Urek vs Enryu

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I think only phanta and enryu has shown feats like this. Enryu can be equivalent of higher level shinny ones in his own world or something like phanta but rather than going against darkness , he serves it.
I doubt Phantaminium got out of Tower. He might still be in ToG. I only know for sure Enryu got out, but the ranking bureau for whatever they consider most important, put Phantaminium above for killing some HRs while Enryu did what he did.
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How do we know Urek already fought Phantaminum? All I know is he was chasing Phantaminum.

If Enryu is also another radiant one then Enryu is stronger else Urek is stronger.
Maybe Enryu is another something else, I think we should not rush.
 
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I doubt Phantaminium got out of Tower. He might still be in ToG.

Phanta is gone from the Tower and story, SIU made that very clear when he hammered it in to us in interviews that he regrets introducing him into the Tower of god story itself so anyone hoping he'd be relevant to the story had another thing coming.



I think that's why he even went the length of making Urek too from another story which he'd eventually return to just to keep him off thr Tower of god lore.



He's doing everything here to separate Phanta from the Tower and Urek too, whatever lies in store for both of them is being set up so that it has nothing to do with TOG story it seems when the end comes.
 

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Phanta is gone from the Tower and story, SIU made that very clear when he hammered it in to us in interviews that he regrets introducing him into the Tower of god story itself so anyone hoping he'd be relevant to the story had another thing coming.



I think that's why he even went the length of making Urek too from another story which he'd eventually return to just to keep him off thr Tower of god lore.



He's doing everything here to separate Phanta from the Tower and Urek too, whatever lies in store for both of them is being set up so that it has nothing to do with TOG story it seems when the end comes.
But wasn't that long time ago? Good chance phanta becomes relevant post zahard defeat.
 

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But wasn't that long time ago? Good chance phanta becomes relevant post zahard defeat.

No, because there's been absolutely zero mentions of him since season 1.

Not even a peep or a hint of something behind the scenes, SIU still doesn't want Phanta in the main story at all because that's not just something you can handle in such a small setting.




If you look at it, Ureks motivation and goal separates him from the ongoing storyline and Baam's entire story, that's why he's being kept as an equalizer rather than an active threat to any sides of this story.



He's making sure that there's no clash between both worlds, that's the reason why I'm sure he's taking Urek out of the Tower before EOS so things don't get more complicated than they already are.
 

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Phanta is gone from the Tower and story, SIU made that very clear when he hammered it in to us in interviews that he regrets introducing him into the Tower of god story itself so anyone hoping he'd be relevant to the story had another thing coming.



I think that's why he even went the length of making Urek too from another story which he'd eventually return to just to keep him off thr Tower of god lore.



He's doing everything here to separate Phanta from the Tower and Urek too, whatever lies in store for both of them is being set up so that it has nothing to do with TOG story it seems when the end comes.
If he regrets, he will most probably be relevant in spite of him, that is the source of regret. Otherwise, who cares.
Other things you say are reasonable, I appreaciate them. Still, though, I am on the benefit of doubt side. He could have just said Phantaminum got out, rather than the elusive "disappeared". We'll probably see the answer soon :)
 

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SIU can simply change Phanta backstory, since there is no official backstory anyway. All we know for sure that he is strong and have jewels with sealed Radiant ones. But it is not stated that he is a god or Axis. Furthermore as a champion of darkness he should have comparable powers to champion of light - Urek.

Currently Enryu in other league, since he is only known entity in tower that can kill Administrator.
 

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SIU can simply change Phanta backstory, since there is no official backstory anyway. All we know for sure that he is strong and have jewels with sealed Radiant ones. But it is not stated that he is a god or Axis. Furthermore as a champion of darkness he should have comparable powers to champion of light - Urek.

Currently Enryu in other league, since he is only known entity in tower that can kill Administrator.
totally.
Moreover, within hundred chapters of ToG from now on, I expect battling admins each other, or cooperating against admins etc. that would be DOPE.
 

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SIU can simply change Phanta backstory, since there is no official backstory anyway. All we know for sure that he is strong and have jewels with sealed Radiant ones. But it is not stated that he is a god or Axis. Furthermore as a champion of darkness he should have comparable powers to champion of light - Urek.

Currently Enryu in other league, since he is only known entity in tower that can kill Administrator.
??? You are saying that Phanta should have powers comparable to Urek but that Enryu is in another league? So you think that Enryu is stronger than Phanta?
 

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??? You are saying that Phanta should have powers comparable to Urek but that Enryu is in another league? So you think that Enryu is stronger than Phanta?
Based on current official lore there is not reason to believe that Phanta is stronger than Enryu. We only know that he was strong enough to defeat every Radiant one in outer world. We also know that last Radiant one - Urek become significantly stronger when he climbed the tower, meaning that Radian ones outside the tower were weaker than current Urek. Obviously Phanta also should have become stronger when he started climbing and maybe Urek still have not awakened his true power. But this is just a speculation at this point, since we do not know what SIU planned for them.
 

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Urek become significantly stronger when he climbed the tower,
I'm sorry but where did you draw this conclusion from if you don't mind?



Obviously Phanta also should have become stronger when he started climbing

Once again, I'd like to know where you got the idea Phanta not only climbed the Tower as some regular but also became stronger from climbing the Tower.



This is not even headcannon, it's beyond parody at this point.
 

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Based on current official lore there is not reason to believe that Phanta is stronger than Enryu. We only know that he was strong enough to defeat every Radiant one in outer world. We also know that last Radiant one - Urek become significantly stronger when he climbed the tower, meaning that Radian ones outside the tower were weaker than current Urek. Obviously Phanta also should have become stronger when he started climbing and maybe Urek still have not awakened his true power. But this is just a speculation at this point, since we do not know what SIU planned for them.
Even based on the current lore, Phanta is stronger. He was created by The Darkness and is ignoring it, doing what he wants. Enryu entered following someone's orders. We don't know how strong the Shinies are because we never saw them fight, Urek is also a mystery because he never went all out.

About Urek getting stronger, what we can say for sure is that he got a lot more battle experience. As I said in a previous post, he had to adapt to Shinsoo, which is what he is doing at the moment. So his power is really unclear. Nothing says that Urek is even close to Phanta's level of strength too. What we know is that it's his goal to defeat him. Phanta entered, killed some of Zahard's soldiers, said something and left. Enryu did something similar, but under someone's orders and left the Thorn. There is no reason to believe that they climbed traditionally like the others. They didn't.
 
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I wonder how strong UM would be if he entered as an adult realising his light powers unlike Enryu or Phanta who entered as an adult.
 

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Based on current official lore there is not reason to believe that Phanta is stronger than Enryu. We only know that he was strong enough to defeat every Radiant one in outer world. We also know that last Radiant one - Urek become significantly stronger when he climbed the tower, meaning that Radian ones outside the tower were weaker than current Urek. Obviously Phanta also should have become stronger when he started climbing and maybe Urek still have not awakened his true power. But this is just a speculation at this point, since we do not know what SIU planned for them.
Phantamanium simply has more clear cut better hype as of now. Strongest being of his verse and even inside the tower was ranked as no.1

It is possible that beings from outside god's world are stronger than that of Urek's world but for now benefit of doubt goes to phantamanium.
 

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I'm sorry but where did you draw this conclusion from if you don't mind?
Shinsu not exists outside of the Tower. In current timeline Urek uses Shinsu to power up his attacks when he become serious. I think it's safe to assume that he become stronger when he learned how to control Shinsu.

Once again, I'd like to know where you got the idea Phanta not only climbed the Tower as some regular but also became stronger from climbing the Tower.
We know that he reached 134 floor somehow, meaning that he climbed the Tower to this floor. Of course we can make an assumption that he have godlike abilities and can teleport around the tower ignoring tower rules. But once again a this point of the story there is not reason to believe that he is so powerful.

Even based on the current lore, Phanta is stronger. He was created by The Darkness and is ignoring it, doing what he wants.
Why should be Panta stronger than Urek then? Urek was created by light and he also doing what he wants. In my opinion currently this is the main evidence that Phanta most likely is not a god level character. He have same origin as Urek and we know that Urek can't challenge administrator and break tower rules in a same way a Enryu did.

Nothing says that Urek is even close to Phanta's level of strength too. What we know is that it's his goal to defeat him. Phanta entered, killed some of Zahard's soldiers, said something and left. Enryu did something similar, but under someone's orders and left the Thorn. There is no reason to believe that they climbed traditionally like the others. They didn't.
What it the Phanta's level of strength? For some reason people keep measuring him based on obsolete lore, including outdated ranking table. SIU changes it quite often, for example recently he completely changed Adori.
 

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Even based on the current lore, Phanta is stronger. He was created by The Darkness and is ignoring it, doing what he wants. Enryu entered following someone's orders. We don't know how strong the Shinies are because we never saw them fight, Urek is also a mystery because he never went all out.

About Urek getting stronger, what we can say for sure is that he got a lot more battle experience. As I said in a previous post, he had to adapt to Shinsoo, which is what he is doing at the moment. So his power is really unclear. Nothing says that Urek is even close to Phanta's level of strength too. What we know is that it's his goal to defeat him. Phanta entered, killed some of Zahard's soldiers, said something and left. Enryu did something similar, but under someone's orders and left the Thorn. There is no reason to believe that they climbed traditionally like the others. They didn't.
I had a strong belief that when Urek vs Danzon will take place in front of the administrator, there will be an admin - Urek clash and we may see at least Urek's going all out at that time. Either this but most probably the following week's chapter will showcase this. What I actually wonder is whether Urek can tap into his natural Shiny powers as well as he would like to within ToG. Currently, people seemingly assume so, but it is probably not the case. He is still physically so powerful anyway so he can just climb the tower without Shiny power.

As for Phantaminium, we definitely need some panels from his perspective, rather than a distant third-perspective, and same for Enryu. I have an admin-killing craze but I can't really gauge his strength, as there is no ceiling when you go kill an admin, come and go out of ToG at will.
 

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Shinsu not exists outside of the Tower. In current timeline Urek uses Shinsu to power up his attacks when he become serious. I think it's safe to assume that he become stronger when he learned how to control Shinsu.
???

Shinsoo is only relevant in tower of god story, it's not the only power nor even the strongest power that exists so..???



Also Urek has power outside of Shinsoo, it literally came from being spawned out of the primordial light as it's strongest of it's creation aka the Luminous ones.



And when Urek crossed stories, he stated that he lost his power and this is all we know for now but to say Shinsoo made him stronger than he had ever been on the outside?


Absolutely baseless and improbable.


And eventually when we see him use it in probably season 4 or after, we'll know exactly how much he's recovered and what the current him can do with it.
 
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After settling in the spin off for a while, all I can say is nothing has changed for me at all.

the ranking is still clear. Whether Urek has the potential to grow stronger or can ever hope to defeat Phanta is irrelevant to me right now. The future is the future and not the now.

Urek is still below Enryu.

All that has changed for me is that Phanta is not invincible.

This spin off really have ruined some people’s mind.
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I wonder how strong UM would be if he entered as an adult realising his light powers unlike Enryu or Phanta who entered as an adult.
Phanta doesn’t abide by age. He just manifested from the abstract concept of darkness as is.
 
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