Battle Uvogin vs Youpi

[XXGenesis]

Gon vs Knuckle..Gon Fought Knuckle using KEN an advanced form of REN. A Defensive position where GYO is use to maintain an even enhanced aura around you,So RYU isn't necessary ...Gon stated that Even blocking with both arms & using Ken he felt the blows throughout his whole body & he would be K.O'd if he dropped KEN..This Is Gon's own Monologue during that fight.

During the same fight Knuckle explains MOP,POP,AOP...Gon & Killua's MOP-maximum Aura isn't on the Spiders level....AOP is the Amount of Aura capable of attacking with...Gon & Killua again cannot Use the same amount of Nen to punch or defend with as someone like the Spiders or knuckle can.

You get it now Tupadre?

Also looking over Knuckle's Two blind side attacks on Yuopi...Uvo's natural physical strength on top of his High Nen level I believe can actually dent Youpi's tough hide......Everyone remember Kite with 1hand was able to sort of rough up Pitou.

 

[Riyuki]

Lol so ridiculous that people actually think Gon and Killua could be equal to the Ryodan.

GON = Phinks?? Are you serious?? Knuckle beat the shit out of Gon and I HIGHLY doubt that Knuckle would be able to defeat any Ryodan member 1vs1, unless it's one of the weaker members like Shizuku.

 

[Copy Panda]

Were is the key word here. They didn't even have hatsu in yorknew. Chimera ant Gon and Killua are easily on par with the best fighters of the phantom troupe. Gon was on par with Phinks/Uvo and Killua could beat anyone except Chrollo with Godspeed. And yes Janken Rock=BBI they have comparable feats and are both sound hatsu.

How come Chimera Ant Gon is as strong as Phinks and Uvo all of a sudden? Are you kidding me? They are vastly more stronger, smarter and faster than Gon is. Killua's hatsu is a little haxy, but that doesn't mean he's suddenly stronger than any of them. Just because you have seen them more often doesn't mean they are actually better combatants than the troupe =_=

 

[Riyuki]

How come Chimera Ant Gon is as strong as Phinks and Uvo all of a sudden? Are you kidding me? They are vastly more stronger, smarter and faster than Gon is. Killua's hatsu is a little haxy, but that doesn't mean he's suddenly stronger than any of them. Just because you have seen them more often doesn't mean they are actually better combatants than the troupe =_=

THANK YOU! Absolutely agree completely. It's so fucking dumb to think that non-adult Gon in CA is THAT much stronger than in Yorknew.

I'm sure the majority of the troupe would absolutely wreck Knuckle. Knuckle is one of my favorite characters by the way and I think highly of him.

 

[Kanmuru]

How come Chimera Ant Gon is as strong as Phinks and Uvo all of a sudden? Are you kidding me? They are vastly more stronger, smarter and faster than Gon is. Killua's hatsu is a little haxy, but that doesn't mean he's suddenly stronger than any of them. Just because you have seen them more often doesn't mean they are actually better combatants than the troupe =_=

All of sudden? Don't forget the training they did with biske (G.I. and CA) the improvement since the auction is just insane, they barely knew nen back then xD

 

[Copy Panda]

You're saying that basic nen-control training would allow them to go toe to toe with battle hardened, experienced vets?

 

[kkck]

All of sudden? Don't forget the training they did with biske (G.I. and CA) the improvement since the auction is just insane, they barely knew nen back then xD

The progress they have made is remarkable but you have to consider that during their second training with bisk their focus was solely on nen volume and ken. They did not really focus on the details... In other words, gon and killua managed to increase the amount of nen they have and their ability to sustain ken but thats it. Their other skills probably did not change much beyond what they would get solely from fighting knuckle. This is particularly important when it comes to ryu which is basically the cornerstone of nen combat. Gon and killua have the nen of mid level hunters, as said by knuckle, but they are still basically worthless roockies when it comes to moving their nen around which is a pretty big deal considering the whole "cornerstone of nen combat" it has going on. The spiders are all presumably high level nen users who already have well behind them that sort of problems. I would go as far as arguing that kalluto's reaction to them is a pretty realistic summary of how gon and killua would do against the ryodan.

 

[Kanmuru]

The progress they have made is remarkable but you have to consider that during their second training with bisk their focus was solely on nen volume and ken. They did not really focus on the details... In other words, gon and killua managed to increase the amount of nen they have and their ability to sustain ken but thats it. Their other skills probably did not change much beyond what they would get solely from fighting knuckle. This is particularly important when it comes to ryu which is basically the cornerstone of nen combat. Gon and killua have the nen of mid level hunters, as said by knuckle, but they are still basically worthless roockies when it comes to moving their nen around which is a pretty big deal considering the whole "cornerstone of nen combat" it has going on. The spiders are all presumably high level nen users who already have well behind them that sort of problems. I would go as far as arguing that kalluto's reaction to them is a pretty realistic summary of how gon and killua would do against the ryodan.

They're 2 noobs, but they're very close to that lvl of skill. At this rate the spiders wouldn't be a problem for them in the next power up..
Based on the sort of lame performance of the troupe against the chimera ants, knuckle can give a run for their money to all spider members and he is not even at the level of morel..
Spiders overrated.

 

[kkck]

They're 2 noobs, but they're very close to that lvl of skill. At this rate the spiders wouldn't be a problem for them in the next power up..
Based on the sort of lame performance of the troupe against the chimera ants, knuckle can give a run for their money to all spider members and he is not even at the level of morel..
Spiders overrated.

But... why would we think that? Every single time the manga has actually refered to the kids skills they have invariably been called novices.They are in no form or context comparable in skill to an ant. Specifically its their "skills" where they fall short. Their nen volume is not bad, they can hold their combat for a whole and deliver powerful attacks. Their "skills" on the other hand are at best amateurish and stuff which the ryodan is already way ahead off. Nen flow, ryu, is the foundation of nen combat and as far as we know gon and killua are terrible at it. Odds are the ryodan also have significantly superior nen volumes to boost, even gon and killua only had the nen of mid level hunters according to knuckle...

As far as next powerups, for the time being that seems more than unlikely. Killua is of with alluka and gon does not even have nen. Neither is likely to get a quick boost in nen. And even those two probably don't have it in them to improve their nen flow significantly in a short amount of time, even for them it will likely take at least years to get their flow to be adequate. Knucle certainly has the level to be a spider (kalluto was accepted after all) but there is no way he can actually beat all of them. At least the combat oriented members (which is almost all of them...) are likely to kick knuckles ass. Uvo, nobunaga, feitan, phinx, bonolenov, chrollo and franklin have shown excellent nen at least and are all heavily combat oriented. Knuckle is outclassed at least against those guys. I mean, what could knuckle even do against those guys on his own? Uvo and phinx are proper enhancers with fully developed skills, knuckle would not win any exchange against them as he did against gon. Chrollo went toe to toe against two zoldicks, even one would be enough to beat knuckle... Feitan is so dangerous even the ryodan has to run away from fights he is in. Bonolenov can apparently crush people with dancing induced planets or something.

Just to show how unskilled gon and killua are to the ants, take a look at this:
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14237-13/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-228.html

WHen in the hell did feitan had the chance to use kou? Gon's rock is basically a generic ko, the exact same thing which feitain used on his sword and even then the speed at which they do it is dramatically different. Gon still takes a long time to charge it while feitan can do it basically in an instant. The main weakness of ko is the time it takes to charge and that you are left basically defenseless, which feitan did suffer, but what about uvo? Uvo used his big bang impact several times with minimal charging times. He was never left exposed or anything og the sort. And that speed is not a quirk of their technique or anything special, its simply a reflection of the overwhelming skill they have with nen.

 

[Riyuki]

Uvo would obviously get wrecked but I think he would've put up a better fight than anyone else did, minus Kanmaru Killua.

I find it really hard to believe that people actually think Knuckle and Shoot are equivalent to members of the Genrei Ryodan. I'm pretty sure every member would be able to defeat them, besides Korotopi. I would hope he could do more than just copy stuff.

 

[Machi-tan]

Okay...

I agree yet again. Youpi > Uvo.

Lets not get fancy and say Gon = Uvo/Any combat related Spider...

Now if Hisoka was physically the 3rd strongest.... Beaten only by Uvo and phinks.

I guess it's easy to simply say "Hey, Kurapika did it, so why not gon?" But if you draw the net of connections, and implications, it sounds kind of ridiculous. I mean (Physically) Uvo > Hisoka > Gon. This is clear from the York New arc. Unless you're saying current Gon could beat Hisoka?

But basically... BASICALLY since their enhancers this conversation shouldn't be that complicated. Their technique and combat is hellishly straight forward. No calculating utility on most of their attacks or anything, they just punch, bruise, and smash their way to victory.

An Enhancer's worth = Body condition * aura levels * skill level * experience; (Very watered down... but you get the point)

1. Uvo is physically superior to kid gon... Even physically similar to Adult Gon.

2. Uvo definitely has more Aura than kid gon. He's murdered by Adult Gon in this catagory.

3. Uvo definitely has more Skill being in the whole: Killing off Clans of experienced Nen users- type of life style. The MOST gon had to do at that point is beat a virtual reality game his father set up for him full of money-hungry lower tier hunters.

4. And Uvo has been fighting since before Gon was even a thought in his father/mother's heads. Gon has maybe a year? Of combat under his belt. Even 5 more years wouldn't ease him in this category..

You're right, gon is amazing at excelling. And I'm sure Gon + 10 more years might be able to fight Uvo. But lets not get swept under the waves of MC powerups and assume Gon is god. Because Gon got stomped all over by a Hunter in-progress. And we know for a fact that the Spiders are at least S-class marks. I mean if you take away from the fact that the combat zodiacs are near Netero's tier of power, and Hisoka finds most of them 'boring' marks but is excited at the thought of fighting the Spiders... It kind of says something about the Levels of power that rest in the upper tiers of the spiders.

 

[Copy Panda]

I agree with a large portion of your statement, but not all Spiders are at Hisoka's level, so just because he finds them somewhat boring, doesn't mean all the spiders would have an easy time >.<

 

[Demonspeed]

Hisoka doesn't find the Zodiacs boring, he found the all others Hunters who were present at this moment excepted them and Illumi boring.

Kurapika won against Uvo but his conditions for his Nen helped a lot, Gon will surpass definitely surpass Uvo, though I find 10 years is too long. His Aura was already at the level of a Mid Class Pro prior his intensive training in the CA arc, he trains regularly and he is a genius. I don't think Uvo and Adult Gon are similar physically, Gon's feats were much better, Uvo is rather slow in comparison, Kurapika was faster than him and managed to hit him a few times without his chains. Gon's body is supposed to be the result of a decade of years dedicated to raining, though Uvo is an experienced fighter, he certainly didn't train this much.

 

[Machi-tan]

Firstly, talking about pure physical build here. Like Muscle vs Muscular build (All the frills removed) They are pretty comparable. In fact Uvo looks larger in musculature than adult gon. Obviously at the sacrifice of agility and muscular reflex but I was talking pure base build.

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^ Now that picture's scaling is WAY off. Uvo is 8'6" Confirmed officially. Adult gon is about 6'2-4" Fan based math, so he wouldn't be any taller than something Generous like 7 feet. Uvo would tower over Adult gon. But their heights aren't important. What i was trying to say is physical build is in the same ball park. I won't deny adult Gon's Body building career is looking great, but Uvo is definitely no slacker, he has more muscular mass than Adult Gon, hands down if you include the fact that taller body = more mass. Gon's muscle just seems to be much more functional.

Gon honestly eats Uvo's face in Aura, which has a multiplicative effect on an Enhancer's strength, which would cause a HUGE difference in final combat strength. But just basic no frills body build, it seems to go to Uvo, if you throw in the fact that his body is much larger in the first place and he needs easily like 40 extra lbs of muscle to cover it thanks to the height difference.


And I don't know how we would determine exactly how much Uvo 'trained'? I'm assuming he became an S-class mark in the Hunters association because of the fact that he trained his body to that point. We honestly don't know much about Uvo besides the fact that he lost in a fight vs someone whose abilities were created specifically for defeating him. Kurapika's speed should be a mute point i personally think, i mean he was always considered just as fast as Kill pre-hatsu. And we've seen that Killua could behead most enemies in the blink of an eye ff he calms himself into his assassin mind set and strikes. Also Kurapika was under death imposition. From what we've seen with Gon, covenants don't just affect your hatsu, but your base Nen/condition as well, it's invoked quite differently. Him being faster than Uvogin just seems like a natural reaction to his body being under that covenant.



Secondly, I only said that because when he was 'ranking' them in the anime (Not sure if this scene played out differently in the Manga, and if so I apologize) he seemed unimpressed by most of the ones present except for one. Who still wasn't quite as good as Illumi in his eyes. Which is valid when you consider how excitable he got over Gon, because he basically senses where gon's power is going to head in the future and wants an opponent like that. He's almost equally excited over Chrollo and the thought of the Upper tier spiders coming after him. And the thought of murdering Killua and getting Illumi to hate him.

So while they might not 'bore' him. He certainly is more interested/invested in 'playing' with the spiders and with Adult Gon.

-At this point Hisoka is going to become the unit by which all hunters worth are measured haha-

 

[XXGenesis]

Kurapicka's Main Offence against Uvogin was his Chain & his Hatsu. Other than that only his Speed was better than Uvogin's. Strength wise Uvogin obviously was stronger and Nen Aura wise I say they were just about equal..Kurapicka Still shattered an entire arm guarding against BBI...Anyways Kurapicka's Physical strikes against Uvo weren't that effective.

Uber Gon is definitely physically stronger than Uvogin, much faster than Kurapicka and has More Aura than Netero.

 

[Kanmuru]

Take this in consideration..
-Kurapicka was super unexperienced in nen fights (amateur) however he did a good job fighting (i'm not talking about his HAX chain) and he was even faster than uvo :¬|
-Chimera ant Gon is miles ahead than Kurapicka from yorknew but Kuckle was playing with him easily, so..
Kuckle >>>> Uvo in terms of fighting skills/speed
I don't know why you see Uvo as an Enhancer god, the powerlevel of yorknew is so behind compared to CA.. : /

Gon's rock right now is capable of doing this small crater (5 meters of diameter)
An this is the "almighty" BBI..

 

[kkck]

When has gon showed his rock is even remotely as powerful as uvo's BBI? We have no reason to believe gon's rock could have the same effect as BBI. I don't think there is any manga instance that really backs up such a claim even during the chimera ant arc. One way or the other uvo is the most competent enhancer we have seen to date (safe for netero or yupi). He had that stuff down, he could use his BBI at full power and leaving his entire body defenseless never proved an issue to him. The guy was by all intents and purposes a monster of insane strength. Why would we think there is any aspect in which knucle or shoot would be a match against at least the competent fighters in the ryodan? Uvo was by all intents and purposes a monster of insane strength. The guy was there when they killed the kurata clan, presumably competent nen users who got stronger when they activated their red eyes (he didn't do it alone but stil, quite the significant achievement). I don't get why uvo and the ryodan get so underestimated around here.

 

[Copy Panda]

Agreed

Another point of interest is that Gon has to be stationary and charge up Rock, and get drained, while Uvo can just pump out BBI repeatedly

Also, that 5 meter mentioned would be the area directly around Uvo, while the entire area around him also got blown away. Anyhow, I think you overestimate Gon and underestimate Uvo

 

[Kanmuru]

When has gon showed his rock is even remotely as powerful as uvo's BBI? We have no reason to believe gon's rock could have the same effect as BBI. I don't think there is any manga instance that really backs up such a claim even during the chimera ant arc. One way or the other uvo is the most competent enhancer we have seen to date (safe for netero or yupi). He had that stuff down, he could use his BBI at full power and leaving his entire body defenseless never proved an issue to him. The guy was by all intents and purposes a monster of insane strength. Why would we think there is any aspect in which knucle or shoot would be a match against at least the competent fighters in the ryodan? Uvo was by all intents and purposes a monster of insane strength. The guy was there when they killed the kurata clan, presumably competent nen users who got stronger when they activated their red eyes (he didn't do it alone but stil, quite the significant achievement). I don't get why uvo and the ryodan get so underestimated around here.

Yeah, such a monster and he lost to an inexperienced kid. Besides 100% use of categories, kurapika was still a noob (at that time killua could just wipeout his heart in a second before he even notice) The likes of hisoka/kuroro would not be defeated by a kid. You're giving uvo too much credit and he have done nothing but lose and being outmatched in speed.
If you don't think Knuckle is a more skilled fighter than Uvo (not talking about raw power) I don't know what manga you're reading..
About the power of Gon's rock, Morel being scared is enough proof to me (he went face to face with RG) Kurapika saw BBI and he was like "ok i'm tanking this."

 

[Copy Panda]

Are you serious? You do realize Kurapika had a power created specifically to fight the spiders, and only the spiders? .-.