Discussion War at Marineford: Different Outcomes

[RezzieThaRapper]

If Bonney showed up like Luffy & Law did and used her ability to bring Whitebeard to his youth... how much difference do you "hypothesis" would occur...

1 - I would expect to see at the very least Sengoku & Garp get active earlier...
2 - I would expect to see the Shichibukai be utilized more...
3 - I would expect a battlefield that truly looked like hell...
4 - I would expect BB's Crew would play a huge role in even damaging WB

 

[Schabrak]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

If him means Whitebeard, he would have rocked the show even more than he already did, but we can't be sure how he would fare against a Garp & Sendoku double-team.

* Marco wouldn't have been shot by Borsalino or get the kairoseki hand-cuffs
* The moral of the WB crew would be much higher
* The Akainu VS WB fight might have ended with a complete head opon Newgates shoulders

Also being old might not have decreased his DF powers at all.

 

[Naruffy]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

Whitebeard in his prime? I would expect Ace to be alive and Marineford to be at the bottom of the sea.

 

[Zehahaha]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

Well... I see no one handling WB at his prime (except Roger, Garp and Sengoku at their prime).
There's just one thing that's been bothering me tho... That BB who was so sure that he could take on both Sengoku and Garp ran away when only Akainu showed up...

Anyway, seeing how WB was being awesome despite being old, I have ne doubts about his power in his prime.

 

[Uriel]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

Now that I see what you mean...It's actually quite fearsome power the one Bonney has. War would have been totally different. I wonder if Haki can go around it. :O

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

Nah dont make WB younger.Just make the Marines older.

 

[blamagenkind]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

Now that I see what you mean...It's actually quite fearsome power the one Bonney has. War would have been totally different. I wonder if Haki can go around it. :O

I think Haki counters it, 'cause I can't remember any Haki users getting affected being shown yet. But then it would be almost worthless in the new world. It's really scary if it can't be countered, maybe it lasts only for a few minutes.

 

[tret16]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

actually haki doesn't revers techniques that are made againts an enemy. i mean if say ace shot a fireball at an enemy with haki, the enemy would still get burned. All haki is able to do againts DF users is foresee attacks, increase attacks and allow you to make contact with logia types and also rarer paramecia DF like luffy's. so haki doesn't help againts bonney.

 

[Uriel]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

actually haki doesn't revers techniques that are made againts an enemy. i mean if say ace shot a fireball at an enemy with haki, the enemy would still get burned. All haki is able to do againts DF users is foresee attacks, increase attacks and allow you to make contact with logia types and also rarer paramecia DF like luffy's. so haki doesn't help againts bonney.

I suggest reading Rayleigh explanation again. Busoshoku works like an armor. It DOES mean that not only allows you to hit a Logia, it also allows you to defend against any attack. Example: See Admirals defending with Bushoshoku Marineford against Whitebeard.

 

[Zehahaha]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

We don't know whether or not it will defend against a non physical attack... I mean, it's not like Bonney uses punches and kicks to make people younger or older.

 

[tret16]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

Busoshoku like you said work like armor. It blocks all attacks, it's not specifically directed towards DF type of attacks... It works againt regular punches and kicks as well... It does not reverse the effects of an attack, it simply blocks them. The only time it reverses an effect is when the person using Haki is attacking a none tangeble person, in which it only solidify's there body upon impact.

So say if Ace were to surprise attack a marine and actually burn him. The marine afterwards would not be able to heal that burn simply because it was done by a DF ability... That form of haki is only able to prevent the ability before it happen, not after... So for a person like bonney, Haki does nothing since your able to hit her without haki and also they wouldn't be able to do anything after she used her ability on you. And even if you could use haki that way, you STILL wouldn't be able to do anything because you would either be too young and unable to channel any energy anywhere since your a baby or too old to be able to move. Also i'm not sure if she ages your mind as well since when we saw her change marines at SA the babies were crying and the old guys seem to really think they were old men. so i'm not sure on that front.

 

[Sea Hunter]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

Whitebeard in his prime? I would expect Ace to be alive and Marineford to be at the bottom of the sea.

Pretty much this.

 

[tret16]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

lol, ya whitebeard would most likely be alive and also Ace, i wouldn't be 100% on Ace being alive though but deffinitly whitebeard would be alive. The only reason he was injured as far as he was, was because he was already on the edge of death. If he was at full strength then he would have been able to dodge squado's attack and those not have an injury. and also his illness or whatever he had goin on would have been gone as well.

 

[Uriel]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

Not reverse it, but definitely avoid it. Like a wall, you know. So you could avoid being affected by it in the first place. If not Chopper works for nothing :/

I would put Boa case, but the only one with Haki that we saw confronting was Momonga and He avoided it by Kenbunshoku.

 

[Surprise]

Whitebeard War Game Change

In a WW2 class at my school we had to speculate how it would've gone differently if a significant part of the war had gone another way. I thought it would be fun to do this for Marineford.
Here are a couple of scenarios I thought up, feel free to speculate
1:Whitebeard has no heart issue in the middle of the war
2: Luffy and the Impel Downers never arrive
3:The rest of the mugiwaras are present
4:One or more supernovae interfere
5:Blackbeard doesn't interfere
6:Shanks arrives earlier
7: Oars Jr. doesn't stop the seige wall from rising
8: Squardo doen't get fooled by Akainu
9: Ace doesn't engage Akainu
10: Shanks doesn't arrive

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Re: Whitebeard War Game Change

In a WW2 class at my school we had to speculate how it would've gone differently if a significant part of the war had gone another way. I thought it would be fun to do this for Marineford.
Here are a couple of scenarios I thought up, feel free to speculate
1:Whitebeard has no heart issue in the middle of the war
2: Luffy and the Impel Downers never arrive
3:The rest of the mugiwaras are present
4:One or more supernovae interfere
5:Blackbeard doesn't interfere
6:Shanks arrives earlier
7: Oars Jr. doesn't stop the seige wall from rising
8: Squardo doen't get fooled by Akainu
9: Ace doesn't engage Akainu
10: Shanks doesn't arrive

Well,according to your speculations
1.If WB had no heart issues,he still has aging health problems
2.If Luffy and the ID prisoners nvr arrive then maybe Ace would have been killed much eariler lol im just saying
3.Wouldn't do much damage to the war cause they're rookies compared to WB and his allies
4.That depends on whose side they're on.The killing WB side or the Help WB first then try and kill him
5.WB would still die and if Ace was still alive,they would have won the war if they retreated
6.Depends on how early.If he arrives before the war "officially" starts,the marines would get their @ss wooped.If half way through,Ace wouldn't have died since 2 yonkous can practically destroy the whole Marine organization
7.Then WB allies would get owned more then they had been
8.Squardo would probably get killed by Akainu if he doesn't take the bait,and WB would still own the Marines and get punched by Akainu,just a matter of time before WB's health act up.
9.Ace wouldn't have died then since WB allies got haki users
10.Then its goodbye Coby,Prolonged war,More damage on both sides

 

[Ratatosk]

Re: Whitebeard War Game Change

If the rest of the straw-hats were there, most of them would be dead. I mean Luffy only just survived.
That was the point of Kuma asking Nami if Luffy was Ace's brother. He wasn't just saving them from Kizaru, he was sending them far away before they heard about the execution, because he knew they would interfere and get themselves killed.

If Luffy and Impel Downers never arrived, Whitebeard may still have rescued Ace, but more of his crew would be dead, and Akainu could still have easily provoked Ace into a fight and killed him.

Funny thing is Luffy and Blackbeard - if either of their plans had failed, the other would too. If Luffy didnt break into Impel Down, considering how easily his crew were poisoned Blackbeard would probably have failed. And if Blackbeard's crew hadn't hypnotised the gatekeepers to open the gates, Luffy and the prisoners wouldn't have made it to the war.

 

[Schabrak]

Re: Whitebeard War Game Change

Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford has a similar topic, so it would be nice if the two threads would merged into one.



1: Probably less sacrifices/victims on Whitebeards side, still a loss.
2: Ace wouldn't have been freed and die with a lot of other pirates.
3: Even more chaotic with a lot of casualities on the Mugiwaras side.
4: One or more supernovae interfere.
5: No game changer, but plot changer^^
6: When earlier?
7: Many more sacrifices/victims on the pirate side, probably a huuuuge loss for the WB pirates, but that's no secret.
8: The WB commanders would have lost less, but no real game changer
9: Luffy might have died or not, who knows.
10: The obvious consequence.

If him means Whitebeard, he would have rocked the show even more than he already did, but we can't be sure how he would fare against a Garp & Sendoku double-team.

* Marco wouldn't have been shot by Borsalino or get the kairoseki hand-cuffs
* The moral of the WB crew would be much higher
* The Akainu VS WB fight might have ended with a complete head opon Newgates shoulders

Also being old might not have decreased his DF powers at all.

edit: Like War at Marineford: Twilight Zone Ed. haha

 

[Uriel]

Moderator Notice:
Thanks for the suggestion. If anyone has a better name for this thread, let me know.~ Uriel

 

[Kukriblades]

Re: Would the outcome have been different if Bonney showed up at Marineford

Whitebeard in his prime? I would expect Ace to be alive and Marineford to be at the bottom of the sea.

Don't think so.

Marine side barely unleashed their full power. Garp and Sengoku hardly did anything, not to mention shichibukai's top tier like Doflamingo and Kuma who didn't even try to attack WB at all. Mihawk tried once but he wasn't even serious at the time.