Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015-2016] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Pietro]

Maybe a new series in the #2?

 

[CuriousReborn]

When was there fantasy? Major antagonist is from a parallel world world travelling, Choice, time travelling, Acrobaleno, etc. What is supernatural or fantasy about it?

Its a bit of both isn't it ? On one hand you have parallel world, time travelling and on the other you have animals with magical powers coming out of boxes ( If this is not a fantasy I don't know what is ). The entire concept of flames is basically fantasy ,but you make good points so I would say both with bigger emphasis on the magical hot boys fantasy.

 

[SharkBait]

Its a bit of both isn't it ? On one hand you have parallel world, time travelling and on the other you have animals with magical powers coming out of boxes ( If this is not a fantasy I don't know what is ). The entire concept of flames is basically fantasy ,but you make good points so I would say both with bigger emphasis on the magical hot boys fantasy.

The box is still a manmade object imbued with the power of science, many were even enhanced with the power of mechanical engineering, computer aided design, and more. [when tsuna could see the level of flame power for example]

 

[PharaoDopazo]

Shonen Jump #53



Weekly Shonen Jump 2015

 

[SharkBait]

What was the 2nd BLack Clover cover for.

Completely forgot about battle satellite and roggy or whatever.

 

[PharaoDopazo]

What was the 2nd BLack Clover cover for.

The Royal Capital Arc had just started and the riot was about to begin. Thats all.

 

[CuriousReborn]

A lot of wasted potential here. I really had high hopes for kagamigami and roggy. Never the less 2 new series survived 2015 ( not counting Mononofu since it is not apparent whether this series is a doomed or not ) and found somewhat of a success. Hopefully 2016 will have more.

 

[SharkBait]

A lot of wasted potential here. I really had high hopes for kagamigami and roggy. Never the less 2 new series survived 2015 ( not counting Mononofu since it is not apparent whether this series is a doomed or not ) and found somewhat of a success. Hopefully 2016 will have more.

Buddystrike?

 

[DoctorApollo]

When was there fantasy? Major antagonist is from a parallel world world travelling, Choice, time travelling, Acrobaleno, etc. What is supernatural or fantasy about it?

They all have magical powers. Their internal magical energy manifests itself through flames.

There is no scientific explanation to the curse, it's just magic.

Mukuro can control bodies via magic, Chrome exists purely through magic.

There are some scifi elements like the time travel and parallel universes for sure, but science fiction is stories where EVERYTHING can be explained by science. The powers in reborn would not exist through any form of science imaginable.

 

[CuriousReborn]

Buddystrike?

It only has 3 chapters are you actually considering it a success ?

 

[SharkBait]

It only has 3 chapters are you actually considering it a success ?

Its hitting all the right notes, I can't see how it wont be a success.

 

[CuriousReborn]

Its hitting all the right notes, I can't see how it wont be a success.

Interesting, if you are praising it that much I guess I could give it a shot. Still withholding my opinion on it until it reaches 10 chapters.

 

[Soul Soul Brigade]

It doesn't matter if Border is a competent military organization or not, the thing is, no government would allow the existance of a 3rd party organization as strong and as advanced as Border with out said organization being a subsidiary of the military. Speaking of which, World Trigger is very narrow sighted. Not only would the Japanese government have to deal with "Neighbors" but they would also have to deal with the smuggling of weapons to foreign powers (U.S., China, Russia, etc.). You can defend it by saying "it's only just a shonen" but a good story in general wouldn't have plot holes like that. It's the authors fault for not discussing things like that. Simply put, he didn't think things out thoroughly.

And I discussed the child soldier part. I get the in-story reasoning behind it, but the fact that protesting and protesters don't play a major role in World Trigger is a bit hard to believe. People are sensitive to all kinds of things. Heck, just look at America with all the protesting going on over at those universities. People are going to look down on the use of child soldiers. Even with the trion bodies, people are going to complain.

World Trigger just feels like a seinen with shonen characters. That, to me, is it's biggest flaw.

 

[cue1996]

It doesn't matter if Border is a competent military organization or not, the thing is, no government would allow the existance of a 3rd party organization as strong and as advanced as Border with out said organization being a subsidiary of the military. Speaking of which, World Trigger is very narrow sighted. Not only would the Japanese government have to deal with "Neighbors" but they would also have to deal with the smuggling of weapons to foreign powers (U.S., China, Russia, etc.). You can defend it by saying "it's only just a shonen" but a good story in general wouldn't have plot holes like that. It's the authors fault for not discussing things like that. Simply put, he didn't think things out thoroughly.

And I discussed the child soldier part. I get the in-story reasoning behind it, but the fact that protesting and protesters don't play a major role in World Trigger is a bit hard to believe. People are sensitive to all kinds of things. Heck, just look at America with all the protesting going on over at those universities. People are going to look down on the use of child soldiers. Even with the trion bodies, people are going to complain.

World Trigger just feels like a seinen with shonen characters. That, to me, is it's biggest flaw.

These don't really seem like plot holes their more just you nitpicking at World Trigger. I mean smuggling weapons, how do we know that the Marines in One Piece aren't smuggling weapons to other islands. I'm not to familiar with One Piece so correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there some islands out there with there own army.

And about the protesting of child soldiers, why aren't their people in Naruto and Black Clover protesting the use of kids as ninjas/magic knights. I mean really man just nitpicking here. Your trying to bring real world problems into a shonen manga a manga that's meant to be for kids. And how World Trigger feel like a seinen never once have I felt like I was reading a seinen.

 

[vampire killer]

http://www.oricon.co.jp/special/48458/5/
Best selling manga list for 2015. Too lazy to sort it!

 

[SharkBait]

So many Assassination Classroom and Haikyuu volumes near 1mln. Assassination Classroom volume at higher than the million selling Naruto Continuation, wow.''

Haikyuu!! had an awesome year.

 

[Stark700]

These don't really seem like plot holes their more just you nitpicking at World Trigger. I mean smuggling weapons, how do we know that the Marines in One Piece aren't smuggling weapons to other islands. I'm not to familiar with One Piece so correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there some islands out there with there own army.

And about the protesting of child soldiers, why aren't their people in Naruto and Black Clover protesting the use of kids as ninjas/magic knights. I mean really man just nitpicking here. Your trying to bring real world problems into a shonen manga a manga that's meant to be for kids. And how World Trigger feel like a seinen never once have I felt like I was reading a seinen.

I think he means that it would do better as a seinen, and it has been dumbed down to a shonen.

Considering it's a science fiction, they could stand to cover their bases a bit more. Being a shonen manga is what's holding it back.

 

[SharkBait]

Oh nice World Trigger got that 2 mln, bleach has two newbs about to surpass it.

21) Bleach (2 818 926)
22) World Trigger (2 735 269)
23) Gintama (2 642 690)
27) My Hero Academia (2 190 845)

 

[vampire killer]

Considering WT had only 4 new volumes this year it's quite the feat.

 

[Soul Soul Brigade]

Black Clover- Look at the time period Black Clover is set in. Most women were having children in their teens (12 to 13). Boys where considered men by 13.

Naruto- ehhhhh, Naruto is set in a fantasy world. Our rules aren't necessarily their rules. They probably don't look down on child ninja's like we would look down on child soldiers.

World Trigger is set on our world. So it should follow the same rules.

I'm not really nitpicking. Look at that fantasy light-novel about the JSDF, that tackles every political problem that plagues World Trigger. In short, World Trigger just isn't that well written in terms of world building.