Urek Mazino vs Zahard

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Who will end up being more powerful according to you?

 

[Lonatian]

It must be Zahard.

 

[Demonspeed]

Zahard is probably stronger.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Well the rankings isn't correct except for top 2. So I would say it's Urek fking Mazino. Man came looking for the phanta. Well truth is bitter, so people might won't agree with me.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I think Urek has more potential. No Shinwonryu, few hundred years in the Tower, no spell usage that we know, no Fate manipulation, yet still portrayed to be in that class.

With that said, I think Zahard is probably gonna be the stronger one, albeit by a tight margin. He and the Family Heads seem much more realized than Urek, who's a newbie in the Tower.

 

[Lonatian]

Well the rankings isn't correct except for top 2. So I would say it's Urek fking Mazino. Man came looking for the phanta. Well truth is bitter, so people might won't agree with me.

Urek maybe came to chases after Phanta, but clearly Phanta dont care.

Meanwhile, both Phanta and Enryu entered the tower just to have a conflict with Zahard.

This is the difference.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Urek maybe came to chases after Phanta, but clearly Phanta dont care.

Meanwhile, both Phanta and Enryu entered the tower just to have a conflict with Zahard.

This is the difference.

Speaking of difference, here is the real one: J needs protection from admins for his life from towerborns to the max level while UM doesn't. That tells a lot who is stronger

 

[Lonatian]

Speaking of difference, here is the real one: J needs protection from admins for his life from towerborns to the max level while UM doesn't. That tells a lot who is stronger

That's nonsense.
Immortality is a GIFT from the admin of the 100th floor, given to Zahard. He did not beg for this.

In fact, it must be said that Urek is not worthy of the admin granting him immortality. He is just an irregular, not great warrior like Zahard and 10 FHs.

 

[Dutchy]

Zahard don't want that smoke. He's a coward who came out of retirement to torment D rank regulars. Arie Hon isn't far behind Zahard, Urek was on par while still climbing the tower. Garam put money on Urek. On paper he wins bt plot demands Zahard is superior.

That's nonsense.
Immortality is a GIFT from the admin of the 100th floor, given to Zahard. He did not beg for this.

In fact, it must be said that Urek is not worthy of the admin granting him immortality. He is just an irregular, not great warrior like Zahard and 10 FHs.

Why does Urek need it? At best there are 5 people that can kill him. He can kill them, because he is irregular. He has no intention of staying in the tower. Immortality is useless!

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Arie Hon isn't far behind Zahard, Urek was on par while still climbing the tower.

Hon lost to zahard 10 times though and went subservient.

 

[Lonatian]

Zahard don't want that smoke. He's a coward who came out of retirement to torment D rank regulars. Arie Hon isn't far behind Zahard, Urek was on par while still climbing the tower. Garam put money on Urek. On paper he wins bt plot demands Zahard is superior.



Why does Urek need it? At best there are 5 people that can kill him. He can kill them, because he is irregular. He has no intention of staying in the tower. Immortality is useless!

Wasn't Blooming_Lotus talking about Zahard needing admin protection? Do you also agree with that?

Arie Hon challenged Zahard 10 times and lost 10 times, I dont see "not far behind" like you said.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

That's nonsense.
Immortality is a GIFT from the admin of the 100th floor, given to Zahard. He did not beg for this.

In fact, it must be said that Urek is not worthy of the admin granting him immortality. He is just an irregular, not great warrior like Zahard and 10 FHs.

And that will make him like Dumas who is surrounded by an invisible armour. V had the guts to reject it. Accepting the contract means he is in fear of someone unknown. Even if he didn't beg for this, someone did.Then Why does J need a king contract when he has an immortality contract? Without harming J, how can towerborns kill him? We don't know if he begged for king contract?

Urek isn't worthy Admin isn't worthy . Just an irregular. Are u saying GWs>irregulars? Are u admitting GWs> phanta and Enryu lol?

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Hon lost to zahard 10 times though and went subservient.

Is this canon? Unless it's canon u can take it as a joke

 

[Lonatian]

Urek isn't worthy Admin isn't worthy . Just an irregular. Are u saying GWs>irregulars? Are u admitting GWs> phanta and Enryu lol?

Of course, just because you're strong doesn't mean you're worthy. Zahard and the 10 FHs were great warriors, for they make a great journey. Even the great father of the workshop gave them gifts for what they do.
Unlike Urek, Phanta, or Enryu, they have no meaning at all.

V had the guts to reject it.

V kills himself and left Arlene and all his subordinates behind. I don't see the man's pride anywhere, most of his followers are punished (death or curse), and it just a way for him avoids his responsibility.

Then Why does J need a king contract when he has an immortality contract? Without harming J, how can towerborns kill him? We don't know if he begged for king contract?

Zahard found out that he has the "destiny" of the King whether he like it or not. But he want to turn this tower into the place where everyone can live happily, he finally accept it. He did not beg this.

Is this canon? Unless it's canon u can take it as a joke

SIU said it in his blog. Almost everything related to Zahard and the 10 FHs is not mentioned in the story, if you consider it a joke then clearly all information is unconfirmed (character profiles, rankings, etc.)

 

[Dutchy]

Of course, just because you're strong doesn't mean you're worthy. Zahard and the 10 FHs were great warriors, for they make a great journey. Even the great father of the workshop gave them gifts for what they do.
Unlike Urek, Phanta, or Enryu, they have no meaning at all.

I didn't say anything about whether Urek was worthy or not, more that he doesn't need immortality in the same way he didn't need the rice pot.

Ask yourself this, if the 2nd Floor administrator told Baam that contracts are shackles then what does that mean for Zahard and the FH who have all manner of gifts for being worthy?

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Of course, just because you're strong doesn't mean you're worthy. Zahard and the 10 FHs were great warriors, for they make a great journey. Even the great father of the workshop gave them gifts for what they do.
Unlike Urek, Phanta, or Enryu, they have no meaning at all.

V kills himself and left Arlene and all his subordinates behind. I don't see the man's pride anywhere, most of his followers are punished (death or curse), and it just a way for him avoids his responsibility.


Zahard found out that he has the "destiny" of the King whether he like it V kills himself and left Arlene and all his subordinates behind. I don't see the man's pride anywhere, most of his followers are punished (death or curse), and it just a way for him avoids his responsibility.or not. But he want to turn this tower into the place where everyone can live happily, he finally accept it. He did not beg this.

SIU said it in his blog. Almost everything related to Zahard and the 10 FHs is not mentioned in the story, if you consider it a joke then clearly all information is unconfirmed (character profiles, rankings, etc.)

All I will say is Phanta and Enryu are above the tower. As for Urek who has no meaning is because he is free of desires. He is him. He knows his true self. He was strong enough from word go unlike some losers who were weak.


How many people can reject such offer. Look at BM, he begged for immortality contract. He just didn't take his wife mentality at that moment. If he knew she would do such a thing to his dead child, probably he would kill her and himself.

J was an adventurer not the king. Data E says that. J was tempted and he gave in and that's all. Stop talking about destiny and all. He didn't owe anyone. He knew the consequences of becoming king that's why he had king contract. I even doubt he was a soldier from a kingdom back in outside world.

Many things are changed like yama back story, Hana to Yee rang. So I can't say almost everything is wrong. But especially that sentence I doubt he would have said that seriously. Imagine downplaying hon who is the strongest FL while showing his rivalry against Edahn in HF.

 

[Lonatian]

I didn't say anything about whether Urek was worthy or not, more that he doesn't need immortality in the same way he didn't need the rice pot.

Ask yourself this, if the 2nd Floor administrator told Baam that contracts are shackles then what does that mean for Zahard and the FH who have all manner of gifts for being worthy?

Immortality is truly a gift (100th floor).

An event that caused them to stop climbing the tower happened on the 134th floor. The contract you mentioned is in this floor, and not relate to the immortality.

 

[Dutchy]

Immortality is truly a gift (100th floor).

An event that caused them to stop climbing the tower happened on the 134th floor. The contract you mentioned is in this floor, and not relate to the immortality.

A gift that Urek doesn't need for reasons I stated above. Who can kill Urek and who can't he kill? FH accepted immortality so they could rule over the tower, a notion Urek firmly rejects.

 

[Lonatian]

How many people can reject such offer. Look at BM, he begged for immortality contract. He just didn't take his wife mentality at that moment. If he knew she would do such a thing to his dead child, probably he would kill her and himself.

How about his followers? Why you ignore them ?
V left behind after everything he do with Zahard, he think Zahard will forgive them

J was an adventurer not the king. Data E says that. J was tempted and he gave in and that's all. Stop talking about destiny and all. He didn't owe anyone. He knew the consequences of becoming king that's why he had king contract. I even doubt he was a soldier from a kingdom back in outside world.

Even Eduan (data) didn't know why they changes so much in the future.
Come on, team 11 all agreed that Zahard will become the King. Now you sound like Zahad is begging for this.
Can't you admit that the tower chose Zahad as the king (rather than someone else)?
Why it looks difficult for you to think that at the beginning, Zahard really had a good intention, and the administrator was simply protecting Zahard as a reward.

Many things are changed like yama back story, Hana to Yee rang. So I can't say almost everything is wrong. But especially that sentence I doubt he would have said that seriously. Imagine downplaying hon who is the strongest FL while showing his rivalry against Edahn in HF.

Because Hon is a polite person, Eduan is not. He accepts his defeat and doesn't complain. Eduan's personality is not like that, he will argue all day and not stop.
But he clearly still sees Zahard as his team leader, I don't think Zahard's personality is good enough for Eduan to respect him if he's not strong enough.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

People think GWs climbed tower for immortality lol. There is no such thing as free lunch anywhere be it irl or ifl. There's a reason why it's called immortality contract not immortality gift. There's a hidden greed for why GWs climbed the tower, Admin offered them contracts and why J become the king. Smh

 

[Lonatian]

People think GWs climbed tower for immortality lol. There is no such thing as free lunch anywhere be it irl or ifl. There's a reason why it's called immortality contract not immortality gift. There's a hidden greed for why GWs climbed the tower, Admin offered them contracts and why J become the king. Smh

Call it whatever you want, but the author calls it a gift.
Is that difficult to accept?

What happened on the 134th floor is still a mystery, but the gift is from the 100th floor. It's clearly unrelated.