Discussion Utgard Timeline

[Beatrice]

During the events of the recent Arc, I happened to stumble upon the whole:

"XX After Titan Sighting".

With this thread, I thought I created the Timeline of Events for a better understand for the sake of collection.Also, it's just my gut but something feels off to me.Especially since chapter 42 begins with "Unusual times continue"
Anyway when did exactly what happen?

Starting Point is of course the Titan sighting coming from South.

Titan Sighting/Mikes Death.Midafternoon according to Nanaba.

3 Hours After Titan sighting - North Squad, Sasha's "Duel"
3 Hours after Titan sighting - West Squad, Nanaba proposes to go South to help the South Squad.
3 Hours after Titan sighting - South Squad Connie arrives at his village.
5 Hours After Titan sighting - Stationary Troops, 1st Division,Easter line of Defence/Trost, Rico and Verman fend off the Titans.Rico comments there "Is something..."
5 Hours After Titan sighting - Report to Hermiha/Wall Sina (North of Trost).There were 4 messengers."Titans appear from the Southwest"
6 Hours after Titan sighting - Stationary Troops - Wall Rose Counter Squad.Hannes commented that he has not encountered a single Titan.He came east, from Trost.
9 Hours after Titan sighting - South Squad unites with the West Squad.No Breach was found.The united Squad find Utgard.

18 Hours After Titan sighting - Hanji order to head to Utgard.​

20 Hours after Titan sighting - Hanji,Eren,Nick,Mikasa,Armin and Levi are within Wall Sina,on their way to Hermiha, heading to Utgard.
20 Hours after Titan sighting - Utgard is surrounded by Titans.Nanaba,Henning,Rene and Gerger die.​

 

[ImmortalZodd]

This was also mentioned it that parallel realities thread. And to answer your question from other thread, yes, this all happened in one day. Ryner kinda confirms it:
http://mangafox.me/manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/v11/c046/20.html

The problem of course is that when Erwin was informed on the day of the Annie incident was supposedly 2 days after the 'breach arc' started.
http://mangafox.me/manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/v08/c034/35.html (and next page)
I thought that maybe that moment was after Eren was rescued from RB in the current events, but still, the conversation on the meeting doesn't match since they are only talking about Annie.

18 Hours After Titan sighting - Hanji order to head to Utgard.
20 Hours after Titan sighting - Hanji,Eren,Nick,Mikasa,Armin and Levi are within Wall Sina,on their way to Hermiha, heading to Utgard.

It's also interesting that these two events were shown in the manga backwards.
http://mangafox.me/manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/v09/c037/1.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/v09/c038/43.html
The 18 hour after sighting was shown in ch38, and the 20 hour after was in ch37...woot?

 

[Utsune]

@Beatrice @ImmortalZodd
All your thoughts are more or less on the spot, including your confusion which is within reason, because Isayama changed more or less everything in the tankoubon!!!

I'll list out all the differences.

NOTE: In the tankoubon (TKB,) a lot of the times have been revised!!! I'll underline them to note the differences!!!

(HAS = hours after sighting)


"On the day, Erwin got summoned..."

"Bad news Commander Erwin!!"

"The following story happens 12 hours before the current event" ------ (Original = 2 days)

HAS --- Event

00 --- Titan Sighted
05 --- Sasha, Nanaba Ymir&Christa events ------ (Original = 3HAS)
06 --- Hannes
08 --- Pixis gets report ------ (Original = 5HAS)
09 --- Connie village, Rico, Hannes scene ------ (Original = 3HAS)
11 --- No breach, Utgard ------ (Original = 9HAS)
12 --- Erwin meeting ------ (Original = 2 days)
16 --- Hanji escorting Priest ------ (Original = 20HAS)
17 --- Hanji and EMA to Utgard ------ (Original = 18HAS)
20 --- Ape attack (4 Senpai dead)


Also, Reiner says "We've been at it since yesterday morning" ------ (Original = afternoon)




The following are my own assumptions and some extra ideas, I feel it is possible to place time stamps on the timeline thanks to (Isayama's revision of) Reiner's suggestion:

Note: Error is about +/- 1 hour

TIME --- HAS --- Event

Day 1
1000 --- 00 --- Titan Sighted, Annie event
1500 --- 05 --- Sasha, Nanaba Ymir&Christa events
1600 --- 06 --- Hannes
1800 --- 08 --- Pixis gets report
1900 --- 09 --- Connie village, Rico, Hannes scene (SUNSET @9~10HAS ?) (Hanji and Priest viewing the sunset around here?)
2100 --- 11 --- No breach, Utgard
2200 --- 12 --- Erwin meeting

Day 2
0200 --- 16 --- Hanji escorting Priest
0300 --- 17 --- Hanji and EMA to Utgard
0600 --- 20 --- Ape attack (4 Senpai dead) (SUNRISE @19~21HAS ?)


Undetermined times after Ape Attack:
EMA comes to save the day very soon after (give it 1 hour?)
Regroup and all that shizzle
RB fight
5 hours later Mikasa wakes up
RBY Eren conversation
Sunset (1900?)
etc

 

[ImmortalZodd]

So it was just a mistake on Ishiyama's part? :/

 

[Utsune]

It was really amazing effort on everyone's part, especially Huesoman from his thread, but all fault lies in Isayama.......................... I only just checked the raws myself earlier today and realised this... Basically he wrote the 'wrong' times for about 10 chapters if you include Reiner's speech...

But anyways, I think everyone who cares about the chronology should take note of the revised times... because it makes so much more sense now :/

@Beatrice
Is your argument/idea for whatever you have in mind still valid after this correction?... Since you were asking for confirmation in the other thread...

 

[mikasaaa]

Spoiler

@Beatrice @ImmortalZodd
All your thoughts are more or less on the spot, including your confusion which is within reason, because Isayama changed more or less everything in the tankoubon!!!

I'll list out all the differences.

NOTE: In the tankoubon (TKB,) a lot of the times have been revised!!! I'll underline them to note the differences!!!

(HAS = hours after sighting)


"On the day, Erwin got summoned..."

"Bad news Commander Erwin!!"

"The following story happens 12 hours before the current event" ------ (Original = 2 days)

HAS --- Event

00 --- Titan Sighted
05 --- Sasha, Nanaba Ymir&Christa events ------ (Original = 3HAS)
06 --- Hannes
08 --- Pixis gets report ------ (Original = 5HAS)
09 --- Connie village, Rico, Hannes scene ------ (Original = 3HAS)
11 --- No breach, Utgard ------ (Original = 9HAS)
12 --- Erwin meeting ------ (Original = 2 days)
16 --- Hanji escorting Priest ------ (Original = 20HAS)
17 --- Hanji and EMA to Utgard ------ (Original = 18HAS)
20 --- Ape attack (4 Senpai dead)


Also, Reiner says "We've been at it since yesterday morning" ------ (Original = afternoon)




The following are my own assumptions and some extra ideas, I feel it is possible to place time stamps on the timeline thanks to (Isayama's revision of) Reiner's suggestion:

Note: Error is about +/- 1 hour

TIME --- HAS --- Event

Day 1
1000 --- 00 --- Titan Sighted, Annie event
1500 --- 05 --- Sasha, Nanaba Ymir&Christa events
1600 --- 06 --- Hannes
1800 --- 08 --- Pixis gets report
1900 --- 09 --- Connie village, Rico, Hannes scene (SUNSET @9~10HAS ?) (Hanji and Priest viewing the sunset around here?)
2100 --- 11 --- No breach, Utgard
2200 --- 12 --- Erwin meeting

Day 2
0200 --- 16 --- Hanji escorting Priest
0300 --- 17 --- Hanji and EMA to Utgard
0600 --- 20 --- Ape attack (4 Senpai dead) (SUNRISE @19~21HAS ?)


Undetermined times after Ape Attack:
EMA comes to save the day very soon after (give it 1 hour?)
Regroup and all that shizzle
RB fight
5 hours later Mikasa wakes up
RBY Eren conversation
Sunset (1900?)
etc

This is invaluable, thank you! I had the raw tankoubon but didn't bother to check if Isayama changed the times, but anyway… this should be pinned somewhere! (until some Edited Manga group fixes their chapters)

No more parallel reality / time loops theories, I guess… SnK has too many weird theories already

 

[Huesoman]

. Maaaaaaaaaaaaan, I'm really sad now, I was hoping for a parallel reality/time loop story. But what makes me more mad is that it feels like Isayama is changing his original ideas, like making the story on the way, which isn't necessarilly bad, but I had such bad experiences in the past (X-Files, Lost, etc) and I don't wanna go through all of it again... .

 

[Utsune]

@mikasaaa
Haha 'many weird theories' I agree, but all we've done here is taken down the possibility of a loop during the wall breach events Don't get your hopes up yet.

@Huesoman
What I said to mikasaaa↑ So it's okay! Time loop stuff is still in effect!! hahaha

From the way I see it, Isayama doesn't draw useless scenes or dialogues... I can probably find a reason for everything, that's why I really like him as a mangaka/storyteller. It's an assumption anyway, but that means we're still missing that explanation for the 1st chapter at least!!