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[Kiki]

FAIRY TAIL FIGHTING TOURNAMENT 2021 - FINAL RESULTS

WINNER

NATSU DRAGNEEL

2ND PLACE

SUZAKU

3RD PLACE

GILDARTS CLIVE

BEST DEBATER AWARD

WINNER

@grey matter

CONGRATULATIONS!!


SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN IN 2022!!!

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[Kiki]

Round of 17 Part 2 begins!

Tournament's status:

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[Kiki]

speaking of Natsu, does Natsu have his Wolverine healing ability he uses once in the blue moon when Hiro thinks it's cool???

when was that again? I honestly don't remember lol

 

[Demon Hunter]

when was that again? I honestly don't remember lol

against Aldoron.

he was impaled so hard all over the body it went through him but then he healed immediately.

wasn't even in DF when he did that.

 

[Kiki]

against Aldoron.

he was impaled so hard all over the body it went through him but then he healed immediately.

wasn't even in DF when he did that.

chapter 61-62? I don't think that was healing ability tbh. No mention from God Seed Aldoron. Natsu was just burning the thorns and enduring the pain. The wounds were still visible.

 

[Demon Hunter]

chapter 61-62? I don't think that was healing ability tbh. No mention from God Seed Aldoron. Natsu was just burning the thorns and enduring the pain. The wounds were still visible.

there were no holes on his body except scratches and some spikes were big, not to mention they went out on the other side of his body.

no scars either.

pretty sure he healed.

or maybe I'm looking too much for something Hiro doesn't even care about

he did the same thing against Animus.

 

[Kiki]

there were no holes on his body except scratches and some spikes were big, not to mention they went out on the other side of his body.

no scars either.

pretty sure he healed.

or maybe I'm looking too much for something Hiro doesn't even care about

he did the same thing against Animus.

checked again, there's hole on his knee and left feet, and it didnt heal. as for the movie thing, I havent watched it yet lol. was it his own ability or from outside? if it is the latter then it's restricted.

personally I am not worried about healing ability tbh. Natsu is not immortal unlike Zeref. Even healing ability needs MP and is exhausting. Look at Sherria's.

 

[Demon Hunter]

checked again, there's hole on his knee and left feet, and it didnt heal. as for the movie thing, I havent watched it yet lol. was it his own ability or from outside? if it is the latter then it's restricted.

personally I am not worried about healing ability tbh. Natsu is not immortal unlike Zeref. Even healing ability needs MP and is exhausting. Look at Sherria's.

it seems more like small amount of blood covering a wound rather than hole since he would lose tons of blood (not to mention other dozens of holes he should have) but yeah, you're right.

doesn't really matter in the long run.

in the movie, he gained typical PoF or something and stomped him after he was impaled.

 

[Hexbend]

No way they did Sting dirty like that...

 

[grey matter]

Well we wouldn't have to worry about Erza/Jellal discussions any longer, cause next they're against Suzaku LMFAO

I wonder how far featless Jellal will go with so many feats on his back.

I want him to go up against DF Natsu.
he is clearly portrayed to be above DF Natsu during ToH and nothing contradicts that in the present cause of that hYpE PoRtRaYaL
@Ramen @Jko ready to see the bluehaired GOAT having 15 - 20 votes against DF Natsu or Suzaku

speaking of Natsu, does Natsu have his Wolverine healing ability he uses once in the blue moon when Hiro thinks it's cool??? @Kiki @Axiomus @Brandish μ

Is there any reason we shouldn't take portrayal into account in absence of feats or when feats don't contradict?
Current DF Natsu has the portrayal to no diff him, so not sure what you're getting at lol.

Anyway, not like it matters, both of them are getting no diff'd next stage by Suzaku

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chapter 61-62? I don't think that was healing ability tbh. No mention from God Seed Aldoron. Natsu was just burning the thorns and enduring the pain. The wounds were still visible.

Yea he healed. Or else he would have countless holes all over his body.

He also healed against Animus when he went to DF, Animus made a huge hole which encompassed his chest and stomach areas, yet all that disappeared when he went dragon force

 

[Nemispelled]

You don't realize how many people vote just for their favorites/strongest, not by actual feats or logic. So no, Natsu and Gildarts won't get any challenge here.

Actually, I do realize that many people just vote for whoever they want...

That's why in my first post on this thread, I literally said that people are just voting for underdogs and their most/least favorite characters instead of actually giving it to the character who deserves it.

Yeah, no one clearly knows who will win - Natsu or Suzaku xd insanely unpredictable outcome

Natsu and Suzaku may be the 2 names that gets talked about the most... but it doesn't mean that everyone is going to blindly vote for them in the end.

Based on the statistics provided by @Kiki, there has consistently been 40-60 people voting for each round. Clearly, not all of them voice their opinions publicly in the threads...

Again, it's important to realize that we're not purely assessing brute strength/power here. In this tournament, there is no "plot" or "storyline" holding any of the characters back, and that includes the villains of FT, something that is not often seen in the manga.

That means, if a character can disable or weaken their opponent quick enough from the very start of the battle, then they can practically prevent their opponent from ever reaching the peak of their power.

A weaker character might not be able to beat a full-powered top-tier opponent, but they can win the battle if that top-tier opponent is never able to reach their strongest state.

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good luck with that

Nah, I don't need luck for this. I have a trump card - it's called "The Silent Majority".

 

[aymen24]

The only issue with Erza (and this even happens to Natsu) is due to high volume panel time we see her struggle or be defeated by lesser opponents or circumstances, ie plot. Then again, plot does also help her achieve some high tier feats. Leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

Everything works according to the plot
That's it....
Even Jellal.. August kicked his a... easily,with all his team

But suddenly he gave him good feats against Acno
The one who blitzed August ( Who didn't even notice Acno's speed and attack )

 

[Axiomus]

Not sure I follow. So does Gray definitively have access to it throughout this tournament or is the "if" part going to be left to individual interpretation?

Because if it is the latter, then my point still stands that there is no general consensus among voters in terms of Gray being able to access it at-will.

If this so-called "Darkness" mode is truly just PoF or negative emotions, then Gray should obviously be able to use it at-will because everyone has emotions and anger in this battle.

From my standpoint, Gray's "Darkness" mode is merely just the peak of his power when his adrenaline is being pushed to its maximum.

Bringing in "PoF/negative emotions" is useless here because it's not like this tournament is following a storyline or plot. In other words, what emotions are the characters feeling here other than wanting to defeat their opponent and win the battle?

Darkness is negative emotions. It's impossible for you to never feel negative emotions, so it's inaccurate to say that Gray doesn't have access to it. But something needs to happen on the scope of Juvia dying for Gray to actually feel those emotions. I don't recall there being a judgement made on whether or not it's restricted, and personally, I have no problem if you want to use those feats.

Well, the fact that we're using a lot of "if's" here implies that the manga was rather unclear about this, which was my whole point.

If there is a translation issue, then how are individual voters going to decide which one to go with? The concern here is whether Gajeel still has access to it and can do so at-will.

As far as the "Jet Black Iron/Steel" transformation goes, I'm inclined to believe that it is indeed Gajeel's equivalent of DF, especially since this was heavily implied by the manga when he had flashbacks of other Dragon Slayers being able to activate DF at-will while he still could not.

Not to mention, his appearance closely resembled the other dragon slayers' DF designs in terms of having actual scales on his body.

Strictly speaking, what Gajeel showed was never called dragon force in any of the translations. The reason why people assume it's dragon force is because of the scale patterns, and I guess the dialogue of Natsu and Wendy showing it's DF. In terms of the actual translation, it's either "black iron" as it's own unique thing, or steel. Again, I have no problem with using these feats.

Sure, off screen fights are still fights, but we have no idea what attacks were being used throughout the battle.

For instance, CQC is still considered a fight, but I'd argue that it is far less threatening than a spell such as Black Ash.

However, I do agree with you that I didn't see Mira having any advantage against Skullion. So the results were not skewed, but they are susceptible to speculation, which makes it impossible for a fair comparison.

We have no way to tell what attacks were being used, but we can still see their demeanor after the battle. Skullion thinking that it was time to call in the Black Dragon Slaying Knights for help probably means he's already exhausted most of his options, considering the level Suzaku operates at.

 

[Nemispelled]

Darkness is negative emotions. It's impossible for you to never feel negative emotions, so it's inaccurate to say that Gray doesn't have access to it. But something needs to happen on the scope of Juvia dying for Gray to actually feel those emotions. I don't recall there being a judgement made on whether or not it's restricted, and personally, I have no problem if you want to use those feats.

Just because Gray reached the peak of his power when Juvia "died" (which was through plot), it doesn't mean that Juvia dying is the only way to release his negative emotions.

In a tournament like this where the character's only objective is to beat their opponent, it makes sense that Gray's negative emotions will reach its peak through his desire to win.

It's quite ridiculous to fit in the concept of a "plot/storyline" into this tournament when all the other characters are freely tapping into as much PoF as they want - which was also only possible through the plot/storyline, believe it or not.

Strictly speaking, what Gajeel showed was never called dragon force in any of the translations. The reason why people assume it's dragon force is because of the scale patterns, and I guess the dialogue of Natsu and Wendy showing it's DF. In terms of the actual translation, it's either "black iron" as it's own unique thing, or steel. Again, I have no problem with using these feats.

Sure, my earlier point wasn't to give that transformation a name.

It was to discuss whether Gajeel is able to access that mode/form at-will through the tournament.

I agree that it was never formally called "Dragon Force" by strict translation, but under the context and implications that we got from the manga, I have always treated it as Gajeel's equivalent of DF due to the scale patterns and flashbacks.

We have no way to tell what attacks were being used, but we can still see their demeanor after the battle. Skullion thinking that it was time to call in the Black Dragon Slaying Knights for help probably means he's already exhausted most of his options, considering the level Suzaku operates at.

Demeanor only offers speculation at best.

Unless I see hard evidence of the specific attacks being used and dealt with, I don't think it's fair to make such a conclusive comparison with absolute certainty.

There could be an endless number of possibilities for why a character might not go all out, so it's useless to chase after a specific reason.

 

[Seven777]

Looks like Erza and Jellal are in a threeway with Suzaku .
I guess that whole Erza vs Jellal mess is gonna be cleaned up right quick

 

[GL_Nova]

Sting vs Gajeel could have been the other hot topic. Instead of stomp fest

 

[Biri Biri]

Well we wouldn't have to worry about Erza/Jellal discussions any longer, cause next they're against Suzaku LMFAO

Looks like Erza and Jellal are in a threeway with Suzaku .
I guess that whole Erza vs Jellal mess is gonna be cleaned up right quick

Hold your horses boys.

Suzaku only had 37 votes (tied with Gajeel) in his group despite being far and away the most powerful.

While Erza and Jellal both had considerably higher votes with 59 and 51 respectively despite neither being the strongest.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. It would be very wrong but I honestly won't be surprised if Suzaku had lesser votes than either of them cos haters gonna hate

PS: Thank goodness I didn't vote for Erza otherwise the scarlet cancer would've tied with Gildarts for the most votes in the group setting

 

[Tirl]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. It would be very wrong but I honestly won't be surprised if Suzaku had lesser votes than either of them cos haters gonna hate

Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. Even if Suzaku would get less votes than Erza and Jellal together, they still have to share votes between them. So it might be like this:
Suzaku - 30
Erza - 20
Jellal - 20

I doubt someone will cooperate just to vote for some character together xd

 

[grey matter]

Hold your horses boys.

Suzaku only had 37 votes (tied with Gajeel) in his group despite being far and away the most powerful.

While Erza and Jellal both had considerably higher votes with 59 and 51 respectively despite neither being the strongest.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. It would be very wrong but I honestly won't be surprised if Suzaku had lesser votes than either of them cos haters gonna hate

PS: Thank goodness I didn't vote for Erza otherwise the scarlet cancer would've tied with Gildarts for the most votes in the group setting

Nah, it'll be fine. Suzaku got less votes because a few people here, admittedly, haven't read the spin off and are voting based off the main series.

Assuming all that 37 voted in Suzaku's group, also voted in Erza's and Jellal's groups. It would mean that these people have read the spin off and know how powerful Suzaku is.

And of course there are people who read main series who downplay the hell out of Suzaku. Let's put that number at maybe 7. Assuming the people who haven't read the spinoff vote for either Erza or Jellal, Suzaku likely gets 30 votes, and 15 each for Jellal and Erza.

And yea, if Suzaku doesn't make it out of that 3 way battle, there is no point to this battle royal and should be treated a joke lmao.

 

[Kiki]

Round of 17 Part 2 - Results!

[33] Natsu vs Gajeel [2]
Voters: 35. Stomp

[29] Laxus vs Hakune [12]
Voters: 41. Mid diff

[32] Gildarts vs Madmole [3]
Voters: 35. Stomp

[8] Sting vs Suzaku [29]
Voters: 37. Easy diff​

 

[Ronin31]

8 votes for Sting vs Suzaku ?? OMG.