Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[SharkBait]

Boring is worst, End up just skimming through chapters upon chapters not caring about anything (see for example One Piece is boring, I jsut stop whenever theres a panel with Ace, Sabo, Zoro, year of Sanji, I havent read a full chapter in months, the anime is far better than the manga).

 

[Scruffy8642]

But anyway, I've wanted to ask you a question regarding something-

Which would you describe as worse, when something is just "bad" or simply boring ?
I know some of you will say, that boring is bad, too, but I've learned over the years from several critics and writers, that, if something is boring(either characters, the story or all of these) that this is actually worse. Because even if something is seemingly bad, you at least "feel" something(like being insulted, angry or disappointed). Like, from bad things you can learn something, or even can "enjoy" it by making fun of it. But something that is boring/bland there is not much to it, and is pretty much forgotten immediately.
Like, I would prefer to read the worst book which I have read so far, compared to the ones I was mostly indifferent, because at least, there is something I call tell & feel about the book, which made me raged so much, that I've actually threw it against the walls. Compared to this one, the one which bored me, I can't even recall their names.

Boring is worse. Just look at BC and countless other examples, something bad can still be quite enjoyable, whether it's just laughably bad, or not. And on the other hand, enjoyment is more important than something being good. I've disliked tons of series often rated the highest on review sites just because I find them boring. I can see how well made they are, but I just don't find them as compelling as something that's pure fun and makes me want binge the hell out of.

 

[TyVip]

Which would you describe as worse, when something is just "bad" or simply boring ?
I know some of you will say, that boring is bad, too, but I've learned over the years from several critics and writers, that, if something is boring(either characters, the story or all of these) that this is actually worse. Because even if something is seemingly bad, you at least "feel" something(like being insulted, angry or disappointed). Like, from bad things you can learn something, or even can "enjoy" it by making fun of it. But something that is boring/bland there is not much to it, and is pretty much forgotten immediately.
Like, I would prefer to read the worst book which I have read so far, compared to the ones I was mostly indifferent, because at least, there is something I call tell & feel about the book, which made me raged so much, that I've actually threw it against the walls. Compared to this one, the one which bored me, I can't even recall their names.

I read so many bad manga but they are enjoyable.

Boring is like "i am not looking forward to next week/month."

Boring is worst.

 

[Koi Kage]

I am sad that Golen Hearts ended. Not only can I feel with the Mangaka, I've actually enjoyed the manga. Really liked the first chapters(+the ones with Noah's mentor) and still enjoyed the flawed chapters which followed afterwards.
Though I am surprised that people seemingly hated GH so much, I've learned that, bc nothing is really written in stone, there are always people who dis/like something, what ever the majority may think and visa versa. And even if you find someone who likes something you like, too, it may for completely different reasons. Life is colorful, with an unending supply of surprises. Which is nice, otherwise things would get boring.
Something I've especially realized after people liked Star Wars: Rogue One so much, which bored me to death actually.


But anyway, I've wanted to ask you a question regarding something-

Which would you describe as worse, when something is just "bad" or simply boring ?
I know some of you will say, that boring is bad, too, but I've learned over the years from several critics and writers, that, if something is boring(either characters, the story or all of these) that this is actually worse. Because even if something is seemingly bad, you at least "feel" something(like being insulted, angry or disappointed). Like, from bad things you can learn something, or even can "enjoy" it by making fun of it. But something that is boring/bland there is not much to it, and is pretty much forgotten immediately.
Like, I would prefer to read the worst book which I have read so far, compared to the ones I was mostly indifferent, because at least, there is something I call tell & feel about the book, which made me raged so much, that I've actually threw it against the walls. Compared to this one, the one which bored me, I can't even recall their names.

I agree that saying something is bad is kind of a subjective thing since nothing is ever truly "bad" the particular thing in question just doesn't meet up with your tastes which is just a specific opinion/interpretation on something others are free to disagree with which is fine. On the question to which is worse I'd rank them about the same depending on certain circumstances neither is worse then the other in my eyes since there will always be someone who finds enjoyment in it and thats the point as the editor in chief in Bakuman said "...to survive in jump a story doesn't have to be good(this extends to being boring as well) it just has to be interesting" enough so as to grab ahold of a reader base.

 

[razerxs]

Which would you describe as worse, when something is just "bad" or simply boring

These are pretty separate axes to judge something on. I'm pretty sure I'd sleep straight through an opera but that says more about my interests than it does about the opera's quality. People say the same thing about sports and books and comics.

 

[ChocoBar9]

The lines between bad and boring is a thin one but for better or for worse I've seen people put more investment into a manga that's bad than for one that's boring. It largely depends on how much entertainment you get out of the material.

 

[ShenGao]

Wow, the last chapter of Golem Hearts is one of the worst i've ever seen.

 

[Chuck_Atlas]

Guess one of my guests was right, he just said "fuck it" and wrapped up everything in huge wreck of an ending

 

[shoyoboyo]

Makes me wonder if the Golem Hearts guy will return. I believe he's in his early 30s and this is his first serialization.

 

[101nemesis]

Bad - Last 100 chapters in Bleach but it was still enjoyable and was fun to see the bankai of all characters.
Boring - To me, Black Clover was boring AF, at least whatever I read. It did nothing new and whatever it did was just in the tried and already done ways. Again. My opinion. I don't hate it or like it. Just stating an example and why i thought it was boring. Before people start their usual stuff.

Bad & Boring - Demon's Plan, Tokyo Wonder Boys or whatever it's name was, Takamagahara etc.

 

[Ecchi Boy]

We know that there are hate for every single series in Jump right now, but although people from 4chan can vote on Jump as well, probably most of them doesn't. Those who vote take it seriously, principally the ones that buy the magazine every week, they spend their time doing this, something that not anybody is willing to do. Constructive criticism is good for the betterment of the magazine and who take this seriously is probably going towards this kind of criticism. No criticism at all is also bad because it can make bad series perpetuate. Full Drive was slight interesting at the beginning, but I read just 3 chapters and I didn't think it would last long with so many sports manga already in the magazine. Golem Hearts was bad, period. The author has work to do before trying again.

I agree but I didn't mean financially I mean Emotionally everyone can be a good mangaka as we advance in enlightenment We will begin toss away old ways of thinking and bring in the new, that includes getting rid of money and other materialisms and more freedom which will help advance the betterment of manga even more. I think japan is stuck in a old way of coming up with something original but if they were to step out their comfort zones they can achieve even heights they need to stop the old way of thinking and start thinkng positively and be open minded about how to make a original manga.

 

[Leoat12]

I agree but I didn't mean financially I mean Emotionally everyone can be a good mangaka as we advance in enlightenment We will begin toss away old ways of thinking and bring in the new, that includes getting rid of money and other materialisms and more freedom which will help advance the betterment of manga even more. I think japan is stuck in a old way of coming up with something original but if they were to step out their comfort zones they can achieve even heights they need to stop the old way of thinking and start thinkng positively and be open minded about how to make a original manga.

We cannot talk about the manga market without discussing the financial part because it is a market and an industry and has profit as goal. I didn't understand very well what is the old way you are talking about, could you clarify?

 

[Newkerzy]

Bad - Last 100 chapters in Bleach but it was still enjoyable and was fun to see the bankai of all characters.
Boring - To me, Black Clover was boring AF, at least whatever I read. It did nothing new and whatever it did was just in the tried and already done ways. Again. My opinion. I don't hate it or like it. Just stating an example and why i thought it was boring. Before people start their usual stuff.

Bad & Boring - Demon's Plan, Tokyo Wonder Boys or whatever it's name was, Takamagahara etc.

Agreed on Bleach. I agree that it was bad, but I still got a decent kick out of it. FT's last arc is more or less on the same level, and overall I found the ending to be satisfying, with a few exceptions, of course.

 

[Tamil]

YYH after the chapter black arc was both boring and bad.

 

[SharkBait]

Bad & Boring - Demon's Plan, Tokyo Wonder Boys or whatever it's name was, Takamagahara etc.

Dude, I love your posts...but this is very offensive and bad and almost reportable. Tokyo Wonder Boys being both bad & boring is factually incorrect. THe only way your post would be more wrong is if you had said Stealth Symphony.

Demon's Plan had potential if the writer had went the BL route. Actually many of the ended manga would have succeeded if they went the BL route, see BLack Clover for a success story.

 

[Leoat12]

Many people talking about Tokyo Wonder Boys and Shark defending it, I almost thought that people had forgotten about the masterpiece of the masterpieces: Stealth Symphony.
I really miss these days... Now it is just Black Clover x Kimestsu x MHA and blah blah, kind of frustrating.

 

[TyVip]

Buddy Strike
So successful it doesn’t have a volume release.

9 times out of 10 if you bet against Shark you’ll get a succesful manga

 

[SharkBait]

Buddy Strike
So successful it doesn’t have a volume release.

9 times out of 10 if you bet against Shark you’ll get a succesful manga

Bozebeats will prove you wrong, it will be a masterpiece success story, watch.

 

[Ecchi Boy]

We cannot talk about the manga market without discussing the financial part because it is a market and an industry and has profit as goal. I didn't understand very well what is the old way you are talking about, could you clarify?

I can't tell you must discover that on your own like I did.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Many people talking about Tokyo Wonder Boys and Shark defending it, I almost thought that people had forgotten about the masterpiece of the masterpieces: Stealth Symphony.
I really miss these days... Now it is just Black Clover x Kimestsu x MHA and blah blah, kind of frustrating.

Stealth Symphony he says....SWOT makes Stealth Symphony look like shit.