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Massive wall of text incoming. Theories, thoughts, predictions.
First of all there is a very important rule, as stated by Terry Goodkind in his Sword of Truth series’ first book – Wizard’s First Rule (IF you didn’t read this series you missing out big time). First rule for a reason. Because it’s the most important.
The rule is this: People are stupid. People will believe lies either because they THINK it is true or because they are AFRAID it is true.
No one is immune to it. If you think you are, you are stupid . This rule means to contest the “truth” as is presented to you until nothing but facts, HARD reality based facts (is what fact means…) are left and so the TRUTH can be revealed.
So how does this apply to HxH. (Theory) In the Nen “rules” themselves. Where are this “rules” stored? How are they “enforced”? The obvious answer….. nowhere. Nowhere, that is, but the nen user own mind.
This nen rules are a massive self-hypnosis in which according to a price you get a reward. The rules can be set consciously (Kurapika) or unconsciously (Gon) (Basically powerful emotions can generate rules as a means of increased your chances to achieve whatever brought about that emotion).
Everything in in reality has rules, has drawbacks. The usual drawback (price) is that in order to do anything, even think, you need an expenditure of energy. Big or small it must exist. The rule it implies is that you can’t gain something from nothing. In the case of a nen rule what/who/how decides if the price is the right one? No doubt we all agree a price must be paid, but the deciding is left purely and solely to the rule maker, and to what he BELIEVES is enough.
In this case characters like Kurapika and Gon set ridiculously high prices for what they achieved, simply because of the common belief/”knowledge” about the rules of Nen. They did this because they feared what setting a low/lower price would entail. Which is perfectly understandable given how hard it is to judge and the lack of background on low price/high reward rules translate to reality. (Probably not well).
I think that in the HxH universe when a person realizes this, realizes their BELIEFS power what they can achieve, they instantly transform into a specialist. I can’t decide if they transform in addiction to whatever type they were or instead (I’m leaning towards the addictive ). These self-made Specialists are much more powerful than a “normal” specialist because based on their will, according to their necessities, they can change/create/delete rules to fit their purposes/situation and so overcome seemingly impossible odds.
Imagine when facing an opponent faster than you, you set the rule “I dodge every attack he makes but I can’t attack/hurt him” and then mid fight when there’s a moment of opportunity you change the rule to “you can’t dodge nor block my attack but I the reverse is also true”. Then if the opponent is also of your “caliber” it becomes a battle of wills (Yes like Toriko), AND/OR who sets the lowest price for a highest outcome, basically the efficiency of their beliefs. This leads to a new skill of greatest importance. The skill to GOUGE the correct (lowest/riskless) price for an intended reward.
I believe this is the case for Don Freecs group. Yes I think there are several people. In “reality” no one can achieve everything and so they need help. In this case from likeminded and also “true” specialist people, In order to overcome the challenges the Dark Continent presents. Don’s “ generation” probably had a collection of people that achieved true specialist states and then all of them deciding on venturing to the DC, leaving nothing written about it or someone to spread the knowledge. Although they returned 300 years ago, for a short time, to publish a “fiction” book and probably drop off an unnamed Freecs at the local child support facility .
Like discovering nen or it being taught to you, there are differences between the “finders” and the “receivers” of this very important knowledge. Probably the first “true” specialist was a “natural” finder because he/she had no preconceived notions nor knowledge of any kind and had to find things the hard way. By testing possibilities. That being said every person has different levels of will power and will power potential so AGAIN like finding nen alone or not, the important is the potential. The Skill GOUGING would also be of supreme importance.
I predict (or hope for) this outcome:
Ging sends Gon a copy of the “Traveler’s log: East edition” and writes a note at the end of the book. It reads “the author of this book is Don Freecs and the West edition is still being written…”. Gon reads the book and gets an overwhelming sense of wonder and an exploration/challenge frenzy. He knows without nen he isn’t going anywhere. From one moment to the next, all he thought was true, all he believes, changes, and like a lock being blown to pieces is mind is set free. Aura flows massively as Gon realizes it’s not the same as before. That HE is not the same. He is a specialist and what he believes powers who is he.
P.S: He had noted (or searched) the book was 300 years old and knew the DC was real because of the news/media.
I totally understand if you think it’s a shitty way to get Gon back. BUT I just had to think of a way other than the very likely outcome:
Maybe travel arc?
Time skip after arrival to years later (when Gon is “ready”) and part of the group came back to report/resupply/recruit in which we see in retrospect Gon’s training under Bisky or Kite and the events of the journey till now and the set off again to the DC.
Given my WILL of this not happening this way, all this occurred to me , simply because I just can’t see/picture/imagine Gon not going NOW to the DC. Gon is the main character although we all know HxH is very far from the normal shonen stereotypes and thank GOD for that. By the way God to me is the collective conscious of sentient beings, you didn’t seriously believe me a “believer” after ALL THIS did you? .
I also think these “true” Specialists are immune to the “Memory Overload” phenomenon and so have a combat or at least useful skill of every hatsu kind. Now imagine this and Specialist and “former” type being addictive AMAUGAD (100% power for all Hatsus). That’s why the addictive may be a little farfetched.
So a batlle on HxH could potentially be fought on many levels nen quantity, nen skill, number of battle ready/useful hatsus (having the best one versus your opponent or the least drawbacks), will power and GOUGING skill. This is just how stupid complex a fight could become in this amazing manga THINK ON THAT .
Ok rereading what I wrote you may be confused as to how will power and GOUGING interact. I see three possibilities. First and simpler will power is like fuel to be spent on making/changing rules (like nen aura being spent on nen skills) OR second, and A LOT more interesting, it sets the balance between how disproportionate the price can be compared to an outcome, or Third, and obvious one, how likely is your rule to overpower an enemy rule for the SAME level of price paid. This last one is probably the more complex one given YET another interaction, between will and price, would exist. Probably real outcome = Price x Will Power, so a less willed dude could still beat an overconfident (lower price) willed dude for the same outcome. Could beat in other, more imaginative, ways, like unexpected rules with no counter rule and so victory can be achieved in any number of scenarios.
Now imagine will power in constant shift during the battle, you GOUGING your rules, WHILE trying to figure out the rules the opponent is setting in place AND trying to guess its price, WHILE estimating your will power AND trying to measure his WHILE channeling aura though your body in the right quantity to the right place AND judging how much aura the enemy has/where ….. Just LOL. Characters are already reticent about fighting as is, with this added no one would fight ever lol.
So comment on my theories, predictions, more layered combat system or call me a NERD whichever is fine. I just wanted to share.
Massive wall of text incoming. Theories, thoughts, predictions.
First of all there is a very important rule, as stated by Terry Goodkind in his Sword of Truth series’ first book – Wizard’s First Rule (IF you didn’t read this series you missing out big time). First rule for a reason. Because it’s the most important.
The rule is this: People are stupid. People will believe lies either because they THINK it is true or because they are AFRAID it is true.
No one is immune to it. If you think you are, you are stupid . This rule means to contest the “truth” as is presented to you until nothing but facts, HARD reality based facts (is what fact means…) are left and so the TRUTH can be revealed.
So how does this apply to HxH. (Theory) In the Nen “rules” themselves. Where are this “rules” stored? How are they “enforced”? The obvious answer….. nowhere. Nowhere, that is, but the nen user own mind.
This nen rules are a massive self-hypnosis in which according to a price you get a reward. The rules can be set consciously (Kurapika) or unconsciously (Gon) (Basically powerful emotions can generate rules as a means of increased your chances to achieve whatever brought about that emotion).
Everything in in reality has rules, has drawbacks. The usual drawback (price) is that in order to do anything, even think, you need an expenditure of energy. Big or small it must exist. The rule it implies is that you can’t gain something from nothing. In the case of a nen rule what/who/how decides if the price is the right one? No doubt we all agree a price must be paid, but the deciding is left purely and solely to the rule maker, and to what he BELIEVES is enough.
In this case characters like Kurapika and Gon set ridiculously high prices for what they achieved, simply because of the common belief/”knowledge” about the rules of Nen. They did this because they feared what setting a low/lower price would entail. Which is perfectly understandable given how hard it is to judge and the lack of background on low price/high reward rules translate to reality. (Probably not well).
I think that in the HxH universe when a person realizes this, realizes their BELIEFS power what they can achieve, they instantly transform into a specialist. I can’t decide if they transform in addiction to whatever type they were or instead (I’m leaning towards the addictive ). These self-made Specialists are much more powerful than a “normal” specialist because based on their will, according to their necessities, they can change/create/delete rules to fit their purposes/situation and so overcome seemingly impossible odds.
Imagine when facing an opponent faster than you, you set the rule “I dodge every attack he makes but I can’t attack/hurt him” and then mid fight when there’s a moment of opportunity you change the rule to “you can’t dodge nor block my attack but I the reverse is also true”. Then if the opponent is also of your “caliber” it becomes a battle of wills (Yes like Toriko), AND/OR who sets the lowest price for a highest outcome, basically the efficiency of their beliefs. This leads to a new skill of greatest importance. The skill to GOUGE the correct (lowest/riskless) price for an intended reward.
I believe this is the case for Don Freecs group. Yes I think there are several people. In “reality” no one can achieve everything and so they need help. In this case from likeminded and also “true” specialist people, In order to overcome the challenges the Dark Continent presents. Don’s “ generation” probably had a collection of people that achieved true specialist states and then all of them deciding on venturing to the DC, leaving nothing written about it or someone to spread the knowledge. Although they returned 300 years ago, for a short time, to publish a “fiction” book and probably drop off an unnamed Freecs at the local child support facility .
Like discovering nen or it being taught to you, there are differences between the “finders” and the “receivers” of this very important knowledge. Probably the first “true” specialist was a “natural” finder because he/she had no preconceived notions nor knowledge of any kind and had to find things the hard way. By testing possibilities. That being said every person has different levels of will power and will power potential so AGAIN like finding nen alone or not, the important is the potential. The Skill GOUGING would also be of supreme importance.
I predict (or hope for) this outcome:
Ging sends Gon a copy of the “Traveler’s log: East edition” and writes a note at the end of the book. It reads “the author of this book is Don Freecs and the West edition is still being written…”. Gon reads the book and gets an overwhelming sense of wonder and an exploration/challenge frenzy. He knows without nen he isn’t going anywhere. From one moment to the next, all he thought was true, all he believes, changes, and like a lock being blown to pieces is mind is set free. Aura flows massively as Gon realizes it’s not the same as before. That HE is not the same. He is a specialist and what he believes powers who is he.
P.S: He had noted (or searched) the book was 300 years old and knew the DC was real because of the news/media.
I totally understand if you think it’s a shitty way to get Gon back. BUT I just had to think of a way other than the very likely outcome:
Maybe travel arc?
Time skip after arrival to years later (when Gon is “ready”) and part of the group came back to report/resupply/recruit in which we see in retrospect Gon’s training under Bisky or Kite and the events of the journey till now and the set off again to the DC.
Given my WILL of this not happening this way, all this occurred to me , simply because I just can’t see/picture/imagine Gon not going NOW to the DC. Gon is the main character although we all know HxH is very far from the normal shonen stereotypes and thank GOD for that. By the way God to me is the collective conscious of sentient beings, you didn’t seriously believe me a “believer” after ALL THIS did you? .
I also think these “true” Specialists are immune to the “Memory Overload” phenomenon and so have a combat or at least useful skill of every hatsu kind. Now imagine this and Specialist and “former” type being addictive AMAUGAD (100% power for all Hatsus). That’s why the addictive may be a little farfetched.
So a batlle on HxH could potentially be fought on many levels nen quantity, nen skill, number of battle ready/useful hatsus (having the best one versus your opponent or the least drawbacks), will power and GOUGING skill. This is just how stupid complex a fight could become in this amazing manga THINK ON THAT .
Ok rereading what I wrote you may be confused as to how will power and GOUGING interact. I see three possibilities. First and simpler will power is like fuel to be spent on making/changing rules (like nen aura being spent on nen skills) OR second, and A LOT more interesting, it sets the balance between how disproportionate the price can be compared to an outcome, or Third, and obvious one, how likely is your rule to overpower an enemy rule for the SAME level of price paid. This last one is probably the more complex one given YET another interaction, between will and price, would exist. Probably real outcome = Price x Will Power, so a less willed dude could still beat an overconfident (lower price) willed dude for the same outcome. Could beat in other, more imaginative, ways, like unexpected rules with no counter rule and so victory can be achieved in any number of scenarios.
Now imagine will power in constant shift during the battle, you GOUGING your rules, WHILE trying to figure out the rules the opponent is setting in place AND trying to guess its price, WHILE estimating your will power AND trying to measure his WHILE channeling aura though your body in the right quantity to the right place AND judging how much aura the enemy has/where ….. Just LOL. Characters are already reticent about fighting as is, with this added no one would fight ever lol.
So comment on my theories, predictions, more layered combat system or call me a NERD whichever is fine. I just wanted to share.