Urek vs Enryu

[Jackjohsnon]

The only thing holding back Urek is that we don't know If he can use the full extent of his original powers. If he can, I have no reason to believe he loses to Enryu. But It is likely he can't use It, since it would make Urek too imbalanced compared to V and Zahard.

Of Course, SIU can very well give V all the thorns and Zahard some kind of overpowered contract, but Urek's hype has surely increased as his own story is greater universe-wise than ToG's story.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

After settling in the spin off for a while, all I can say is nothing has changed for me at all.

the ranking is still clear. Whether Urek has the potential to grow stronger or can ever hope to defeat Phanta is irrelevant to me right now. The future is the future and not the now.

Urek is still below Enryu.

All that has changed for me is that Phanta is not invincible.

This spin off really have ruined some people’s mind.

--- Double Post Merged, May 11, 2025, Original Post Date: May 11, 2025 ---

Phanta doesn’t abide by age. He just manifested from the abstract concept of darkness as is.

Well many things have changed. First of all, the rankings aren't canon, I never believed in them. Phanta was N1 when feat wise Enryu should be above him. IIRC, someone said only king and Yuri survived Phanta. And Idk how ranking office would place Phanta above Enryu when they haven't seen it in the first place. Even for Enryu, we don't know whether he used the thorn or not. It was exaggerated as only Enryu could create life out of shinsu, when we have seen Gussy create writings and Rei creating his animals esp 3 WDs. Many things will be prolly retconned. Tbh, it's way better when it was in BP.

 

[Demonspeed]

Absolutely nothing has changed though. Certain things have been changed and a bunch of people want to treat all of this as irrelevant. In this case, Enryu has no ranking either since it's not been said in the manhwa that he is N.2.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

The only thing holding back Urek is that we don't know If he can use the full extent of his original powers.

Irrelevant. Irregulars have powers from outside the tower. Ureks just so happens to have powers from a specific race of people.

If he can, I have no reason to believe he loses to Enryu.

source please. Outside power doesn’t automatically mean greater power than the one in the tower.

--- Double Post Merged, May 11, 2025, Original Post Date: May 11, 2025 ---

I swear nothing said in the first chapter elevates Urek to such a degree.

all that was said is that he is someone who can oppose those who follow Phanta, and Phanta himself.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Irregulars have powers from outside the tower.

Huh?

The only power irregulars have is being able to open the door hence what made them special.


But, Baam and Rachel had nothing, they weren't shooting beams, they were using lamps in that cave if i remember correctly and also for the great warriors the only thing that made Zahard and Arie Hon special was that they could fight supremely before entering the Tower.


But powers?


Never happened, else Traum and Gustang woulda shown something but they had nothing but Shinsoo.

--- Double Post Merged, May 11, 2025, Original Post Date: May 11, 2025 ---

source please. Outside power doesn’t automatically mean greater power than the one in the tower.

Also Urek isn't from the outside, SIU already stated long ago that the tower and the outside aren't different worlds or places.

They're entirely in one place, they're in the same world.


So Urek doesn't posses outside power, he's literally not from that story at all.


His verse is literally much bigger in sheer scale.

 

[arrowofsky]

And when Urek crossed stories, he stated that he lost his power and this is all we know for now

Then how do you explain the Danzon and Urek's first wrestling-like encounter and Urek exclaiming "let me show you my power too" with some Shiny blaze around him, like a bit of shinsoo exude by Danzon before. That shows me that Urek did not really lose all powers at that time. Maybe he will lose his outside powers in the in-front-of-admin confrontation, and you will have your nice Luslec profile page there. What do you think?

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Then how do you explain the Danzon and Urek's first wrestling-like encounter and Urek exclaiming "let me show you my power too" with some Shiny blaze around him, like a bit of shinsoo exude by Danzon before. That shows me that Urek did not really lose all powers at that time. Maybe he will lose his outside powers in the in-front-of-admin confrontation, and you will have your nice Luslec profile page there. What do you think?

Yeah, a little of it was returning to him as he said but he doesn't have his powers yet which means I'm correct .


Also you can keep dreaming for that one, I've already won and i know it.

 

[NAMELESS]

I believe we should also add another feat to Enryu as coming and going out of tower as he pleases, and probably where he pleases.

Oh yeah, Urek can't claim that. Nice catch.

 

[Yelnats]

going out of tower as he pleases

How do you know? Didn't SIU say he is somewhere in the upper floor?

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

In this case, Enryu has no ranking either since it's not been said in the manhwa that he is N.2

Well he's not. To be a HR, he needs to alteast climb the tower, which he didn't. Idk why he is regarded as HR in the first place. Same with phanta.

 

[Yelnats]

Well he's not. To be a HR, he needs to alteast climb the tower, which he didn't. Idk why he is regarded as HR in the first place. Same with phanta.

Phanta reach Zahard's Palace, located at the current top.

 

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The only thing holding back Urek is that we don't know If he can use the full extent of his original powers. If he can, I have no reason to believe he loses to Enryu. But It is likely he can't use It, since it would make Urek too imbalanced compared to V and Zahard.

Of Course, SIU can very well give V all the thorns and Zahard some kind of overpowered contract, but Urek's hype has surely increased as his own story is greater universe-wise than ToG's story.

The question we have to ask is, how much is Urek’s innate energy multiplying his overall power by? Urek with raw physical strength is clearly below a non serious luslec. Enryu is thousands of times stronger than someone like luslec imo. Does Urek’s innate energy really give Urek that much power? Enryu destroyed an admin with ease. I don’t think Urek can beat Enryu right now. I just don’t see it to be honest. But SIU could definitely find a way to give Urek a big power up. For example, maybe time is slower inside of the tower than the outside, so as a result Urek’s growth was slowed down. But it yeah this is just my headcannon.

 

[arrowofsky]

Well he's not. To be a HR, he needs to alteast climb the tower, which he didn't. Idk why he is regarded as HR in the first place. Same with phanta.

HR is to be in the first 1000 among the ranking bureaus order, not necessarily climbing the tower. How ranking bureau ranks is ambiguous and I stopped considering it long ago.

How do you know? Didn't SIU say he is somewhere in the upper floor?

I don't know anything like that that was said by SIU, and what would be the purpose of Enryu being somewhere in the upper floor is beyond me. To be frank, it should be impossible for anyone in ToG to ensure if Enryu got out or not, as they should also be able to check the "exit" from the ToG to do so, hence, sounds illogical on second thought cause no towerborn knows how to get out, and no idea if Gustang or a FH knows how to get out or even Arlene if she really did. Maybe a reread on Enryu chapters and links to SIU's Enryu-related words might be beneficial to some extent.
Still, at least, Enryu came to ToG as he pleased, rather than getting lost.

Furthermore, because of this, there should be an account of ToG outside of it, which should mean something at some point, whether Enryu, outside god, or some other entities that previously got out of tower, or anything that created the ToG is related or not.

 

[Yelnats]

I don't know anything like that that was said by SIU, and what would be the purpose of Enryu being somewhere in the upper floor is beyond me. To be frank, it should be impossible for anyone in ToG to ensure if Enryu got out or not, as they should also be able to check the "exit" from the ToG to do so, hence, sounds illogical on second thought cause no towerborn knows how to get out, and no idea if Gustang or a FH knows how to get out or even Arlene if she really did. Maybe a reread on Enryu chapters and links to SIU's Enryu-related words might be beneficial to some extent.
Still, at least, Enryu came to ToG as he pleased, rather than getting lost.

Furthermore, because of this, there should be an account of ToG outside of it, which should mean something at some point, whether Enryu, outside god, or some other entities that previously got out of tower, or anything that created the ToG is related or not.

It turns out what SIU said was Enryu going to appear in latter part of the story, he did not mention the location.

All we know is that Urek was clueless when he entered the tower, so even if Enryu or others got out, any information from them did not reach Urek.

 

[maverickframe_19]

@MonsterBaam I think it has been mentioned in Urek's story when he entered the tower and fought the ranker. His powers were coming back to him. We still don't know if it has come back yet. Urek can use Sinshoo now and what if ever since he learned it he became op that way in the tower? His light powers are similar to Bam's sun power (if I have to guess)

We rarely see it because it's inherent and not of the tower. Hope you understood my point.

 

[sho87]

Bam will embodies the light side of phant and enryu somehow and become super irregular even above urek, like Luke skywalker.

 

[arrowofsky]

Bam will embodies the light side of phant and enryu somehow and become super irregular even above urek, like Luke skywalker.

I was sort of considering this when Baam was Wing tree member candidate-like, obtaining a miniature wing tree item etc., but then their relevancy just disappeared, we only heard about it even only some cases when Urek is around, while Baam was fugging.

 

[sho87]

I was sort of considering this when Baam was Wing tree member candidate-like, obtaining a miniature wing tree item etc., but then their relevancy just disappeared, we only heard about it even only some cases when Urek is around, while Baam was fugging.

It could still happen, Siu retcons like a madmanm