Discussion Traumerei counters the shiny beings

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Bruh shinny ones bully FHs. Mago without her full powers pushed eduan to high extreme fight. And she can abosrb much more power as she has done so from urek in the past. Only tiny bit of light powers were enough to hold parity with someone like eduan.

Also if aburion pushes urek to high diff on his own , it means the gap between FHs and shining ones are much bigger.

I like traum but he has no chance.

 

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Bruh shinny ones bully FHs. Mago without her full powers pushed eduan to high extreme fight. And she can abosrb much more power as she has done so from urek in the past. Only tiny bit of light powers were enough to hold parity with someone like eduan.

Also if aburion pushes urek to high diff on his own , it means the gap between FHs and shining ones are much bigger.

I like traum but he has no chance.

This nerfed Mago pushed Eduan to a high diff. Traumerei could also push Eduan to a high diff fight imo. So Traumerei does have a decent shot at victory if we’re only talking about this nerfed version of Mago.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

but i wonder why penta came into the tower ?

urek was going after him right ? yet penta never dared to enslave urek ? with limitless light ?


urek has said that outside is light but why penta choose the tower ? yet outside is full of light ? urek gets the light ? but ? shinies are still shinies right ? yet darkened but still shinies


still wonder why penta didnt stay outside whre light is dominant power ? but chose to enter the tower ans left shinies here ? i dont get the idea behind of it and yes like i said its a food source (tower) but still outside shinies gain their power easily but he still chose this weak place ? its interesting

I guess we'll never know, not until Phanta himself becomes the focal point at the end anyways and we begin exploring the Outside.

 

[Demonspeed]

I'd argue all creature could at least be annoying to mago. But yeah, it's not something I would expect would win the fight for traumerei. From there we saw that vanquish started to be effective against gustang once traumerei recalled it and wielded it as a weapon. Then you have valhalla which gustang dealt with by having traumerei accidentally hit with disconnect however it was undeniably a difficult thing to fight. And then of course malice was just crazy. IF shineuh attacks aren't reflected back at traumerie I don't see any particular reason for this to be an easy fight for mago.

Valhalla was the only threat and it has intent, Evil Spirit just absorb souls. His whole kit is invalidated.

Tiara transformed into a real dragon, so what's stopping Gustang from transforming into anything he wants? He could turn into a God of Lightning, a Sun God, or........ he has so many possibilities to excel in close-quarters combat, except SIU nerfed him again.

The Gustang in your mind won't be as strong as SIU's Gustang, I can tell you that.

This nerfed Mago pushed Eduan to a high diff. Traumerei could also push Eduan to a high diff fight imo. So Traumerei does have a decent shot at victory if we’re only talking about this nerfed version of Mago.

The main issue is that Traumerei can't do anything about Reversal.

 

[kkck]

Looking across a few translations, what urek says is something like "looks like light manages to break through even in a dark place like this" and credits this to his strength returning.

Valhalla was the only threat and it has intent, Evil Spirit just absorb souls. His whole kit is invalidated.



The Gustang in your mind won't be as strong as SIU's Gustang, I can tell you that.



The main issue is that Traumerei can't do anything about Reversal.

The evil spirit as far as I can tell is an amalgamation of all the creatures (and by extension souls) at traumerei's disposal. We saw it use massive blade like appendages and fire powerful beams, it was capable of keeping gustang at bay and then some. It does way more than just absorb souls.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Traumerei's disconnect seems pretty vulnerable to something like hope reversal. If it gets reversed it could prove fatal instantly. That said, shineuh could have a more interesting matchup against hope reversal.

Assuming that would work. Traumerei is even more empty than Eduan. His desires are in Valhala and Leviathan.

 

[VON]

I agree that Traumerei is stronger than Gustang. I am just saying that Traumerei is the worst of the three in the MU because he has no mean to counter Reversal. At least you can argue that Gustang can create something like Marlin Gigante with his writings. GoL Eduan was pretty similar to Hunos.

You finally agreed.

is it because we know that they’re not withholding shinwonryuu anymore?

 

[Lonatian]

Traumerei's Shinheuhs could be a strong counter to Hope Reversal rather than Rupture, especially against creatures with their own will.

For example, Valhalla's attack on Gustang is entirely its own decision; it acts independently. Traumerei didn't order it to fly from left to right.

If Mago uses HR on Valhalla, the reversal will affect Valhalla, not Traumerei. But Valhalla is immortal as long as Traumerei is present, so Mago's reversal attack will essentially be ineffective because Traumerei will regenerate it.

And the second issue is destroying the gem; that's hard to say, I don't know if Traumerei can see it, but the chances are higher.

 

[Suiseiken]

Beat mago, dont Know for aubryon