WB Pirates Discussion Thread

[Lewyn]

No proof to support it, but it would be awesome if the former second division commander was Fisher Tiger, who left the crew to free the slaves and then became the captain of the sun pirates (and maybe allied with the WBs).
Against this theory the facts he's called "the adventurer"(synonymous of lonely?) and there was no reference to WB in Boa's tale.

 

[zagorka]

Really? You think WB is around the age of 65? I'd say he's more like in his early 80's. He has white hair from his depiction in Chapter 0. I think it's reasonable to say he's around 80 years old. He may age differently based on the fact that he's sort of a giant, but not really a giant. Just an abnormally large human.

 

[LoS]

I have always chalked him up as older than Roger and at Shakky and Garp's age.

 

[kkck]

Really? You think WB is around the age of 65? I'd say he's more like in his early 80's. He has white hair from his depiction in Chapter 0. I think it's reasonable to say he's around 80 years old. He may age differently based on the fact that he's sort of a giant, but not really a giant. Just an abnormally large human.

I think this was already discussed lol. WB is at least as old as gold roger was(not a day younger IMHO). Given brooks comment at shakky's bar it seems like roger was a rookie 50 years ago. Now, a rookie, in the same sense as a supernova, would have to be at least at around 18 years of age. In that sense, roger and WB in the current timeline would be no less than 68 years old. Granted, WB could be older than that. That seems quite right for raileights age though.

 

[Razh]

He has white hair from his depiction in Chapter 0.

How can you be sure, that his hair is white? It's black and white manga after all. Not much liberty with colors...

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I don't think he would talk like that if he was a member of the crew. Not much was said in the short exchange against Vista. Bista was even surprised that Mihawk heard of him.

You got a good point here. Vista was shown in the Strong Word : Chapter 0 to be a WB pirate 20 years ago. Then, if Mihawks had been the 2nd commander of WB, it would be impossible for Vista to be surprised that Mihawks heard about him. And that is obvious Mihawks can't have been a WB pirate before that (time issue) : Mihawk was very young 20 years ago and Vista wasn't a new WB pirate (he was already standing near WB).

 

[beastboy]

I don't know why.. but I always put WB at around the same age that Dr.Kureha xD.. around his 120 years..
He is free and lives happy.. isn't that what is needed for a long life.. so he can live that long..
Marco must be around shanks age, jozz must be 3 years older (putting marco 17 years old at that time, and jozz 20), Vista must be around 45 years old..

ps:I think WB is that old cause a 37 year old person looks like marco, and shanks, so WB should be in his 60's at least.. 20 years ago.. but he wouldn't be dying so young.. so I would put him 100 years ar lest, by the time this war is happening..!

Marco:37
Jozz:40
Vista:45
WB: 100~120

Thats how I would put it! xD

 

[Fox666]

Well, Shanks in Chapter 0 looked like a boy, while Marco was pretty much like now.

About Whitebeard's age, hmm, he doesn't seem that old for me. Maybe 70's, but 80 is too much.

 

[Samui]

Really? You think WB is around the age of 65? I'd say he's more like in his early 80's. He has white hair from his depiction in Chapter 0. I think it's reasonable to say he's around 80 years old. He may age differently based on the fact that he's sort of a giant, but not really a giant. Just an abnormally large human.

Hm, no. Today Whitebeard's hair is brown, so I wouldn't say that his hair was white 20 years ago.

 

[Bugzee]

Whether WB is 60, 65 or 85+ he bloody moves well for his age! hahahaha

About WB's old crew - some may have disbanded, some obviously may have been killed in battle against Roger or even Sengoku?? (Its been stated that they've fought in the past) Well, just a thought anyway!

I personally think Roger was younger then WB imo.


and...WTF I can't ever see Mihawk being part of WB's crew in the past. Just doesn't sound right to me. There shouldn't be too much of a age gap between Shanks & Marco imo.

 

[Poneglyph420]

Wb would indeed be Roger's senior IMO. I don't see how we could ever know their ages without an SBS to confirm..

I also agree with Jinbei that Mihawk as a WB pirate sounds off...
I'd hope he'd not need anyone... He's too cool for that..

 

[Dice]

Can't believe it. I was reading the same chapter earlier today and I intended to raise the question about the former 2nd division commander here.
Talk about synchronicity.

The person could have died, or maybe retired. There are a lot of possibilities. It is also possible that it's not really that important, but I don't think so.

Yeah things like that are kinda strange. Isn't there a kind of 'law' that says something like that? I think I read somewhere that there were many inventions made almost at the same by different people in different places in the world without any knowledge of the other.

But back to topic:
So Mihawk was definitly never a member of Whitebeard's crew.
A thing that came to my mind right now: What if Kaidou or the unknown Yonkou were the second division commander? The seat would have been empty for quite some time but strenght-wise it could fit. Furthernore I thought about Shanks being an ex-member of Roger and now being a Yonkou. So the possibility that someone of WB's crew could be a Yonkou aswell is not that farfetched.
Althogether it is still a bit farfetched but I thought about a person that could have a role as the story progress and a person we know (well kind of ).
At least it's a possiblity.


On Whitebeard's age: I always thought that he is past his early 60s at least. Around 70-75 maybe while Marco is around 38-43 just like Shanks.
I don't think that Whitebeard is over 9000 100 year's old.

 

[Dark God Zeus]

Is it just me, or were the Whitebear pirates rather weak?

So here we have the largest (?) pirate crew in the world, and potentially the strongest pirate crew in the world.

Whitebeard himself: In the battle at Marineford, he did the following things.
1. Hit aokiji with a normal quake attack, shattering him, only for him to reform.
2. Took out Ronse with one or two attacks (vice admiral)
3. Took out John Giant with an attack
4. Hit aokiji again....no damage
5. did one quake hit to akainu....he still got up and did much more damage to whitebeard
6. Didn't do anything to Kizaru....
7. Does some decent damage against blackbeard

And his top commanders
Marco
1. tied with one hit against kizaru
2. fought aokiji
3. Got a small hit against akainu

Jozu
1. Takes mihawk's slash
2. Does damage against crocodile and aokiji
3. Gets his shit rocked by aokiji

Vista
1. Held his ground against Mihawk
2. Did some damage to akainu
3. Blocked a giant's attack

Ace
1. Tied with aokiji
2. Tied with Jinbei before
3. Tied with Smoker (kind of)
4. Bested by Blackbeard, doing some damage.

So...more or less with have a couple slight victories, with the most part showing the whitebeard pirates can hold their own....but is that really enough to be called one of the most powerful pirate crews in the world? They didn't take down or heavily injure a shichibukai, or an admiral, at best they only took out a couple VAs, and hundreds/thousands of fodder marines.

 

[The Don Master T]

Re: Is it just me, or were the Whitebear pirates rather weak?

So here we have the largest (?) pirate crew in the world, and potentially the strongest pirate crew in the world.

Whitebeard himself: In the battle at Marineford, he did the following things.
1. Hit aokiji with a normal quake attack, shattering him, only for him to reform.
2. Took out Ronse with one or two attacks (vice admiral)
3. Took out John Giant with an attack
4. Hit aokiji again....no damage
5. did one quake hit to akainu....he still got up and did much more damage to whitebeard
6. Didn't do anything to Kizaru....
7. Does some decent damage against whitebeard

And his top commanders
Marco
1. tied with one hit against kizaru
2. fought aokiji
3. Got a small hit against akainu

Jozu
1. Takes mihawk's slash
2. Does damage against crocodile and aokiji
3. Gets his shit rocked by aokiji

Vista
1. Held his ground against Mihawk
2. Did some damage to akainu
3. Blocked a giant's attack

Ace
1. Tied with aokiji
2. Tied with Jinbei before
3. Tied with Smoker (kind of)
4. Bested by Blackbeard, doing some damage.

So...more or less with have a couple slight victories, with the most part showing the whitebeard pirates can hold their own....but is that really enough to be called one of the most powerful pirate crews in the world? They didn't take down or heavily injure a shichibukai, or an admiral, at best they only took out a couple VAs, and hundreds/thousands of fodder marines.

just form what you wrote you should know they are not weak as the people that they were up against were able to beat or top luffy and his crew admirals are very powerful people in op world and aren't push overs so to do what they did against them and the shichibukai and be able to walk away with out fatal wounds is a feat in it self

 

[shinsengumi]

Re: Is it just me, or were the Whitebear pirates rather weak?

IMO the reason why they are called one of the most powerful pirate crews is because there isnt any others to do any better(except 3 other yonkou crews) .
the captain himself facing the whole army on his own , vice captains going on par with admirals and even a 3. seat confronting a shichibukai .. i accept that it could be way cooler if they could win in the end but still these are no small feats to be underestimated

 

[Fox666]

Re: Is it just me, or were the Whitebear pirates rather weak?

Well, it's quite simple... we have the balance of the three great powers, the three factors that rule the world. The Marines, the Shichibukai and the Yonkou. And a rule over the Yonkou is that they are prohibited to make any alliance with each other.

So even the most powerfull pirate crew (which by the way is the Whitebeard pirates) cannot handle alone one of these factors...

 

[外国人]

Re: Is it just me, or were the Whitebear pirates rather weak?

Yes, the Whitebear Pirates do seem to be rather weak, however, the Whitebeard Pirates are still a very strong pirate crew.

 

[natli]

Re: Is it just me, or were the Whitebear pirates rather weak?

@ Dark God Zeus
What you've summed up is a fight between one crew and the rest of the world. It's pretty damn amazing they could hold their own Only Luffy can win with the world, but that's Luffy for you.

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Re: Is it just me, or were the Whitebear pirates rather weak?

It was revealed that WhiteBeard's health wasn't as good as it use to be in his prime.Therefore he couldn't dodge the attack by squardo and got stabbed,i think through the chest.Now even a monster would feel the pain not to say a human being.And as for the admirals,they're all Logias whereas WhiteBeard is a Paramecia.And you need to consider the fact that Whitebeard is already an old man + an old man who got stabbed right through the chest but still rampaged through the battlefield...

As for the commanders,its true that they either tied or got froze by an admiral.But thats predictable.IF a commander were to take down an admiral, wouldn't that gives us an impression that the admirals are just there for show.And their title as the Navy's Strongest Power is just a hoax?

 

[zerocooldx]

Re: Is it just me, or were the Whitebear pirates rather weak?

None of the WB Division Commanders actually had real 1 vs 1 fights. So it's definitely had to judge just how strong they are. But clearly they aren't on the level of an Admiral. I would say that the top few Division Commanders, such as Marco, Joz and Vista, are at the very least on the level of a Vice Admiral.