The Three Great Powers!!!

[Hawkeye]

and you guys are probably wrong. Sengoku is the strongest of the marines but probably not in all the WG. I personally think that 5 stars also have some kind of power which led them to that position.

 

[weixiaobao]

Since this tread only 2 pages so read other posts before commenting, so you know what we talking about (hinting *****edit*******, Sorata is agreeing with my previous previous post, which by the way Navid post you are also agreeing with my previous previous post which made you agreeing with Sorata except for the WG=4emperors=7dudes(that where we disagree))

Anyway Liqiud (the only one keeping me in check in every single one piece topic)
Thing could be more than it appear to be. we all know the manga said so, we read them, we eat them, we sleep with them, so we do know that the manga said so (use your imagination like your romantic theme love-love theme).

and you guys are probably wrong. Sengoku is the strongest of the marines but probably not in all the WG. I personally think that 5 stars also have some kind of power which led them to that position.

NO, You wrong, nobody ever said Sengoku is the strongest of the WG.

Sengoku is the strongest of the marines,

And the 5 elder star- the manga was hinting that they out lived their life (they been since the beginning since the lost history or something like that if I am wrong the Liqiud propably correct me, if you don't see his post then I am correct). Other abilities? The manga stated nothing yet so you free to imagined whatever abilities they have.

 

[Liqiud]

I agree with movingstone, I consider someone posting a random opinion in the middle of an actual discussion a spammer. Anyway, so far the Gorōsei(Five Elder Stars) are merely a council of sorts that rule above both Navy and Cipher Pol, guess all you want about how powerful they are but I believe the WG in OP is not Oligarchy(government is ruled only by the strongest). As for Sengoku, he might be powerful and he might not. I personally think anyone with a freaking seagull on their head and a pet goat would have to be extremely powerful or very respected(enough so that no one mentions or makes fun of his weird ass gull n' goat). The same applies for the Gorōsei, they are most likely highly respected and gifted leaders that have no need to be powerful themselves because their fist is the WG itself.

And the 5 elder star- the manga was hinting that they out lived their life (they been since the beginning since the lost history or something like that if I am wrong the Liqiud probably correct me, if you don't see his post then I am correct).

The lost history was a HELLA long time before the current storyline, they would have to be like 200. They are however, obviously from the "seas from back then" era WB mentioned.

 

[jeffhmwong]

Isnt this what a forum suppose to be?

Arent we allowed to post our opinion freely?

Stop critisicing other members post..!!

 

[Navid.]

Since this tread only 2 pages so read other posts before commenting, so you know what we talking about.

I actually read the posts before I decided to make my own post in this thread, I always read at least 4 pages back into any thread i Wish to post in... The only problem was I found all your comments to be of no intrest to me:


Let me explain why:

So my thought is that if Jimbei was not a member of 7 warlords, then can he be at the level of the 4 emperors.

First you are asuming the strenght of someone that we havent even met, much less seen fight, then you go on to imply that because hes a member of the Shichibukai he becomes weaker???

Then you go on for a couple of posts about how you belive that Crocodile is one of the strongest people on the grandline:

No my agruement was Crocodile is one of the stronger one in the Grandline

And then you go on to talk about the three great power, and i quote:

And about the yonko = 7 warlords = navy, I already argue my point somewhere earlier, and it was a heated debate I don't want to go through it again.

right now the world gov+ navy + nation island alliances + 7 warlords > Yonkou

but then after one argument from Liqiud you change your whole opinion and consider the three powers equal again...

So far I havent seen anything other than speculation (Jinbei being as strong as a yonkou, and crocodile being one of the strongest on the grand line), and half-researched opinions, that you throw away at the slightest opposition...


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Navid, Sorata is agreeing with my previous previous post, which by the way Navid post you are also agreeing with my previous previous post which made you agreeing with Sorata except for the WG=4emperors=7dudes(that where we disagree)

I dont know what YOU read within "Sorata's" post but I can tell you that he wasnt aggreeing with you, (and for the life of me I cant figure out your logic of how my post agrees with "Sorata's" post..) I shall again explain...


After a lot of changed opinion you finnaly concluded to agree with "Liqiud" on that the Yonkou = Shichibukai = WG.

Sorata in his post said:

I agree with movingstone, the Yonkou are a bit stronge than the Marines and the Shichibukai...

Now tell me how that is agreeing with you, even though he says hes agreeing with you (poor guy must have gotten confused after you changed your mind once to many.

World Gov, different islands nations alliances, navy- made an alliances with 7 warlords constantly battle against different faction of pirates, Yonkou, and rebellions + revolutionary, they also have to look out for the 7 warlords (since the 7 warlords are not that nice guys either)

7 warlords- made an alliances with the world gov, but they have their own plans in mind and not give too much of a damn on the world gov, works seperately with each others (7)

Yonkou- rule over the latter half of the grandline, work seperately with each others (4)

This is a quote directly from you (movingstone) about your views on the three great powers... here you clearly state that the Shichibukai work seperately from each other...

Sorata in his post said:

because the four don´t act together, they are pirates, not an organizaton called Yonkou(like the marines and the Shichibukai), Yonkou is just a tittle nothing more.

If you still dont understand, it means that the Shichibukai and Marines are organizations that unlike the Yonkou act together...

Now be so kind to tell me how does that agree with your (and how on earth you managed to convince yourself that I was agreeing with that?) post again????

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As for me being a spammer, I have just proved that my post was as far as being spam as it could be and i have to say that I love the fact that "Liquid" first posts a reply to my post agreeing with all my opinions, and then turns around and agrees with "movingstone" and suddenly I am, and i qoute for the last time:

someone posting a random opinion in the middle of an actual discussion

All I have to close with is ROLF, LOL and OH MY GOD...
(please read this post carefully three times over before replying to it... )

 

[Liqiud]

As for me being a spammer, I have just proved that my post was as far as being spam as it could be and i have to say that I love the fact that "Liquid" first posts a reply to my post agreeing with all my opinions, and then turns around and agrees with "movingstone" and suddenly I am, and i qoute for the last time:


All I have to close with is ROLF, LOL and OH MY GOD...
(please read this post carefully three times over before replying to it... )

Eheh, stop calling me "Liqiud"

And as for the spammer comment. How in the hell did you assume it was pertaining to you? (you spelled 'quote' wrong btw)


I'll break it down a bit --

I) "Hawkeye" posted a random half assed opinion calling me wrong and stating something that would probably make the WG majorly overshadow the other 2 great powers.

II) movingstone posted:

Since this tread only 2 pages so read other posts before commenting, so you know what we talking about

Which was obviously directed at "Hawkeye." Followed by a 'He said, She said, He stated.' statement that I completely ignored and then something about the Five Elder Stars being from the void century.

III) I stated my opinion on people blurting random things out in the middle of a discussion (A DISCUSSION IN WHICH YOU WERE INVOLVED). And continued with a bit on the Gorōsei and it being highly unlikely they were from the void century.

IV) You dissagreed with a hella amount of movingstone's comments, called yourself a spammer, and said I agreed with movingstone in that you were a spammer for a reason completely unbeknownced to me.

Either you are very insecure, or you highly misinterpreted what movingstone and I(or at least I) stated. Feel free to 'ROFL' again so we can get back on topic.

 

[weixiaobao]

Oh my gosh, I cause a war. (bad movingstone, bad movingstone, I didn't meant to offended nobody)

anyway: the way I post ussually included all posibility since if the manga is vague about it we could not said this one possibility is it, you know, that how "liqiud ussually is (and fun to agrue against" lol)

Isnt this what a forum suppose to be?

Arent we allowed to post our opinion freely?

Stop critisicing other members post..!!

If you addressing me, I'm sorry. Wait I didn't critizied your post, I didn't see your post anywhere except for Haweye come out saying "you all wrong", cccccccc, I must say something)

On to Navid:

1st- since we haven't meet someone, we can assume something, if we see him already, we can't assume anything. (that was just a thought)

2nd- I don't want to agrue with Liqiud since he always want to be a fittest of suvival of agrument, I never win against agruing with him, so just let him have his way. But I still keep my opinion.

3rd- Im not changing my mind, just trying to accept other possibility

4th- WG an organization and Yonkou (till shank and WB) is not working together before, the 7 warlord work for WG but also have something out in mind.

5th- Navid free to post, Oh yeah Sorata agreeing with my logia DF user thing. Not working together i meant- like Buggy and Black Cat Pirate (have nothing to do with each other) for an example. So what if Aojiki follow his own justice, he still defend the WG if he have to.

7th- I did hint at Navid.- I did say the 7 guys work seperately, marines working on the team, and "Aojiki work seperately" (not much of an impact)

6th-

except for the WG=4emperors=7dudes(that where we disagree))

Again sorry, and i did think I didn't read your post carefully.

And come on not more bloodshed between One Piece fan which I started this blood shed.

 

[Navid.]

Eheh, stop calling me "Liqiud"

And as for the spammer comment. How in the hell did you assume it was pertaining to you? (you spelled 'quote' wrong btw)


I'll break it down a bit --

I) "Hawkeye" posted a random half assed opinion calling me wrong and stating something that would probably make the WG majorly overshadow the other 2 great powers.

II) movingstone posted: Which was obviously directed at "Hawkeye." Followed by a 'He said, She said, He stated.' statement that I completely ignored and then something about the Five Elder Stars being from the void century.

Since this tread only 2 pages so read other posts before commenting, so you know what we talking about (hinting *****edit*******, Sorata is agreeing with my previous previous post, which by the way Navid post you are also agreeing with my previous previous post which made you agreeing with Sorata except for the WG=4emperors=7dudes(that where we disagree))

This is what "movingstone" posted, my name appeared where it now says eddited, as you can see the sentence wich refered to the spammer ended with hinting and then Navid., then a comma... so i obviously thought he was refering to me... As i know now it wasnt... so Im really sorry for the misunderstanding... (and for spelling quote wrong once in the entire post )

IV) You dissagreed with a hella amount of movingstone's comments, called yourself a spammer, and said I agreed with movingstone in that you were a spammer for a reason completely unbeknownced to me.

I dont understand what you mean, in fact i was agreeing with movingstone on that the shichibukai work seprateley, and many other things... what I had a problem with was that "movingstone" said because I agreed with his post i was agreeing with "Sorata's" post... which I was not...

Either you are very insecure, or you highly misinterpreted what movingstone and I(or at least I) stated. Feel free to 'ROFL' again so we can get back on topic.

Well as it turns out it seems it was all caused by a silly misunderstanding (altough me being very insecure is still being investigated into ) and ... ROLF.

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1st- since we haven't meet someone, we can assume something, if we see him already, we can't assume anything. (that was just a thought)

I can agree with that, I guess I just like to get some background on how you came to that assumption... or else it feels more like guesswork rather than making a assumption.

I don't want to agrue with Liqiud since he always want to be a fittest of suvival of agrument, I never win against agruing with him, so just let him have his way. But I still keep my opinion.

I would say if you belive in somthing dont just give up on your views just because someone disagrees with you... , your entitled to your opinion like anyone else on this board... if anything just agree to disagree.

3rd- Im not changing my mind, just trying to accept other possibility

Well when you accept someone elses view, in this case that the Shichibukai = Yonkou = WG, that means that you have changed your view... if that wasn't what you meant... then ok. So do you still belive that Shichibukai WG < Yonkou ??

4th- WG an organization and Yonkou (till shank and WB) is not working together before, the 7 warlord work for WG but also have something out in mind.

This I would find interesting to discuss with you, I have always belived that the Shichibukai dont work for the WG, but rather "get along with them... but you are saying that you belive that the Shicibukai work for the WG... care to shed more light on why you think so?

7th- I did hint at Navid.- I did say the 7 guys work seperately, marines working on the team, and "Aojiki work seperately" (not much of an impact)

This is where I was agreeing with you but not with Sorata, who was saying that the Shichibukai and WG where like an organization compared to the Yonkou.

And come on not more bloodshed between One Piece fan which I started this blood shed.

Agreed



Edit: yeah, sorry about only posting the quote first... something went wrong with explorer.

That has nothing to do with what this thread or our debate is talking about. My suggestion, start a new thread. You spelled Shichibukai and opinion wronf btw.

Lol you just spelt wrong wrong

 

[mugen]

well I think that Blackbeard can not be one of the Shichubukai simply cuz he does'nt have an Animal theme.
And do you all think the other Shichubukai who have yet to be introduced have somewhat high bounties or lower bounties than those already shown.
Anyways my opinoin is that Hawkeye is the strongest of them and I want to see his old Flag and how Whitebeard knows him.

 

[Liqiud]

I dont understand what you mean, in fact i was agreeing with movingstone on that the shichibukai work seprateley, and many other things... what I had a problem with was that "movingstone" said because I agreed with his post i was agreeing with "Sorata's" post... which I was not...

I was summarizing your previous post...and I'm the one that said the Shichibukai work separately(you spelled it wrong btw)...

Well when you accept someone elses view, in this case that the Shichibukai = Yonkou = WG, that means that you have changed your view... if that wasn't what you meant... then ok. So do you still belive that Shichibukai WG < Yonkou ??

I dont understand what you mean, in fact i was agreeing with movingstone on that the shichibukai work seprateley, and many other things... what I had a problem with was that "movingstone" said because I agreed with his post i was agreeing with "Sorata's" post... which I was not...

I was summarizing your previous post...and I'm the one that said the Shichibukai work separately(you spelled it wrong btw)...

Well when you accept someone elses view, in this case that the Shichibukai = Yonkou = WG, that means that you have changed your view... if that wasn't what you meant... then ok. So do you still belive that Shichibukai WG < Yonkou ??

Believe he still has the same mentality about the 3 great powers...

This I would find interesting to discuss with you, I have always belived that the Shichibukai dont work for the WG, but rather "get along with them... but you are saying that you belive that the Shicibukai work for the WG... care to shed more light on why you think so? .

The Shichibukai are a completely different organisation from the WG but have a loose alliance/deal with them. So far the deal consists of: The Shichibukai intemidating other pirates so they don't get to brazen and attending a meeting VERY sparsely; apparently in return they have their bounties dropped. Also, if they were working for the WG it would be the 2 geat powers


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well I think that Blackbeard can not be one of the Shichubukai simply cuz he does'nt have an Animal theme.
And do you all think the other Shichubukai who have yet to be introduced have somewhat high bounties or lower bounties than those already shown.
Anyways my opinoin is that Hawkeye is the strongest of them and I want to see his old Flag and how Whitebeard knows him.

That has nothing to do with what this thread or our debate is talking about. My suggestion, start a new thread. You spelled Shichibukai and opinion wronf btw. he still has the same mentality about the 3 great powers...

This I would find interesting to discuss with you, I have always belived that the Shichibukai dont work for the WG, but rather "get along with them... but you are saying that you belive that the Shicibukai work for the WG... care to shed more light on why you think so? .

The Shichibukai are a completely different organisation from the WG but have a loose alliance/deal with them. So far the deal consists of: The Shichibukai intemidating other pirates so they don't get to brazen and attending a meeting VERY sparsely; apparently in return they have their bounties dropped. Also, if they were working for the WG it would be the 2 geat powers


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well I think that Blackbeard can not be one of the Shichubukai simply cuz he does'nt have an Animal theme.
And do you all think the other Shichubukai who have yet to be introduced have somewhat high bounties or lower bounties than those already shown.
Anyways my opinoin is that Hawkeye is the strongest of them and I want to see his old Flag and how Whitebeard knows him.

That has nothing to do with what this thread or our debate is talking about. My suggestion, start a new thread. You spelled Shichibukai and opinion wronf btw.

 

[Hawkeye]

Liquid forgive my rudeness for before but my previous post was linked in to your comment in no way related to you and was aimed toward the person who made this thread for forgetting the add the 5 stars to the list and it was mere coincidence that your post was above mine

 

[weixiaobao]

That has nothing to do with what this thread or our debate is talking about. My suggestion, start a new thread. You spelled Shichibukai and opinion wronf btw.

Accually the 7warlords in one of the great 3 power. Not that I trying to pick on you Liqiud. Anyway, you have such strong right and wrong sense (be more passive like me) (don't listening to movingstone be your self)

well I think that Blackbeard can not be one of the Shichubukai simply cuz he does'nt have an Animal theme.
And do you all think the other Shichubukai who have yet to be introduced have somewhat high bounties or lower bounties than those already shown.
Anyways my opinoin is that Hawkeye is the strongest of them and I want to see his old Flag and how Whitebeard knows him.

1st- Yes you may be right about Black Beard not joined 7 warlords group but we haven't see all of the members so far so some of them may not have an animal theme. I think BB resemble a hippo.

2nd- Maybe the ones haven't introduced have higher bounty, but we don't really know Hawkeyes bounty, and ussually other manga introduced the badest ass last, but this is one piece so there maybe surprises.

3rd- I guess maybe Hawkeyes also a former member of Gold Roger, but probably not WBeard's crew.
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Oh yeah, Mugen, we are trying to discuss how the three powers work. As it seem this is such a heated debate (and a very controlversal one that is why Sorata (the one who started thread) have not even want to post anymore (guess). Since I am not a mod, I say free to post any thing related to the 3 powers.

Love your fellows One Piece fans. And Pirates are much cooler than Ninjas plus Shinigamis.

 

[mugen]

Thanks Movingstone for being my lawyer anyways why so many many Instigaters on this thread?
They need to chill or watch some ******

But on TOpic now why is it I fell we've might have of the Seven Warlords be a D.
And should'nt Dragon be there I mean he is the most wamted man.

 

[weixiaobao]

Thanks Movingstone for being my lawyer anyways why so many many Instigaters on this thread?
They need to chill or watch some ******

But on TOpic now why is it I fell we've might have of the Seven Warlords be a D.
And should'nt Dragon be there I mean he is the most wamted man.

The thing by working for the gov, the 7 warlords no longer seen as a threat to the gov. But some how Dragon challenge the gov directly. So even if the gov want him in their side, he probably refused. Like Luffy and the strawhat will probably never joined the gov.

PS. ****** are fun.

 

[mugen]

yeah I know that's why Dragon is the most wanted Man
and about starting a new topic on Dragon I think you should start one.

 

[weixiaobao]

and about starting a new topic on Dragon I think you should start one.

I predicting, there will be not much discussion but assumption and guesses.

 

[mugen]

I predicting, there will be not much discussion but assumption and guesses.

True I mean there's not much about them like are they like a crew or do they work solo

 

[weixiaobao]

Ok, here a new topic to dicuss about the 3 great powers Aojiki vs. Ace (who stronger)
2nd what would the world gov do to fill in the vacancy of Crocodile
3rd Could BBeard's ambition threaten the world gov
4th Where have Smoker gone?
5th If Enel ever returned from the moon, should he took control of the world.
6th I don't think luffy care about the great power
7th The origin of World Gov
8th World Gov and Lost history
9th Who caught Gold Roger (in the marines)
10th What did Gold Roger found out about the WG.

here is some good topic for discussion.

 

[mugen]

Yes all those are great to discuss you should start a topic out of that ASAP

 

[SandMan]

Ok, here a new topic to dicuss about the 3 great powers Aojiki vs. Ace (who stronger)
2nd what would the world gov do to fill in the vacancy of Crocodile
3rd Could BBeard's ambition threaten the world gov
4th Where have Smoker gone?
5th If Enel ever returned from the moon, should he took control of the world.
6th I don't think luffy care about the great power
7th The origin of World Gov
8th World Gov and Lost history
9th Who caught Gold Roger (in the marines)
10th What did Gold Roger found out about the WG.

here is some good topic for discussion.

1. Both Logia fruit users. We can't know for sure until the two face-off, but to make a simple assumption, fire burns ice so Ace goes away with the victory.

2. We know they are finding a replacement. Whether it will be Blackbeard, a new character or someone we already know remains to be seen. But since we now know Blackbeard is pretty strong (capable of giving Shanks that scar), so having him in the shichibukai would imbalance the powers.

3. What is his ambition exactly? Sorry, I can't exactly remember every detail of One Piece like u guys.

4. Kept quiet after the Crocodile arc. Does not think that the Strawhats are the "bad guys", but might continue pursuing them as he is still a marine.

5. I seriously doubt him coming back. Besides, Luffy beat him, and there are many characters stronger than Luffy.

6. What great power? The Shichibukai/Yonkou/World Govt.? Nah, he's just concerned with being the next Pirate King. If they get in his way, he'll just try to kick their asses.

7. Too blurry to make an assumption right now. I can't make something up because a particular One Piece fanatic will say that opinions are stupid and drown my post with facts and statistics he gleefully remembers from the manga. Then he'll search my post for spelling errors and point them out.

8. Again, too blurry at this point. We don't know the exact "lost history" to discuss it.

9. Sengoku probably, with much help.

10. Found out about what the WG did, causing the Govt. to panic and finally catch him.