The "New" Blackbeard Pirates Discussion Thread.

[modoki]

I know this thread may not be much now, but in the upcoming one piece chapters, it might be necessary. I'm aware there's plenty of threads similar.

Here is what's gathered so far:

Shiryuu: Chief jailer for impel down, and former lvl 6 prisoner due to past prisoner bloodbath. Shiryuu seems to refer to his sword as a living being and speaks to it like Zoro does.

San Juan Wolf: The biggest giant known in one piece so far, the same size as Marine HQ. He seems to have a playful attitude.
(Personal Opinion: I think he may have eaten a devil fruit to allow him to become a battleship to accompany Blackbeard and crew from Impel Down to war-site or to increase body size.)

Catarina Devon: The most dangerous woman in the pirate age before Robin inherited the title later; due to knowledge, personal power, or something else. As of Chapter 576, Catarina is seen wielding a spear-like weapon. She is on the level of ugliness with Lola. Appearance wise, she doesn't seem to be withered down by old age.

Basco Shot: The second largest member in the Blackbeard crew, behind San Juan Wolf. He is a rather bulky sporting a jester cap and a liquor jug. Combat wise, he is seen using a pistol as a form of combat. Although i suspect that is not his main ability, but what a pirate typically uses. Apparently due to his nickname, he is seen chugging down liquor. His name could be referenced to either Tabasco and or Vasco de gama.


Pizarro:
Not much is known about this individual only except appearance wise. A mustache similar to Whitebeard's only upside-down, an animal-like fur coat, barbarian-like armlets and two necklaces. Like Catarina, this criminal does not seem to be distracted by the effects of old age.
(Confirmed: He may be the individual who dug the complete 5.5 floor of Impel down. With his plated hands being "drills", grabbed a fur coat from one of the jailers, and disappeared. This might be possible judging from the single image of his hands crossed and hidden.)

Update 2/2/10: Based on the scans from chapter 576, he is seen attacking whitebeard with drills for hands,or a machine-gun hand (not clear to notice). That confirms the rumor that he is the same individual Ivankov mentioned.

Update 2/6/10: Although his name is mentioned, his eyes and portions of face resemble that of a type of cat. It's really hard to say at this point what this criminal really is as far as devil fruit user goes, but hopefully the upcoming chapters can shed some new light on this.

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[kkck]

How is so much known about catarina devon other than what was said by ivankov?

 

[msg]

Caterina Devon - You would'nt wanna mess with her especially when she's having PMS.Hell has no fury liketh a woman scorned...lolyah i know lame joke.

Anyways i find her sexy.Sexier than that doc kureha or VA tsuru.I wonder what kind of power she have?

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

I don't think San Juan has a Devil Fruit. His nickname Battleship is just given because he is so huge and strong. Because of his size, he can simply carry Blackbeard Pirates through the sea by walking. (assuming in some places the water isn't that deep)
It would be extremely ridiciilous to have a fruit that transforms someone into an object.
What if a human ate it ? That would be a very tiny ship.
That's just his nickname so that's that.

Busco Shot seems to me like a really drunk bashful melee fighter, who just uses power without control.

I'm thinking that Catarina Devon has a fruit that allows her to run very fast. She looks like an agile character, even though she is old now...

The final member has a lot of tribal features, so I'm guessing he is connected to some animal fruit.

 

[Samui]

Impel Down is a massive jail, but it's not big enough to contain such a large prisoner such as San Juan, who is the same size as Marine HQ.
I don't believe there's a Giant bigger than Oars, who is a giant even among Giants. Oars-like Giants are probably the largest ones. I seriously doubt that there is a race of Giants in this insane size like San Juan's. So I'm sure he ate a Devil Fruit.

 

[Organizized]

Since he appeared, I always (possibly wrongfully) assumed San Juan was the same giant as in this page, but considering the size I'm reconsidering. Unless, as some people say, he ate a DF that alters his size but I don't want to go any further into that before we have any other indication of it.

As for Basco Shot... there hasn't been a Drunken Fist-fighter in One Piece yet, has there? It's the best guess I can think of just judging by his appearance/first impression and nickname.

Catarina Devon could be the middle sister of Dr. Kureha and Blackbeard himself..


EDIT:
Oh, and no one mentioned yet the little theory going around that the unknown new member is in fact the tunneler prisoner guy who dug the complete floor 5.5 of Impel Down.

This prisoner was mentioned only two pages earlier than the other prisoners who joined Blackbeard's crew, so it's a possible foreshadowing. It has also been mentioned that his hands look very odd and those things could actually be drills (sorry I can't give credit to who said it since I can't remember), which really seems plausible. He doesn't have a prisoner outfit, but it was said that he created level 5.5 and disappeared a long time ago, so he could have grabbed himself a pimp coat from one of the jailers. or something I don't know.

 

[Fox666]

Blackbeard vs Luffy
Doc Q vs Chopper
Van Auger vs Usopp
Shiryu vs Zoro

Those are very obvious, less obvious:

San Juan Wolf vs Franky - This is not that sure, since a giant fighting Franky is not very likely
Lafitte vs Nami (1), Brook (2) - Both Nami and Lafitte are navigator. The bird-man vs Clima Tact? (1) Lafitte keep dancing, a good match for a musician. (2)
Catarina Devon vs Robin - Both are devil woman =P


What is left for Blackbeard pirates is:
Jesus Burgess, Basco Shot, unknow guy and Stronger (horse). Four members.

On the Strawhats side, Brook (or Nami) and Sanji are left. Two members.

Using this as a reference, the Strawhats would still need one crewmate and one animal. Vivi and Carue? Hancock and Salome? Perona and a new pet?



Also, one note is that the level of strength should be noted:
A: Blackbeard and Shiryu
B: The 3 Impel Down level 6 prisoners + unknow guy
C: 4 old crewmates + Stronger

If you remember Ace fight, you may remember this line of Blackbeard: "Jesus, Auger, stay back! You are no match for him!"

Can you imagine Luffy saying to Zoro and Sanji that they are "no match" for Ace? Ace is stronger than them for sure, but not like that. Is other words, that already reflect that Zoro and Sanji will not fight them.

To list Strawhat pirates level:
A: Luffy, Zoro and Sanji
B: Robin
C: Franky and Brook
D: Chopper (not considering berserk mode), Usopp and Nami
*Note that A in Strawhats ≠ A in Blackbeard pirates.

Using this as a reference, Sanji will fight a level 6 prisoner (he will not fight Jesus Burgess, for example). Robin probably too. Not sure about Franky and Brook, but Nami will be left to Lafitte or Van Auger.



Jesus Burgess is hard to define who will match. Sanji look too tough for him. Franky is a huge guy like him, but doesn't match the theme, Franky is a carpenter and Jesus Burgess a Helmsmen. Anyone gonna try judge the next Strawhat based on Jesus Burgess? A big fishman?

"Colossal Battleship" San Juan Wolf doesn't need explanation.

Basco Shot we know almost nothing. He could be a chef, a musician, whatever...

Catarina Devon is the same. She could be chef, musician... I am being sexist matching Robin to her. Wanna try match her with next strawhat member?

And there is not much to say about the unknow guy. Using as a base the theory that he is the tunneling guy, which Strawhat match him?

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Just as a reference:

 

[Samui]

Ilovefoxes, why do you think that Stronger, Doc Q's horse, will fight independently against another Strawhat and not fight along sides with his owner against Chopper? It doesn't seem like Doc Q can walk without his horse (who is as sick as him, LOL).

 

[Saint Markus]

i see a whole new arc coming, where Luffy will have to defeat BB for the title of "Pirate King". would be awesome and the new crew sounds alright.

 

[Organizized]

@Ilovefoxes: Thanks for that picture/comparison.

I also (very quickly, as you can see) added Oars as he is appropriately compared to regular giants' size in the anime.

Spoiler

Damn, he is a huge son of a-.

 

[Dice]

While Chopper against Doc Q is quite obvious I thought that Chopper might fight the giant while Chopper is in monster point mode. Simply because Chopper is the biggest one of the SH when in this mode and because they seem somewhat similar in their hiding skills

 

[Samui]

While Chopper against Doc Q is quite obvious I thought that Chopper might fight the giant while Chopper is in monster point mode. Simply because Chopper is the biggest one of the SH when in this mode and because they seem somewhat similar in their hiding skills

Chopper may be big in his Monster Point, but he's not even as big as a Giant. He stands no chance against San Juan.

 

[Fox666]

Chopper is around the size of a giant in his monster form. By the way, Chopper in that form is not just big.

 

[Aphalite]

Pretty sure Lafitte will be against Brooke, both of them have lancer type weapons

I don't know that Luffy will pick up anymore crewmates, even though the BB pirates currently outnumber them, I get the feeling that the stragglers from bb the strawhats don't pick up/fight, either their marine allies (smoker, coby, hancock?) will, or it will be a quick KO by Luffy or Zoro before they fight their real opponents (e.g. Luffy vs. Blueno). The final battle will most likely not be full of 1v1s because Oda doesn't like to rehash or do something so predictable, I think most likely we will see grouped/combination fights of some sort with some characters, such as Nami, Franky, Robin, and maybe Chopper?

Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji will definitely have their own fights, and Usopp will supposedly show down with the sniper, but even that won't be a real fight and might be more of a fight of wits and geography, I feel like Nami would be involved somehow

Bottom line, I think the strawhats have enough members, especially since the story is about to take on a darker and more serious tone, and I don't think such an obvious foreshadowing effort by Oda is going to be as it seems (call me skeptical, but Oda has tricked me more times than I can count for me to believe that in the end, # of strawhats will = # of bbs)

 

[chess4]

Since he appeared, I always (possibly wrongfully) assumed San Juan was the same giant as in this page, but considering the size I'm reconsidering. Unless, as some people say, he ate a DF that alters his size but I don't want to go any further into that before we have any other indication of it.

As for Basco Shot... there hasn't been a Drunken Fist-fighter in One Piece yet, has there? It's the best guess I can think of just judging by his appearance/first impression and nickname.

Catarina Devon could be the middle sister of Dr. Kureha and Blackbeard himself..


EDIT:
Oh, and no one mentioned yet the little theory going around that the unknown new member is in fact the tunneler prisoner guy who dug the complete floor 5.5 of Impel Down.

This prisoner was mentioned only two pages earlier than the other prisoners who joined Blackbeard's crew, so it's a possible foreshadowing. It has also been mentioned that his hands look very odd and those things could actually be drills (sorry I can't give credit to who said it since I can't remember), which really seems plausible. He doesn't have a prisoner outfit, but it was said that he created level 5.5 and disappeared a long time ago, so he could have grabbed himself a pimp coat from one of the jailers. or something I don't know.

yes that is him, just look at his arms they look like giant drills. oda usually drops us hints before he introduces a character.

looks like my man frankie will have to turn it up a notch to take him on

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Blackbeard vs Luffy
Doc Q vs Chopper
Van Auger vs Usopp
Shiryu vs Zoro

Those are very obvious, less obvious:

San Juan Wolf vs Franky - This is not that sure, since a giant fighting Franky is not very likely
Lafitte vs Nami (1), Brook (2) - Both Nami and Lafitte are navigator. The bird-man vs Clima Tact? (1) Lafitte keep dancing, a good match for a musician. (2)
Catarina Devon vs Robin - Both are devil woman =P


What is left for Blackbeard pirates is:
Jesus Burgess, Basco Shot, unknow guy and Stronger (horse). Four members.

On the Strawhats side, Brook (or Nami) and Sanji are left. Two members.

Using this as a reference, the Strawhats would still need one crewmate and one animal. Vivi and Carue? Hancock and Salome? Perona and a new pet?



Also, one note is that the level of strength should be noted:
A: Blackbeard and Shiryu
B: The 3 Impel Down level 6 prisoners + unknow guy
C: 4 old crewmates + Stronger

If you remember Ace fight, you may remember this line of Blackbeard: "Jesus, Auger, stay back! You are no match for him!"

Can you imagine Luffy saying to Zoro and Sanji that they are "no match" for Ace? Ace is stronger than them for sure, but not like that. Is other words, that already reflect that Zoro and Sanji will not fight them.

To list Strawhat pirates level:
A: Luffy, Zoro and Sanji
B: Robin
C: Franky and Brook
D: Chopper (not considering berserk mode), Usopp and Nami
*Note that A in Strawhats ≠ A in Blackbeard pirates.

Using this as a reference, Sanji will fight a level 6 prisoner (he will not fight Jesus Burgess, for example). Robin probably too. Not sure about Franky and Brook, but Nami will be left to Lafitte or Van Auger.



Jesus Burgess is hard to define who will match. Sanji look too tough for him. Franky is a huge guy like him, but doesn't match the theme, Franky is a carpenter and Jesus Burgess a Helmsmen. Anyone gonna try judge the next Strawhat based on Jesus Burgess? A big fishman?

"Colossal Battleship" San Juan Wolf doesn't need explanation.

Basco Shot we know almost nothing. He could be a chef, a musician, whatever...

Catarina Devon is the same. She could be chef, musician... I am being sexist matching Robin to her. Wanna try match her with next strawhat member?

And there is not much to say about the unknow guy. Using as a base the theory that he is the tunneling guy, which Strawhat match him?





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Just as a reference:

damn, san juan wolf is huge. if you look at the picture closely u can see the normal giants below. san juan wolf might be bigger than oars jr

 

[modoki]

I don't think San Juan has a Devil Fruit. His nickname Battleship is just given because he is so huge and strong. Because of his size, he can simply carry Blackbeard Pirates through the sea by walking. (assuming in some places the water isn't that deep)
It would be extremely ridiciilous to have a fruit that transforms someone into an object.

Spoiler

He is a fortress or something

 

[Fox666]

Capone insides were probably build. =)

 

[Samui]

damn, san juan wolf is huge. if you look at the picture closely u can see the normal giants below. san juan wolf might be bigger than oars jr

He IS bigger than Oars. Oars is alittle bit bigger than two Giants standing on each other.

 

[Lunatic Scream]

Not every match will have to be a one on one duel. Granted I'll agree that some match ups like Zoro v. Shinryu and obviously Luffy v. Blackbeard are a given, but you have to remember the CP9 arc... Blueno was taken out by Luffy, and Usopp technically didn't face anyone.

 

[Schabrak]

damn, san juan wolf is huge. if you look at the picture closely u can see the normal giants below. san juan wolf might be bigger than oars jr

How about reading the thread to it's end before posting.... just look some posts above yours.^^ Oars is a human compared to Don Juan, but that size may differ, when you look at the last page of the chapter. There it looks like he is at most double s big as Basco Shot.