Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[SharkBait]

I always had a question, if the editors had let the authors do what they wanted, would we have better mangas?
for me the editors are here just to be paid without doing anything and without risking anything.

You always need a 2nd or 3rd set of eyes to go over ones fictional writing. Someone who can see actually see if it is clear to other people outside of just the author their self, or if the paneling and etc makes sense, or catches mistakes, finds issues in consistently, addresses if characters are still in character our out of characters, if things conform to the laws of the series universe or if its too much too early.

I dont want to picture what some of the series would be if there were no editors there.

Also I dont think every editor is the same, good editors vs bad editors etc. Probably dont want to assume editors are all homogeneous unskilled tools for the gain of the capitalist overlords of publishing.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Seeing Sakuragi, in what other WSJ series do the characters cut their hair or change their hairstyle? Dragon Ball did this with Yamcha, Bulma and Gohan all the time. But the only ones who did this with the MC, I think were I"s and SD. Yusuke sometimes changed too. Silly question, I know.

I remember Kenshiro changed his hairstyle twice in Hokuto no Ken. Then Sakura and Orochimaru in Naruto, and Kirsch (Mimosa brother) in Black Clover. Don't remember more now.

Nami before One Piece timeskip, you could notice how her hair (and other body parts) were growint slightly longer.

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I have been questioning this myself: what was first Jump manga where mobile phones appeared?

 

[shoyoboyo]

Seeing Sakuragi, in what other WSJ series do the characters cut their hair or change their hairstyle? Dragon Ball did this with Yamcha, Bulma and Gohan all the time. But the only ones who did this with the MC, I think were I"s and SD. Yusuke sometimes changed too. Silly question, I know.

Nagisa from AssClass probably, but then again that's the epilogue. I think MCs don't often get hair changes because they lose their iconic silhouette. I remember seeing someone that a good main character is one you can recognize from a silhouette.

 

[Inumaru]

Seeing Sakuragi, in what other WSJ series do the characters cut their hair or change their hairstyle? Dragon Ball did this with Yamcha, Bulma and Gohan all the time. But the only ones who did this with the MC, I think were I"s and SD. Yusuke sometimes changed too. Silly question, I know.

Toriko cuts his mullet at some point, if I remember well. Nowadays we have Hinomaru.
Not MC, but Musashi from E21 must have the coolest change of hairstyle. Yukimitsu from the same series also changed his hairstyle.

 

[101nemesis]

I always had a question, if the editors had let the authors do what they wanted, would we have better mangas?
for me the editors are here just to be paid without doing anything and without risking anything.

Well for one, editors are there to regulate the series to make sure it stays within the rules of the magazine. 2nd, for newcomers especially editors are absolutely required to help guide them. Once they've gotten enough experience and have had at least a good hit, the role of the editor would be or rather can be lessened I'd assume.

 

[Nakura]

Nagisa from AssClass probably, but then again that's the epilogue. I think MCs don't often get hair changes because they lose their iconic silhouette. I remember seeing someone that a good main character is one you can recognize from a silhouette.

I'm always reminded of this scene from Gintama explaining it:

 

[ruggia]

I always had a question, if the editors had let the authors do what they wanted, would we have better mangas?
for me the editors are here just to be paid without doing anything and without risking anything.

In terms of average quality, no.

Just look at web novels & the isekai trend, Korean webtoon scene (Daum vs Naver), etc.

 

[Drmke]

Mangaka routinely say editors can make or break a series. Editors are also an experienced "second-set of eyes" which any writer will tell you is invaluable when creating and evaluating a story. Do some editors hurt the creative process? No doubt. Do some make certain manga significantly better? Also, no doubt.

I wouldn't go as far as saying editors are an absolute necessity, but they serve a valuable function in the way manga (and literature in general) is composed.

 

[SharkBait]

If an author really disliked editors that much they could always go the self published, or webmanga route on their own site and use patroen or whatever to gather funds for continuing and eventually pray to the goddesses that an actual publisher picks it up

 

[Mawara]

I always had a question, if the editors had let the authors do what they wanted, would we have better mangas?
for me the editors are here just to be paid without doing anything and without risking anything.

Depends on the case.
Though more american comics, the youtuber Linkara reviewed several stories, which were either hurt by editors or hurt by lack of one.
And in my own experience, if you havent someone who puts you on a leash sometimes, it can be damaging for your work, if you get out of touch with it or its audience. or just having someone who proofreads is an enormous help.
But on the other hand, editors can force their own ideas on someone, or trying to force the artist to follow certain trends to make the product more appealing to the mainstreaming, ironically hurting its quality in the long run.

Personally, I would say, editors are important and can improve one's work, but bc editors are humans after all, they can be wrong and flawed, too.

 

[SharkBait]

Id hate to be an editor, itd be hard to show restraint and tell the author to avoid all the things that make stories bad
-Bad Endings
-Perma deaths
-Predictable Outcomes
-The Childhood Friend Who Loses[TM]
-Muscles
-Too much skin covered

 

[jagman1x3]

This is actually a better example of why someone would need an editor than anything I could come up with myself.

 

[TyVip]

I always had a question, if the editors had let the authors do what they wanted, would we have better mangas?
for me the editors are here just to be paid without doing anything and without risking anything.

That's why proof reading exist.

Your IDEA might makes sense to you ,but might be completely off the chart for another person (readers) to comprehend. In fact, you would have worse manga to read.

 

[Nemesis]

Since the guy is asking a question, I have one myself. We know that all mangaka have the copyright of their works along the publisher of their works but at the same time, there's cases like Kurumada doing Saint Seiya in Akita Shoten while Shueisha is still able to use the property in games and other licensed stuff, along with other examples like Go Nagai publishing Cutie Honey and Devilman in different publishers and Shaman King turning into a Kodansha property. So my question is, how this thing happen? They're able to change the publisher and leave with the property to another or the other publisher needs to pay for it? lol

 

[ruggia]

They're able to change the publisher and leave with the property to another or the other publisher needs to pay for it?

As per standard practice of most major publishers in Japan, the main copyright ownership stays solely with the creator(s). The publishers only contract out limited time rights for printing and/or distribution of the work under the terms of the contract. (The "printing right" can also be further separated down to magazine/tankobon, physical/digital, etc) In case of physical publishing right, they automatically expire after 3 years if the publisher doesn't keep doing reprints.

When there is an anime or other multimedia deals, authors would often lease the IP right to the publisher to act as their representative so the publishers can take care of all the management and negotiations with 3rd parties that are involved in the project. Even when this does happen, the author can reclaim the right back once the contract is done as they are still the primary owner.

 

[Nakura]

Shoseki Rankings (2/4-8/4)
1. Haikyu!! #31
2. My Hero Academia #18
3. One-Punch Man #16
4. The Promised Neverland #8
8. The Disastrous Life of Saiki K. #25
10. Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs #10
12. Dr. Stone #5
224. Full Drive #2
232. Full Drive #3
236. Spring Weapon No.01 #6

30位25600/50位14350/100位7700/200位4450/300位3250/400位2600/500位2100

Just to note, it's very possible that OPM will be higher than MHA on the oricon list. It also began to chart higher on Shoseki from the 6th onwards.

 

[Koi Kage]

Since the guy is asking a question, I have one myself. We know that all mangaka have the copyright of their works along the publisher of their works but at the same time, there's cases like Kurumada doing Saint Seiya in Akita Shoten while Shueisha is still able to use the property in games and other licensed stuff, along with other examples like Go Nagai publishing Cutie Honey and Devilman in different publishers and Shaman King turning into a Kodansha property. So my question is, how this thing happen? They're able to change the publisher and leave with the property to another or the other publisher needs to pay for it? lol

Shueisha still has the merchandising rights for Saint Seiya then while Akita Shoten has publishing rights to where as Kodansha probably now has full rights to both publishing and merchindising that they probably bought from Shueshia.

 

[Nemesis]

As per standard practice of most major publishers in Japan, the main copyright ownership stays solely with the creator(s). The publishers only contract out limited time rights for printing and/or distribution of the work under the terms of the contract. (The "printing right" can also be further separated down to magazine/tankobon, physical/digital, etc) In case of physical publishing right, they automatically expire after 3 years if the publisher doesn't keep doing reprints.

When there is an anime or other multimedia deals, authors would often lease the IP right to the publisher to act as their representative so the publishers can take care of all the management and negotiations with 3rd parties that are involved in the project. Even when this does happen, the author can reclaim the right back once the contract is done as they are still the primary owner.

Thanks, now I understand it better. But how about series that are cancelled? Why those authors don't pick their manga and go to other publisher?

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Meanwhile in Spain, Dr.Stone manga has been licensed.

Let's review situation of current Jump titles in Spain:
-One Piece: manga licensed and up to day. Anime stopped in Ennies Lobby. Spanish main anime editorial is releasing now the movies, but no news about anime.
-Haikyuu: Anime licensed by main anime editorial (we have it in Netflix). Manga isn't licensed, and none of 3 main manga editorials want it because spokon manga sales in Spain are cursed (and Kuroko no Basket terrible sales gave spokon the final nail).
-Boku no Hero Academia: Manga licensed and up to day. Anime not licensed because main anime editorial is now busy releasing DVDs of old stuff from 90s (and while rights are by Viz Europe, they also had Yokai Watch and main anime editorial got it).
-Black Clover: Manga licensed and up to day. Anime licensed by main anime editorial.

Yep, Black Clover is the big winner.

 

[XtrnlArdent]

Meanwhile in Spain, Dr.Stone manga has been licensed.

Let's review situation of current Jump titles in Spain:
-One Piece: manga licensed and up to day. Anime stopped in Ennies Lobby. Spanish main anime editorial is releasing now the movies, but no news about anime.
-Haikyuu: Anime licensed by main anime editorial (we have it in Netflix). Manga isn't licensed, and none of 3 main manga editorials want it because spokon manga sales in Spain are cursed (and Kuroko no Basket terrible sales gave spokon the final nail).
-Boku no Hero Academia: Manga licensed and up to day. Anime not licensed because main anime editorial is now busy releasing DVDs of old stuff from 90s (and while rights are by Viz Europe, they also had Yokai Watch and main anime editorial got it).
-Black Clover: Manga licensed and up to day. Anime licensed by main anime editorial.

Yep, Black Clover is the big winner.

Well, Neverland is also in Spain and Yuragi has big chances due to TLR circumstances but yeah, Black Clover received all the love and it's not the most popular here xD