WB Pirates Discussion Thread

[Lord Rayleigh]

If roger was a rookie brook can remember, then roger was already a pirate over 50 years ago. A rookies age can vary as we have seen with the supernova so when roger was a rookie he was at around 18-35 years old.

Roger conquered the Grand Line in 3 years. He died 1 year after that. And he must not have been for a long time a pirate in the East Blue (Logue Town is near one of the entrances of the GL). So, I guess he has been a pirate for 4-5 years.
According to what Roger looked like, I think he must have been around the 30-40.

 

[Poneglyph420]

Roger conquered the Grand Line in 3 years. He died 1 year after that. And he must not have been for a long time a pirate in the East Blue (Logue Town is near one of the entrances of the GL). So, I guess he has been a pirate for 4-5 years.
According to what Roger looked like, I think he must have been around the 30-40.

It's hard to say...
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/506/11/

Here it seems like that was just one of many adventures of the Jolly Roger Pirates..
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/506/12/
And here Rayleigh seems like he is acknowledging Crocus as a Nakama even though he was not a lifelong member...

Seems to me him and Garp were nearly the same ages..maybe Garp was a little older...

HMM???

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Indeed. They conquered the GL three years after Crocus became their nakama, and Roger died four years after Crocus joined them.
But as you said, three years is said to be not a lot by Rayleigh. So, they must have travel a lot before conquering the GL. Maybe they visited all the Sky Islands before (the Gulf Stream is not the common way to get to the White Sea and normally you must visit a lot of other sky islands before seeing Skypiea).

 

[kal-elh]

I think that Roger was younger than both WB and Garp, Garp was in the marine 40 years ago and I think he was already famous back then non the less WB was probably a very big shot when Roger came around and the thing is that he had a deadline ( literally ). remember when WB asked ACE why he was in such a hurry ( to get to raftel and to try to defeat him ) and that he could sail under his wing for as mutch time as he wanted.

In my opinion WB didn't get to Raftel cuz he simply doesant want to ( or he is not ready, but he sure is capable of doing so ), Roger came to be caled Pirate King cuz he got to raftel and WB is the Emperor of the seas cuz heliterally rule the seas ( the new world, he probably has the largest piece of the 4 emperors ) and he is fered even by the WG it self cuz he has enough power to obliterate the world.

 

[kkck]

Roger conquered the Grand Line in 3 years. He died 1 year after that. And he must not have been for a long time a pirate in the East Blue (Logue Town is near one of the entrances of the GL). So, I guess he has been a pirate for 4-5 years.
According to what Roger looked like, I think he must have been around the 30-40.

That does not rule out what I said though. roger died 22 years ago which means by that time brook had been drifting for around 28 years. If we assume roger was at least 18 years old when he became a rookie(the youngest a pirate should be probably) then we have 18 + 28 = 46. And then again, it is possible roger was a pirate trainee even before he became a rookie. Also, if roger had been any older than 18 when he became a rookie he would be even older by now lol.

Now, we have no idea of what roger did before starting his journey around the GL(all we know is that he was a rookie around 50 years ago thanks to brook) but I would think he was already a pirate for a long time before his final journey.

 

[Razh]

Now, we have no idea of what roger did before starting his journey around the GL(all we know is that he was a rookie around 50 years ago thanks to brook) but I would think he was already a pirate for a long time before his final journey.

Yeah. It's hard to imagine him as a traveling merchant or a fisherman.

 

[kkck]

WHy could he not just be a regular pirate before that? It is possibly roger had a more normal life before his final trip but I would think he was a pirate for most of his life if not all. I doubt rogers entire life and only feat is to cross the GL. According to what brook said and assuming he is correct, roger probably was a pirate his entire life otherwise by now roger would be over 100 lol. I do think the guy brook was talking about was roger BTW, oda hints at things like that all the time.

 

[Razh]

I would think that Roger is about the same age as Garp. Garp should be about 65-70, seeing how he has a grown son and a grandchild aged 17.
My guess is Roger was about Luffy's age when he became a pirate. That was 50 years ago.
The whole stuff about him not conquering Grand Line until he was quite older is not that weird. It's possible that the log poses weren't that common at that time. Sailors could have been sailing through Grand Line like some labyrinth without end.

I also think that Whitebeard is about the same age. He should be in the late 60s now or younger. I don't think he was older than Roger.

 

[madmotoristmonk]

Getting back on the subject of Whitebeard's crew

If you notice, Whitebeard has two different jolly rogers. There is the skull and crossbones seen on commander Ace, and the flag itself. While some of the veterans; Marco, Atomos, Jozu, and some of the older commanders in panel during the intial sieze hold the "crecent moon shaped like the titular pirates 'stache"

I present this theory, we know that age means about jack diddely in the one piece world. (i.e. Kureha is admittedly 100+ years old and still has an athletic figure, Shakky being retired from pirating for 40 years and still looking milfish in her 30's, and lets not get started on Aokiji not aging a day in 20 years)

So I'm saying, we take Marco and Jozu, the 1st and 3rd division captains/commanders sporting what i believe to be the "throwback" Whitebeard isignia. You only see this on the older guys on the ship mostly. Now i admit, in panel you see some of the "youngsters" sporting the throwback, but I'll chalk that up to some guys wanting that cause it looks cooler.

I believe Marco, Jozu, Atamos, and alot of the older commanders and crew have been with whitebeard for a while, and since Teach himself stated he spent "decades" on Whitebeards ship, I can imagine 'ol Whitebeards been in the game for a minute. Roger too, maybe he didn't start his grand voyage 'till he knew he would die--a final hurrah if you will.

I know i offered very little physical evidence, and presented it only by reference and i apologize to my detratctors and anyone who agrees by not validating this more, but its 10:44pm and I'm a lil tired.

thanks for reading

 

[LoS]

I would think that Roger is about the same age as Garp. Garp should be about 65-70, seeing how he has a grown son and a grandchild aged 17.

Garp clearly looked older than Roger in his Roger & Garp jail convo flashback.

 

[Razh]

Garp clearly looked older than Roger in his Roger & Garp jail convo flashback.

He just had gray sideburns. Some people get gray hairs earlier. If you think about it, Garp can't be more than a couple of years older than Roger.

 

[goldb]

steering this back to WB Pirates, madmotoristmonk made a good point I've been wanting to mention about the different WB insignia there has been.

There's the revamped jolly roger and the other one on Marco's chest:

Spoiler

if you look at the current chapters, you'll see them everywhere on the WB pirates. So is it a case of old school and new school? or something else?

Discuss...

PS. I'm going with madmotoristmonk's theory on this, cos at first when this chapter(434) came out, I thought they had different insignia because it was part of Marco's original crew that had joined up with WB when he came onboard, But after seeing so many captains and crew members with it, I'm starting to think this was WB's old jolly roger that the old guys have.

 

[Razh]

It's just a simplified version of Whitebeard's skull and bones. Ace probably wanted something different so he had himself a more detailed tattoo.

I always thought that. Wouldn't put too much significance on it.

 

[Akainu]

He just had gray sideburns. Some people get gray hairs earlier. If you think about it, Garp can't be more than a couple of years older than Roger.

Let's see:
Roger has a child at the age of around 20 called Ace
Garp has a child named Dragon who has a child at the age of 17 called Luffy

even if we assume Roger was "old" when he impregnated Portgas D. Rouge we would still have a result of a good decade between those two, no?

 

[Razh]

Let's see:
Roger has a child at the age of around 20 called Ace
Garp has a child named Dragon who has a child at the age of 17 called Luffy

even if we assume Roger was "old" when he impregnated Portgas D. Rouge we would still have a result of a good decade between those two, no?

I don't see what would be wrong with Roger having a baby with 40 years or more. It happens all the time. He only settled down in the last year of his life. Probably didn't have time for a serious relationship earlier.
He was a rookie 50 years ago. I don't think he was a rookie at the age of 5-10.

 

[BlackHair]

Sry for my late answer.

I'd actually think WB is about 70.... Specially assuming he was roger's age. Take a look at this:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/506/09/

If roger was a rookie brook can remember, then roger was already a pirate over 50 years ago. A rookies age can vary as we have seen with the supernova so when roger was a rookie he was at around 18-35 years old. Roger and WB could be anywhere between 68 and 85 years old.

You are completely right. Roger was a rocky 50 years ago. I totally forgott what Brook said back on SA. I just assumed Roger and WB were back 22-25 years ago around at Shanks (now) age, 37.

So it must be as u said 68-85.

 

[madmotoristmonk]

I see all the points you guys are raisning, and every last one contains some validity.

However, it bugs me that Teach said he spent "decades on whitebeards ship" waiting for his coveted aku no mi. Now i don't speak a lick of japanese, but if it was a literal translation of decades then that means that Whitebeard has been pirating for almost half a century ( i.e. if he's 70ish, perhaps he started in his twenties/thirties)

Does anyone know the original line used by Teach and what it means?

 

[Razh]

I think he spent around 20 years with Whitebeard pirates. Maybe 30, but that's already too much. If he's around 40 now, then it had to be about 20 years.

 

[Poneglyph420]

I think teach says how many tens of year's did I wait.. Referring to his hunt for the Yami Yami no mi.. So Maybe 20 some odd years would be right..
This means Whitebeard has had a long history..
I assume Roger had a good ten or 15 years, he probably made trouble for a long time but was only made famous for his last 4 years or so..

I thought all the IV medication WB had must of had to do with his age and long history.
I'd say WB would indeed be in his 60's or early 70's. He is a legend among men now.

I'm excited to see all his commanders in action.. Especially Ace!

 

[BlackHair]

Garp clearly looked older than Roger in his Roger & Garp jail convo flashback.

Imo Smoker is to Luffy just like Garp was to Roger. Since Smoker is older than Luffy, I also think Garp was older than Roger. They grey sideburns in the flashback proofs it I guess.

About Blackbeard I think he is in his late 30s (35-40). So he was probably around two decades on WB's ship.

Of course everything I just posted is just out of my assumption, not like I have any proofs or whatsoever.