Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[ChocoBar9]

There's no real or consistent basis of who or when in terms of anime. It gets it when there's interest for it in the market and who those it appeal to the most. I never really expected Mago, Ao no Exorcist and Beelzebub to get anime so early in their manga lifespan but clearly they appeals beyond the manga market

 

[[Cross]]

Seems like the pool is becoming smaller now, leaving Kuroko and Medaka. I'm still holding down my opinion that we won't hear any news about new Jump anime than what's already established until late 2011.

 

[Rejuvenation]

I've always pegged a Medaka anime announcement for Fall 2011 or Spring 2012. The series condenses content too much for it to have a quality anime before it has 2-3 years worth of chapters under its belt. If it got it at the 80 chapter mark like Beelzebub it would have been a disaster unless Nishio worked with the anime team to help flesh out certain portions of the series.

 

[kewl0210]

Nice to hear for Inumaru. I think I'll watch that. Dunno if I'll ever end up actually translating that manga.
It IS good, but it's very wordy and Gintama-y in its joke telling. Which is hard for me to do on top of Gintama, even if each chapter is only 10 pages it's still a lot.

 

[susanoo13]

I think that any anime that starts before the manga has at least 120 chapters might end up on to tight a schedule and the fear of catching up, look at Naruto Shippuuden shich started when part 2 had 101 chapters in comparison to part 1 which started when the manga had 135-140 chapters or the beginning of bleach which had 155 chapters in it's first episode but well Kubo is not really known for compressing a lot of content in each chapter.

I heven't read Medaka apart for it's first chapter yet but somehow I was curious and read from chapter 85-91 which kinda threw me to speculate if this manga is kinda set to be an anime of 26-39 episodes tops.

 

[jorped]

of course it is about quality..

Do you think so many adults would still read One Piece if it wasn't quality?

Do you think it would sell nearly double the volume sales as the next manga if it wasn't on another level?

You might not like it but many people in Japan and elsewhere do. It is not just about being a "fanboy"

I think what makes One Piece this popular isn't the quality in itself , cuz i thing that Naruto might be able to be as much or even more interesting than One Piece ! But i think that One Piece wins more because the story isn't as bold as Naruto's !
Naruto story evolves so many feelings and morals that in our world are nothing more than impossible to achieve and i think that probably much adults will not be able of feeling attached to the story cuz they lived a lot already and they know that the world is a very complicate one and such ideals are impossible to achieve, so they probably won't identify with Naruto.
I think this might be a reason , at least that's the way i see it

 

[Verilance]

I strongly disagree, and I am both a One Piece fan and a Naruto fan, though truth be told neither of them are my favourite manga or even in my top five.

One Piece despite its silliness is an incredibly deep manga filled with powerful stuff, and perhaps it is because of it's overall tone it is much more effective with presenting stuff such as racism, slavery and the like.

anyway this discussion is probably going way off topic which is WSJ in general not specific manga

 

[Divinenega]

I think that any anime that starts before the manga has at least 120 chapters might end up on to tight a schedule and the fear of catching up, look at Naruto Shippuuden shich started when part 2 had 101 chapters in comparison to part 1 which started when the manga had 135-140 chapters or the beginning of bleach which had 155 chapters in it's first episode but well Kubo is not really known for compressing a lot of content in each chapter.

I heven't read Medaka apart for it's first chapter yet but somehow I was curious and read from chapter 85-91 which kinda threw me to speculate if this manga is kinda set to be an anime of 26-39 episodes tops.

No it would need at least 52 episodes to be done right. Possibly 78 if each story arc is divided into 26 episodes. I personally think it;s far enough along to run it;s course and not run into the manga, especially since it seems to be in it;s last arc anyway. Plus there are quite a few things that could be expanded on in the series that could strech out the material for an anime a bit.

But yeah I do sort of agree with Cross that it wouldn't be anytime soon. My guess would be Fall or Winter 2011 though. Spring 2012 at latest but I don;t think it would take that long in my opinion.

 

[[Cross]]

I think what makes One Piece this popular isn't the quality in itself , cuz i thing that Naruto might be able to be as much or even more interesting than One Piece ! But i think that One Piece wins more because the story isn't as bold as Naruto's

I think you're ignoring that Naruto is guilty of a similar thing. Bleach was for a while as well, but its current slump is evidence of people getting on the up and up. If we were to rate the latest chapters of Naruto on quality, it would certainly rate lower imo, it's dragging quite a bit and the war is turning into a flaky plot device. One Piece seems to be hitting its stride at the moment in its current arc while Naruto is stumbling a bit, so you can't blame people for voting One Piece over Naruto.

 

[Asarii]

Before this discussion gets out of hand, please drop the topic about which series should(n't) take first place in the TOC. It's starting to sound like the big 3 thread in the main forum. Thank you.

 

[ChocoBar9]

No it would need at least 52 episodes to be done right. Possibly 78 if each story arc is divided into 26 episodes. I personally think it;s far enough along to run it;s course and not run into the manga, especially since it seems to be in it;s last arc anyway. Plus there are quite a few things that could be expanded on in the series that could strech out the material for an anime a bit.

I think you're being a tad too generous considering it's not that popular and riding on the coattails of the Nishio fanbase for support

 

[Divinenega]

I think you're being a tad too generous considering it's not that popular and riding on the coattails of the Nishio fanbase for support

It;s not quite as bad as Neuro. Medaka has risen to the higher end of the ToC from time to time, and it breaks 100 K per volume which(correct me if I'm wrong) Neuro was not able to do pre-anime.

 

[ChocoBar9]

It;s not quite as bad as Neuro. Medaka has risen to the higher end of the ToC from time to time, and it breaks 100 K per volume which(correct me if I'm wrong) Neuro was not able to do pre-anime.

To be frank I don't even remember Neuro pre-anime, all I know that it's popularity got a boost because of the anime though generally a Jump series getting an anime means it is at least selling 100k or more per tank to begin with. Medaka Box is doing that but it's hard to see the appeal of it beyond the Nishio fanbase and I doubt that it'll get a full faithful adaptation

 

[Westlo]

I think you're being a tad too generous considering it's not that popular and riding on the coattails of the Nishio fanbase for support

@ 100k per volume it's more popular than most manga series that get adaptions... Lotte, TWGOK, Deadman Wonderland, Merry, Freezing, Sora no Otoshimono, Shinryaku! Ika Musume, Arakawa, Kuragehime, Mitsudomoe, Seitokai Yakuindomo etc.

Also not like typical Jump anime have been appealing to the otaku audiences of late.. Medaka Box probably has a better chance than most. If the current arc ends in a reasonable amount of time they could probably condense it down to 52 episodes.. they would need to go through everything pre-Misogi ASAP anyway to get to the good stuff..

 

[ChocoBar9]

@ 100k per volume it's more popular than most manga series that get adaptions... Lotte, TWGOK, Deadman Wonderland, Merry, Freezing, Sora no Otoshimono, Shinryaku! Ika Musume, Arakawa, Kuragehime, Mitsudomoe, Seitokai Yakuindomo etc.

None of these manga are own by Shuiesha and each company had their own different quota to meet and aren't as high as Shuiesha. Kuroko no Basuke sells more than Medaka Box an I don't see an anime for it anytime soon

Also not like typical Jump anime have been appealing to the otaku audiences of late.. Medaka Box probably has a better chance than most.

Actually it's the opposite, it won't have a good chance at an anime

If the current arc ends in a reasonable amount of time they could probably condense it down to 52 episodes.. they would need to go through everything pre-Misogi ASAP anyway to get to the good stuff..

And once again you're being a tad too generous because you're a fanboy. The series is not THAT popular to get two full seasons, what's so hard to understand?

 

[[Cross]]

And once again you're being a tad too generous because you're a fanboy. The series is not THAT popular to get two full seasons, what's so hard to understand?

Not for nothing, but how exactly are you so sure that it isn't that popular?
The sales aren't that bad, and the placement on the TOC is rather decent from time to time as well. If you say it's riding the coat tails of nishio's name, wouldn't it make more business sense to turn that into an anime since it has name recognition?

 

[NANAhashi]

100k is not the amazing number in Jump now a day. If you excluded Inumaru whom seem to get some special treatment, comparing with the other series, Medaka Tankoubou's selling number is quite low. Almost every series get 100k+.

Also, if you look at TOC rank without any bias, Medaka does pretty poor job there.

 

[ChocoBar9]

The sales aren't that bad

They're not great either, not like it's beating any series in the JUMP lineup

and the placement on the TOC is rather decent from time to time as well.

No it's not, being consistently at the bottom with a few jumps here and there is not good if anycase it's inconsistent and the TOC is not an accurate way to judge popularity all together

If you say it's riding the coat tails of nishio's name, wouldn't it make more business sense to turn that into an anime since it has name recognition?

That makes even less sense

Seriously you guys are just jumping the gun on this altogether, I'm not even sure if MB has had a VCOMIC yet

 

[[Cross]]

Seriously you guys are just jumping the gun on this altogether, I'm not even sure if MB has had a VCOMIC yet

Actually, it had its vomics more than a year ago.
I don't think it's jumping the gun per say, at the moment there are two series in Jump that are viable for an anime deal, if anything, based on length alone (Since Inumaru is now out of the race and both are past the two year mark), Kuroko and Medaka. While I don't think we'll hear anything until the end of this year, Medaka seems more anime-like (otaku-esque or however you want to call it) than kuroko so I feel it lends itself to an easier adaptation.

 

[Divinenega]

They're not great either, not like it's beating any series in the JUMP lineup

No it's not, being consistently at the bottom with a few jumps here and there is not good if anycase it's inconsistent and the TOC is not an accurate way to judge popularity all together

That makes even less sense

Seriously you guys are just jumping the gun on this altogether, I'm not even sure if MB has had a VCOMIC yet

A) It does have a Vomic. Got one way back last year if I recall

B) It was directly competing with Beelzebub in tank sales pre-anime adaption

C) It sells better than Inudashi and Shinigami despite both series being in the magazine longer

D) It;s not fair to compare it to Kuroko which almost literally ONLY managed to outlast Psyren because JUMP pimped the crap out of it since they insist on having at least one running sports series.