Discussion The round table in 4KOTA

[Rey151203]

topic to talk about the round table instead of just talking about the chapter topics, how do you think it will be, the members, etc.

 

[Demonspeed]

Well, why would there be one in the first place? Is it supposed to happen before or after Camelot's destruction by the KoAs?

 

[Rey151203]

Well, why would there be one in the first place? Is it supposed to happen before or after Camelot's destruction by the KoAs?

An adaptation of the King Arthur legends without the Round Table is criminal.


Honestly, I'm in favor of keeping Camelot until the end, and with Arthur as a villain, the round table won't be the same.

 

[Vortigern]

My prediction for Nakaba's interpretation of the Round Table is that it will include Arthur and 12 others, all of whom are named after famous Arthurian knights. We've already got Percival, Lancelot, Tristan and Gawain as obvious members, with Gareth and Balin being very strong candidates. Bors and Kay are also options and I expect the former to join but I'm not entirely sure about the latter. I think Kay's magical ship would work well as the HQ of the RT so it's possible that he could choose to become the knights' quartermaster instead of a normal member. Another addition I expect to see is Nanashi, whose real name is still unknown. The -el suffix naming pattern of the goddess clan would leave Lionel as a fitting name for him, especially now that we know Nakaba didn't use the name for any of Lancelot's cousins.

With those characters we've already got either 8 or 9 out of the 12. Given that Gareth was befriended by Percival and that Balin seems to be heading down the same route with Gawain, I expect Lancelot and Tristan to similarly recruit one member each. In Lancelot's case this would hopefully be Matrona's child so that the RT would have some representation from the giant clan, with Lancelot and Tristan representing the other non-human clans as similar hybrids. Tristan's recruit would ideally be a woman so that Gawain is not the only female in the group. That leaves 1 or 2 slots left depending on Kay's role, one of which should be reserved for Mordred.

Well, why would there be one in the first place? Is it supposed to happen before or after Camelot's destruction by the KoAs?

The Round Table is almost guaranteed to show up in the story given how it's such a prominent aspect of the Arthurian legends. That doesn't necessarily mean it has to be similar to the legends and I initially thought the Chaos Knights could have been the Knights of the Round Table due to the meeting they had in that circular room in chapter 6. However, the fact that Nakaba did not use the KotRT as the name of Arthur's current knights strongly suggests that the group is going to be a different faction. A clue to what this faction might be is in the names of the main characters, as the KotA are all named after some of the most famous knights of the RT. Recently some other well-known members like Bors, Kay and Gareth have also appeared, which to me seems like an ongoing project to build up the ranks of the RT.

In theory this group could be separate from Arthur, but I don't think that is going to be the case because of how much Nakaba has been hammering home the idea of Arthur having been corrupted by Chaos. It's been established through the likes of Meliodas, Varghese and Nanashi that the goal of the good guys is not to kill Arthur but merely to make him come back to his senses. This lends itself well to a redemption arc in which Arthur disbands the Chaos Knights and then establishes a benevolent replacement in the form of the RT who serve a now properly rebuilt kingdom of Camelot, one that no longer has to steal land and people from Britannia or wish energy from its citizens. The KotA as the ones who managed to return Arthur to normal would join this new faction to make sure he stays on the right path in the future.

As for what the purpose of the RT would be, going by Guinevere's prophesies we've still got two more timeskips left to go, so they would presumably be involved in combating the antagonists who take Arthur's place after his defeat.

I think you didn't understand what I meant.

let's suppose that the number of knights is 24, 25 with the king, in this case due to the importance of the 4 knights of the prophecy, would they be among the 24 or would they be of a higher rank and 4 of the 24 would be 4 new people? that is my question


but seeing your answer, I think they would be a separate rank from the round table order,

-the king
-four knights of the apocalypse
-24 knights of round table

Or suzuki will only make 20 knights?
I think 24 is better because we already have too many characters.

And I believe that some names like Mordred would be villains, but not just him.

To clarify, I don't believe the KotA will be a separate faction from the RT, they're just going to special cases. That's why I compared them to the Perils who are in a similar position among Arthur's current knights. They have unique titles and can issue orders but they're still Chaos Knights who are called to attend the same meetings. I also doubt the RT is going to have as many members as you suggest. The Ten Commandments were the largest group in the series so far and they had 10 members. Arthur + 24 others is 2.5 times larger than that. You might be tempted to bring up the Chaos Knights or the Liones holy knights as counterexamples, but keep in mind that both of those include a bunch of fodder who had only a few pages of screen time. The RT is an elite group like the Sins, the TC, the Archangels and the KotA, all of which have or had between 4 and 10 members.

Even Arthur + 12 others would make the RT larger than any of those, but it's close enough that I think Nakaba could pull it off. The same can't be said of a group twice that size, which is probably why he has never even attempted building such a massive singular organization before. The closest equivalent I can think of in other manga are the captains and vice captains of the 13 squads in Bleach, so around the same size as your proposed RT in total. They were present in the story for over 600 chapters and many were still lacking development by the end of it. Unless you believe this series is going to be much longer than that then it's simply not realistic to expect a group that large to appear this late into the game. The only tangible reason to expect the RT to have 25 members is that Nakaba once referenced that number in Rising Impact, which is not very strong evidence given that it was a brief mention that happened over 20 years ago.

As you yourself point out, there are already a lot of characters in the series. In my scenario we'd only need 3 or 4 new ones to fill the ranks of the RT. That's easy to achieve and leaves room for other new characters that have to show up at some point as well, such as Morgan, some villains for the RT to fight and a love interest for Gawain. 13 knights is enough and matches the number given in the Didot Perceval, which seems appropriate given that Nakaba chose him as the main character of the story.

 

[Rey151203]

To clarify, I don't believe the KotA will be a separate faction from the RT, they're just going to special cases. That's why I compared them to the Perils who are in a similar position among Arthur's current knights. They have unique titles and can issue orders but they're still Chaos Knights who are called to attend the same meetings. I also doubt the RT is going to have as many members as you suggest. The Ten Commandments were the largest group in the series so far and they had 10 members. Arthur + 24 others is 2.5 times larger than that. You might be tempted to bring up the Chaos Knights or the Liones holy knights as counterexamples, but keep in mind that both of those include a bunch of fodder who had only a few pages of screen time. The RT is an elite group like the Sins, the TC, the Archangels and the KotA, all of which have or had between 4 and 10 members.

Even Arthur + 12 others would make the RT larger than any of those, but it's close enough that I think Nakaba could pull it off. The same can't be said of a group twice that size, which is probably why he has never even attempted building such a massive singular organization before. The closest equivalent I can think of in other manga are the captains and vice captains of the 13 squads in Bleach, so around the same size as your proposed RT in total. They were present in the story for over 600 chapters and many were still lacking development by the end of it. Unless you believe this series is going to be much longer than that then it's simply not realistic to expect a group that large to appear this late into the game. The only tangible reason to expect the RT to have 25 members is that Nakaba once referenced that number in Rising Impact, which is not very strong evidence given that it was a brief mention that happened over 20 years ago.

As you yourself point out, there are already a lot of characters in the series. In my scenario we'd only need 3 or 4 new ones to fill the ranks of the RT. That's easy to achieve and leaves room for other new characters that have to show up at some point as well, such as Morgan, some villains for the RT to fight and a love interest for Gawain. 13 knights is enough and matches the number given in the Didot Perceval, which seems appropriate given that Nakaba chose him as the main character of the story.

I think the series will be bigger, yes, and there are many RT knights to appear and apart from the number of characters, 24 is the most coherent number for me, even if the author doesn't develop them all, it's still better than leaving them abandoned and without a direction in the story.


Many of the original tableau may be villains or not be part of it and would be replaced by characters like Anne and Isolde for example

I already have all 24 in mind, everyone I imagined (most of them have already appeared in the story) is not thrown into the plot and has a great connection between them, I think it's just a matter of knowing how to do it.

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and one thing our RT can have are substitutions, characters dying and others taking their place

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thinking about it, vortigern was right, I wanted 30, but 24 is better, because I included king and diane's children, but after seeing I saw that they would not be part of it, at most tioreh,
even so I still have the 24 in mind

20 + the four knights + the leader

The 20 It could be the platoons, 5 for each 4kota

5×4= 20
20+4= 24
24+1=5

25

 

[Demonspeed]

12 might be doable, we had the 10C but 20? Too much IMO. Honestly it's still hard for me to imagine the RT in this series. There needs an antagonist superior to Arthur when he is the King of Chaos. Plus we have the platoon members who don't share their names of Knights of the RT. Can you imagine Bors becoming more important than Anne, Nasiens, Donny etc?

 

[Rey151203]

12 might be doable, we had the 10C but 20? Too much IMO. Honestly it's still hard for me to imagine the RT in this series. There needs an antagonist superior to Arthur when he is the King of Chaos. Plus we have the platoon members who don't share their names of Knights of the RT. Can you imagine Bors becoming more important than Anne, Nasiens, Donny etc?

donny, anne isolde, chion, nasiens would be part of the round table, with gareth, bors, and possibly balin and the 4kota ofc, we already have 12, There are 13 missing, although there are 3 existing characters I think could be included: Griamore Kid, Rosebank and Edlin, The Reincarnations of Monspeet and Oslo, perhaps one of Prince Percival's biological brother, and more.
With this I already added more 6 possible members,

There is space for many characters, spaces that Nakaba himself created .

Bors doesn't need to be more important, Donny is in the legends but with another name and is also from the round table, Anne and Isolde can be substitutes for villain characters like Kay and Mordred, the one who puts the importance is Nakaba, and yes I believe in the table of 25, I have more points in favor of that.

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12 might be doable, we had the 10C but 20? Too much IMO. Honestly it's still hard for me to imagine the RT in this series. There needs an antagonist superior to Arthur when he is the King of Chaos. Plus we have the platoon members who don't share their names of Knights of the RT. Can you imagine Bors becoming more important than Anne, Nasiens, Donny etc?

we already have 12, and look what I said about the characters that will still appear, it is 100% certain that there will not be 13, the number has already passed

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In Lancelot's case this would hopefully be Matrona's child so that the RT would have some representation from the giant clan,

speaking of him, his name might have something like anne/Angalhad

His name would be Galeholt, as in the legends, but even on Galeholt's own Wikipedia page it says not to confuse his name with Galahad, Galahad who should also appear in the manga (if he hasn't already).

so 90% nakaba can make the name of the matrona kid would be
HOLT
a diminutive or nickname for galeholt

and regarding the numbers I have already argued in previous answers, and I remain firm that there will be 25, 24 excluding the leader, who may not be Arthur, but in fact, Constantine(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_(Briton))