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Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

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Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

If it is coming out next week it had to go to press and ship in order to guarantee it is in stores next week. What I said earlier about Jump applies to all magazines. They can not print and ship a few days before release, they need to give themselves enough time for copies to move from warehouse to truck to store no matter what the destination. And they have to have copies ready early enough that unexpected problems do not prevent copies from being on the rack the second stores open for the morning commute on the day of official release. Whether Jump, Magazine, SQ, or NEXT spoilers have been coming out up to a week in advance for years now, even before Edited Mangas came out so early.
 

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Mangaka are paid by the page, they are paid more money for color pages - so the more color pages an artist draw per year, the higher the salary. Mangaka want to do as many color pages a year as Shueisha will let them.
You are right that Mangaka get paid by the page and that they get more money for CP BUT from what I understood (could be wrong) they get their main income from Volume sales. New Authors get 10% per printed Volume and Veteran Authors 15%. I would have to go look up how much they get for a page and a CP but I’m sure compared to Volume sales it isn’t much. Therefore I don’t think that the amount of more work necessary for a CP stands in a proportion with the more “income” per CP. Of course they might want CP to promote their series and therefore get more money from the Volume sales.

Bleach color pages are fantastic, other than Bleach hate I can't understand why anyone would dislike them.
I can’t speak for other but for myself. It is not hate per say but more like “wasted” color. Kubo draws more often than not a character who wears either black or white on a black or white background. The only color that is left is the skin, hair and sometimes the eye color. That’s not a lot of “color”.
The other problem I have is that they don’t excite me. Like I said the characters simple pose(like for a picture). They don’t have that energy behind them.
I mean look at “old” Bleach color: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
They weren’t only colorful and stylish but they had also certain energy. He still does sometimes really good CP but a lot of them are for me mediocre.

I think that Naruto and Sket Dance are the only current Manga with better color pages.
Honestly I’m a little surprised that you would prefer a Bleach CP over an OP CP or a Bakuman CP. Personally I prefer a CP from about half of the WSJ raster more because a) they are usually more colorful and b) they have the thing I call energy.
It is hard to describe what I mean with “energy”. Art is mostly subjective.
 

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So then wouldn't Kochikame be 1st and 10th based on this page?
I think it was said previously that there are 2 chapters of Kochikame this issue
 

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Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

There are a maximum of four volumes a year and 48 chapters for a weekly manga. While mangaka can earn more for a tankobon it is less reliable money. It is based on a percentage, income is dependent on sales, and sales decline over time no matter how popular a manga. Chapters are steady, weekly work and a reliable weekly pay check. If it were me and I had an opportunity to supplement my income while getting featured in the front or center of the magazine, I would not be one to turn it down. Not only is the money better, color pages increase prestige and exposure.

Oda is a great artists and his color pages are not bad, but they are nothing special either. He has been drawing the same splash for a decade now, his drawing style shows almost no variation, his choice of colors are usually uninspired, and his splashes are to busy. He makes crowded panels work but spread over two pages it's a bit of overload. Bakuman color is fantastic, I almost forgot about it. One of the best in the magazine, without a doubt.

I actually can't see any difference between new Bleach color pages and old. He still does everything well that he used to. Here are his last seven color pages:


Not only has he maintained previous quality, he has added some new tricks. A few pages use a sketchier, more impressionistic style, for example. He also demonstrates an outstanding sense of design and composition; there is a always a good sense of motion, nice balance, understanding of focal points, perfect use of color, and considerable amount of variety from one page to another. Plot quality aside his color pages shows an understanding of art and design that goes beyond manga. To many mangaka are good at drawing manga but have little understanding of art beyond comics.

Art is not subjective: it is a discipline, there are standards on how to create specific visual and psychological effects. Whether painting, sculpture, comics, or typography when something necessary is missing it is immediately apparent. There are many ways to make objectively good art, many different styles, many ways to move beyond conventions. But none are subjective, as with any other craft or discipline art works with a specific set of goals in mind. Taste may be subjective, but there is no accounting for taste nor does it make a work good or bad. If art is subjective Van Gogh would remain unknown. He died virtually unknown, his paintings having failed to find buyer or audience.
 

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There are a maximum of four volumes a year and 48 chapters for a weekly manga.
Um, it's between four and six volumes a year for a weekly manga, depending a bit on the length of the chapters and how many chapters they opt to put into a volume. Plus whether or not they have any bonus chapters that ran in other places. For example, One Piece has been running 14 years. If it was just four volumes a year, it'd be only at 56 volumes instead of at 64 volumes. Likewise Bleach has been running ten years, and is at 52 volumes rather than 40.
 

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Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

What Kaiten said was in most cases...obviously there are exceptions to everything. Like a manga (Kochi Kame is a good example) could run more than one chapter in a single issue. But generally what he said is correct.
 

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What Kaiten said was in most cases...obviously there are exceptions to everything. Like a manga (Kochi Kame is a good example) could run more than one chapter in a single issue. But generally what he said is correct.
Uh, not about the max number of volumes per year. One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, Toriko, Fairy Tail, Negima, Detective Conan, Kenichi, etc all have more volumes than would be possible if the max was 4 a year. Extra chapters being only a small part of it. Five volumes a year for a weekly is actually pretty standard.

Basically, if you're doing 20 pages a chapter, you'll usually have enough material for a volume after 9 chapters. At 48 chapters a year, that gives you enough material for 5.3 volumes per year. At 18 pages a chapter, it'll be ten chapters before you have enough material, leaving you with enough for 4.8 volumes per year. So in the first case you end up with 5 volumes/year usually with an occasional 6th volume, and in the second, You'll start with 4 volumes/year for the first year, then usually have 5 volumes. Series with less than 18 pages a chapter for weekly series are not common to my knowledge.
 

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Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

For JoJo's Bizarre Adventure fans
I'm not sure if this is common knowledge, but in the authors comment page of Jump Issue #51, Nisio Ishin said that the main character of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure novel he is writing will be Dio!

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Kuroko no Basket Anime Information
Staff
Director: Shunsuke Tada
Script Writer: Noboru Takagi
Character Designer: Yôko Kikuchi
Studio: Production I.G.​

Seiyuu
Kuroko Tetsuya : Kenshô Ono
Kagami Taiga : Yûki Ono​

The Anime will begin in April

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Jump NEXT! Information


Lead CP: Medaka Box Bangaihen - Good Loser Kumagawa (34 pages)
 
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Its been lifeless for while with bleach color pages or spread,style over substance.
They look dull overall,the characters are assuming poses with stylish clothing and...thats all.Something that belongs in fashion magazine.
 

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Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

I was not late, i used to leech my raw from raw paradise, you see... And i used to leech my mangas from IRC 8 years ago...:p

Anyway, whether i am late or not is very unimportant. xD
I was surprised khr is low, i thought people loved varia, xx and 100...

Also, though i agree 'bad' or 'good' art can be judged from technique, they are still left to the audience to judge. i know i have loved a lot of 'less technically superior' artworks over masterpieces. Anyway, though i agree bleach usually is good in composition, i dislike the cp because the color is dull. I love khr cp because the color is(mostly) brilliant. Bakuman because of the superb details.
Hey nothing wrong with liking bleach cp...
 
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Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Any known names in this Jump NEXT?
 

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Any known names in this Jump NEXT?
Only author of Medaka Box and Enigma.
 

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R4n
Not to late to leech, but to late for the news about Shueisha condemning the raw providers. You did as everybody else did/still does. :p So hard to get RAWs for Tough. :E

Zeromcd
Is that a Medaka Box spin-off or just a one-shot?
 
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Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Sweet~ I'm really looking forward to Jump Next!! Really excited for the Enigma and Kumagawa Chapter♥ ^^ *bliss*


And I'm hoping Beelzebub is gonna start rising in the toc, its lowness is starting to sadden me :(
 

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Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

It's a shame Nura never had a Lead CP this year. I know its been near or at the bottom sometimes but still at WSJ should have gave it a Lead CP this year.
 

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It's a shame Nura never had a Lead CP this year. I know its been near or at the bottom sometimes but still at WSJ should have gave it a Lead CP this year.
I think in order for Nura to get Lead CP is leave bottom 5 permanently.
 

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Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

I think in order for Nura to get Lead CP is leave bottom 5 permanently.
Well, maybe it Would leave the bottom 5 if Wsj Would actually promote it more! XD I find that a bit unfair, while Bleach and Kuroko had low points they were given tons of color pages in order to promote them and get higher up in the rankings, I suppose they have some sort of logic behind it at wsj for picking on Nura, but I don't see it。Lol


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