Discussion Urek&Garam/ Bam & Androssi

[shaheer]

I think Garam actually had feelings for Urek similar to what Yuri has for Bam. She wants change in the tower and I bet the change isn't like a random change rather something specific she aspires. She sees Bam as the conduit of that. Garam most likely was similar to Yuri when Mazino came into the scene. It's hard not to get enamored with the power of irregular and someone so powerful as Urek. I think she was sure that Urek will kill zahard given how zahard runs things and how Urek is idealistic in nature. I am beginning to think at least for some time she traveled with Urek or searched him out or something. That has they had a long time interaction rather than Ureks momentary crush going in forever. Urek(while seemingly a simpleton) is a very sharp person and avoided his thing to think for him rather used his brain. He s in love with Garam and yet refused to do what Garam wants from him that kinda shows character.
Garam was infatuated with the potential of change that she wanted from Urek, not Urek as a person and that's why when androssi said maybe she will slip off from zahards rack Garam asked her why she likes Bam will decide on their relationship and will hurt both if they like each other for a wrong reason. Chapter 339 is riddled with many messages from past.
Right after Garam says this to Androssi the scene pans to Urek being broody and Gustav talking about Garam wanting him to kill Zahard and Urek saying he won't do what she wants and has momentarily gained her forgiveness as this is the most he can do for her.

It seems SIU is building off a parallel with Androssi and Bam while Yuri is acting in the shoes of Garam. We dont know what her lofty change is but if Bam fails to acknowledge and do it she (while not hate bam) will cease to be that attached. Same to do with Androssi if her infatuation with him is due to something other than liking Bam as a person.

 

[kkck]

I doubt this tbh. SIU has made the point that urek is straight up not popular with women. Not to mention that the series has never actually hinted that garam cares for urek beyond his ability to kill zahard. Not to mention that bam and androsi are at least friends and when the situation has called to it they have fought for each other a number of times. And they have also been assholes to each other when it has been convenient... Overall urek and garam simply can't even dream of what androsi and bam have because they have no real past together beyond urek being the cheesiest motherfucker in the tower's history.

 

[Demonspeed]

Urek is not popular with women but it doesn't mean he doesn't have friendly relationships with them, Yuri is a good example. And unpopular doesn't mean he can't have a relationship.

I am one of those who don't think Yuri has romantic feelings for Baam, but she genuinely cares for him, she doesn't just want to see how he will change the Tower. There is a parralel for sure, but I would not say that Yuri has her place in it. From what Garam said to Androssi, it is indeed possible that she had feelings for Urek but she made a choice and her hatred for Zahard is more important for her.

Spoiler: Spoiler for another series

Which reminds me of Katanagatari.

Yuri is supporting Baam right now but in the end she is a Ranker, she won't be able to babysit his team for too long and will be unable to experience the same things as his team. That's something which will affect their characters as they climb. Plus, I don't think Yuri cares about all these complicated things . Garam is a rebel, Androssi is thinking about it, but Yuri just does what she wants and I don't believe she wants Zahard's head. She is well known for her attitude.

 

[Vitala]

Androssi and baam love is not even possible, she doesn't look like a heroine and we fall behind him in term of power level in the tower no too mention baam has yet to show feelings toward her .
Like the others said garam never had feelings for urek, she just wanted to use him and urek must be a big looser if He can't even get a girl with all the money he has.

 

[Ripcord]

Androssi and baam love is not even possible, she doesn't look like a heroine and we fall behind him in term of power level in the tower no too mention baam has yet to show feelings toward her .
Like the others said garam never had feelings for urek, she just wanted to use him and urek must be a big looser if He can't even get a girl with all the money he has.

I think Bam has just shown oblivious platonic feelings toward everyone equally, but this is just outwardly. We only know what the author shows us. Also, Bam would be the last person to care that he should be paired up with someone equally as powerful, though I think you’re underestimating Androssi a little.

Also don’t forget these are just kids and their journey is just getting started. Some romantic relationships start out as friendship... which is probably Urek’s problem. He tries too hard to rescue everyone rather than walk along side them, and if the girls he’s running into are anything like my wife they’re just gonna get pissed off (“shannaroooooo, I don’t need your help, leave me alone” )

 

[darkraoul]

Siu already said main heroine that bam will fell for hasn't been shown. idk why People hope for BamxAndorssi bamxYuri etc... Bam will break alot of hearts before main heroine show up.

 

[kkck]

Siu already said main heroine that bam will fell for hasn't been shown. idk why People hope for BamxAndorssi bamxYuri etc... Bam will break alot of hearts before main heroine show up.

He did? When did this happen?

 

[Demonspeed]

Siu already said main heroine that bam will fell for hasn't been shown. idk why People hope for BamxAndorssi bamxYuri etc... Bam will break alot of hearts before main heroine show up.

1.When he talked about the heroine, he never said she would be the love interest.
2.Androssi had not appeared yet.
3.Baam having a love interest is not even necessary.

 

[darkraoul]

1.When he talked about the heroine, he never said she would be the love interest.
2.Androssi had not appeared yet.
3.Baam having a love interest is not even necessary.

He implied it by saying until main heroine appear he will make alot of girls cry.
He has no romantic feeling for androssi yuri and yeon yihwa. twins princess will fall in that loop too same for Macheney who siu confirmed to have big role in near arc and even Elaine.

ifn bam shown any interest i would join debate but he has none same for this debate

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He did? When did this happen?

2F blog post or Q/A forgot where ive read it

 

[shaheer]

i am not saying Androssi is his love interest rather noting the dynamics that cognates between androssi and Bam and Garam and Urek.
I personally dislike Androssis character and would be really happy if she is kicked out from the mains list. However, steadily its getting more and more obvious that Androssi is becoming the main girl in the show.

 

[Demonspeed]

He implied it by saying until main heroine appear he will make alot of girls cry.
He has no romantic feeling for androssi yuri and yeon yihwa. twins princess will fall in that loop too same for Macheney who siu confirmed to have big role in near arc and even Elaine.

ifn bam shown any interest i would join debate but he has none same for this debate

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2F blog post or Q/A forgot where ive read it

You are misunderstanding something. We are talking about parallel, not Baam's potential future pairing. Just like shaheer I think there is a parallel reading the chapter, the problem is what will happen later. This is what matters. Baam has no romantic feelings for anyone, everyone knows this. But this fact doesn't mean it can't happen to him for a character who has already been introduced or not(when he said that only Yuri, Rachel who is the female lead and Anak had appeared anyway). This series is far from being over.

 

[Jammin]

Hmmmm.

Okay so I agree with part of what shaheer is saying. I think that Garam and Urek did have something going on and at some point were probably even on reasonably good terms. And his refusal to do what she wants regarding kicking Zahard off his throne probably was what turned their relationship sour. I also believe that is what she was warning Androssi about. Garam placed more importance on what Urek could do instead of him as person.

I'm with you that far but after that point we part company. I think Androssi and Yuri are both very different from Garam.

Androssi because she's far too cynical and not at all an idealist. She doesn't give a crap about changing the tower or any of that stuff. She's all about her personal relationships. She wants love and is drawn the kindness and innocence that she's never really had. When it comes to protecting Anak or Baam she'd be all in. But reforming the tower? That's just not who she is. I feel like she might do it for Baam and Anak but she'd be complaining the whole time about what a nuisance it is.

Yuri is more likely to want to change the tower than Androssi is. I definitely think she would want to see changes happen but in the end if she had to choose ideals or Baam. She'd pick Baam too. Almost instantly. The important thing to her is Baam himself. She's not one to overthink things. SIU once wrote it in a blog post that she was obsessed with a virtual game called "raising cute boys". That's the sort of person she is. A pervert raising her ideal man.(I love Yuri.)

1.When he talked about the heroine, he never said she would be the love interest.
2.Androssi had not appeared yet.
3.Baam having a love interest is not even necessary.

How could you say such a thing Demon!? A epic hero without a love interest is not an epic hero. It is extremely necessary, vital, crucial, and required.

i am not saying Androssi is his love interest rather noting the dynamics that cognates between androssi and Bam and Garam and Urek.
I personally dislike Androssis character and would be really happy if she is kicked out from the mains list. However, steadily its getting more and more obvious that Androssi is becoming the main girl in the show.

 

[shaheer]

I also dont think Androssi is like Garam (the reason why i said parallel is not much to do with the nature of relationship rather the interaction between a powerful irregular with a potential to cause much change and a sought after princess ie i think they were in a reasonable decent term with each other). I think Garam is a bit selfish, she wants to kick zahard out and wants others to do it because she is not able to do so. I believe she has valid reasons for removal of zahard (by the looks of it) but her incapacity to remove and intransigence to slip out of zahards shade has put her in a place that she cant do anything else apart from depending and praying that either Urek or Bam will do what she wants.

Btw my dislike for the princess is as ancient as ToG itself... never liked Androssi or Anak or even Yuri(i guess for Yuri it's not dislike but rather 'meh' neither like nor dislike)

 

[Jammin]

I also dont think Androssi is like Garam (the reason why i said parallel is not much to do with the nature of relationship rather the interaction between a powerful irregular with a potential to cause much change and a sought after princess ie i think they were in a reasonable decent term with each other). I think Garam is a bit selfish, she wants to kick zahard out and wants others to do it because she is not able to do so. I believe she has valid reasons for removal of zahard (by the looks of it) but her incapacity to remove and intransigence to slip out of zahards shade has put her in a place that she cant do anything else apart from depending and praying that either Urek or Bam will do what she wants.

I can agree with that. I view Garam as very much of a reformist. She wants to see the tower change.

Btw my dislike for the princess is as ancient as ToG itself... never liked Androssi or Anak or even Yuri(i guess for Yuri it's not dislike but rather 'meh' neither like nor dislike)

 

[Lady pompom]

Garam seemed to be interested in Urek because of his powers and what he could do as an irregular, but it does seems she was at some sort of relationship with him at some point and got angry after he refused helping her for hiw own reasons (which I believe to be very reasonable since he refused to help his beloved one).

As for Yuri and Androssi with Baam, while Yuri seems most likely a princess that wants changes and also sees in Baam the possibility of changing the tower, I think she does care about him, not romanticaly but as a strange stalker and older sister-figure that helps him. From her friendly relationship with Mazino, it seems they both want to change the tower in a different way from what Garam suggests (although it was not said yet what exactly she asked Mazino, it sounds like she asked something radical he couldn't condone with).

Androssi is in love with Baam, and he is probably one of the only people she cares about, she is not interested in changing the tower like Yuri or Garam, so se might take a different path from Garam here, since she doesn't like Baam only because he is an irregular and what he represents for the tower. What will be of their relationship it's a point I think SIU will bring later in the story, in the arc of Zahard princesses.

 

[Ripcord]

Garam seemed to be interested in Urek because of his powers and what he could do as an irregular, but it does seems she was at some sort of relationship with him at some point and got angry after he refused helping her for hiw own reasons (which I believe to be very reasonable since he refused to help his beloved one).

As for Yuri and Androssi with Baam, while Yuri seems most likely a princess that wants changes and also sees in Baam the possibility of changing the tower, I think she does care about him, not romanticaly but as a strange stalker and older sister-figure that helps him. From her friendly relationship with Mazino, it seems they both want to change the tower in a different way from what Garam suggests (although it was not said yet what exactly she asked Mazino, it sounds like she asked something radical he couldn't condone with).

Androssi is in love with Baam, and he is probably one of the only people she cares about, she is not interested in changing the tower like Yuri or Garam, so se might take a different path from Garam here, since she doesn't like Baam only because he is an irregular and what he represents for the tower. What will be of their relationship it's a point I think SIU will bring later in the story, in the arc of Zahard princesses.

My idea is that Urek came in saying “I’ll rescue you Garam with the power of looooove” and when the two got close he said “I’ll do anything for you baby.” Then Garam said “my daddy’s a bad man. Real bad. If you really love me, you’ll kill him for me.” And Urek said “what, I don’t want to turn this thing into America’s most wanted” and Garam said “get outa heeeeah!”

 

[Jammin]

I'll say this for Garam I don't think she intended to make any kind of demands on Urek. She told Androssi be careful or both of you could get hurt. If she's talking from personal experience, like we all think she is, doesn't that mean that she got hurt too? Which is more or less a confirmation that she did really care about Urek at some point.

So I don't think she ever wanted to use him. Or anything harsh like that.

It's just that her being tricked into killing her own twin sister is something she can't get past the injustice of. And Urek has power. To not be willing throw himself at this the way she would if she had his power. I just think it naturally became a wedge between the two.

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And to be fair to Urek if he actually did throw himself at the Zahard Empire it would be a catastrophe. Win or lose. How many people like Yuri could get caught in the crossfire? And innocent people too.

I don't blame him for being unwilling to do that. But I can't blame her for unable to letting injustice stand either. It's nobody's fault. It's just a sad story.

But it's not a story I'm to worried about Androssi or Yuri repeating.

 

[Lady pompom]

I'll say this for Garam I don't think she intended to make any kind of demands on Urek. She told Androssi be careful or both of you could get hurt. If she's talking from personal experience, like we all think she is, doesn't that mean that she got hurt too? Which is more or less a confirmation that she did really care about Urek at some point.

Yes, that advice she told Androssi gives a hint she is hurt too, that scene was strong since she was basically telling "Don't make the same mistakes I did". That could be the reason she doesn't want to see him anymore so they both don't get more hurt than they already are.

My idea is that Urek came in saying “I’ll rescue you Garam with the power of looooove” and when the two got close he said “I’ll do anything for you baby.” Then Garam said “my daddy’s a bad man. Real bad. If you really love me, you’ll kill him for me.” And Urek said “what, I don’t want to turn this thing into America’s most wanted” and Garam said “get outa heeeeah!”

That does sound some fairy-tale sorta of story but I think there are many other layers to Garam and Urek relationship. The way she talked to Androssi seems like, at some point she had a dillema because she asked Mazino to help her and that could be seen as if she wanted to make use of his powers (which she was not and like Jammin mentioned above, she also would be hesitant to send him in a war and have innocent people involved, right?). With his refusal, they both got hurt and she decided to not recur to his help anymore and try doing it alone by other means in way to avoid more bloody conflicts (and to avoid hurting him too).

 

[shaheer]

And to be fair to Urek if he actually did throw himself at the Zahard Empire it would be a catastrophe. Win or lose. How many people like Yuri could get caught in the crossfire? And innocent people too.

It would be a bloodbath, as you said people caught in cross fire. Imagine Urek and zahard duking it off and may be he won (may be) but then what the whole tower structure will fall apart. Urek doesnt have any interest in ruling the tower, the whole place will fall down to anarchy.

 

[Rintarou]

I'm not sure where you guys are getting how Androssi likes Bamm at all. This whole time she's either been using him or following him for the same reason why Khun follows Bamm, because something "interesting will happen"