Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[ChocoBar9]

thx for the quick reply lol, do you know where i can find these numbers for other series

http://www.geocities.jp/jump_manga/

 

[MangAniMY]

SD refurb known sold: 3897447

did some clunky math, My estimate right now is 4.4M+

 

[TyVip]

They get paid the same fixed salary plus profits from manga sales. .

Royalties =/= profits. What kind of publishing company give away their profit lol.

Ignoring merchandise for a second, and you will see it looks just like any publishing companies
Game dev gets money to make game, than when the game sold they get a percentage cut, the rest the publishing company keep to cover expense and make profit
Book + manga authors get money to write/draw, then they get a percentage for the number of volumes printed, the rest publishing company keep to cover expense and make profit.
Also if you think about it is way easier to pay them royalties through printed number not sales number. One pay check and done, more if that volume gets reprinted.

 

[MangAniMY]

***9319 **90806 Jujutsu Kaisen #01

just noticed this!

100k soon!!

 

[Tamil]

Wow, Kenshin's volume is doing great.

I recall Kubo having 4-5 author comments but half of them just ignored him.

Shimabukuro is Toriko author. Only Oda remembered him and not in author comments but in that One Piece cover page

Well him and Oda are bff's, it was pretty obvious that Oda would've given him a send-off in that One Piece cover page. Most Toriko fans saw it coming.

*Checks* Only Oda and Sorachi congratuled Shimabukuro for Toriko end.

It lasted 8 years. Seems Shimabukuro didn't leave a footprint for his colleages.

Also Furudate congratulated Shimabu the following issue.

I never got why a lot of mangaka's didn't congraulate Shimabu. At the time, I've seen people claim it was a generation/age gap and a lot of the mangaka's were new but I don't think that's the case. I highly doubt they don't know what Toriko is, especially mangaka's like Horikoshi/Tsukasa who had series serialized during the time of Toriko's major push. Those two mangaka's in particular should've said something.

 

[Doughboy]

HOw much money do people really expect an author to get back on merchandise like sticker packs/can badges/stationary that sell for like 3.99...and its not like they sell millions of stickers.

Id imagine Oda and co get more back based on higher price types of merch, as well as shows and other events, and probably the residuals from the anime, any advertising that uses one piece, more than selling stationary.

Also anime, every episode they get residuals. To create an anime episode is usually a budget of 300k from what someone posted before, network gets bread from ratings and commercials, production committee gets money from merch and other related figures like boosted manga sales, disk sales etc, original author gets a check for using their work which may be like $200-500 dollars per episode which ain't nothing in the grand scheme. I've always heard the author is the one that pays the assistants unless they're just starting out, I think it was Keijo!!! author who said Keijo tanked partly cause no assistants that they could pay

 

[ChocoBar9]

Royalties =/= profits. What kind of publishing company give away their profit lol.

"Profits" per volume. The publisher will give them the exact same pay while everything they make comes from royalties.

Ignoring merchandise for a second, and you will see it looks just like any publishing companies
Game dev gets money to make game, than when the game sold they get a percentage cut, the rest the publishing company keep to cover expense and make profit

The big difference is that mangaka do retain the rights to the series that gets published while game devs get fuck all since the publisher can just go to another company to make a game and retain all the assets. You don't see any stories of an artist getting canned and the publisher hiring a new author who draws exactly like him as a replacement to keep the series running the entire series just gets outright canned. This was actually a thing that Kodansha tried to do to their artists which didn't bold well.

Book + manga authors get money to write/draw, then they get a percentage for the number of volumes printed, the rest publishing company keep to cover expense and make profit.
Also if you think about it is way easier to pay them royalties through printed number not sales number. One pay check and done, more if that volume gets reprinted.

Yes that's what I meant they still get profits from how much is made per volume everything else goes to the company but that's still a a disproportionate amount compared to the royalties made through licensing.

 

[Tamil]

Wow I dont think the sales declined much for Food Wars...really?

 

[xAsum0x]

I had a weird funny dream about this thread

someone posted spoilers and the toc and in them it said "new series by Kotoyama" and people started pointing out this is Jump's response to Sunday snatching Yagi and Yagyuu
I however said the spoiler were obviously fake because "this is too good for Nak the hack to think of"

anyway, I should stop reading Dagashi kashi before going to bed

on a serious note, If Sunday keep doing this Jump should play it an eye for an eye and steal one of their artist

I would love to see Kotoyama or Shinobi no mangaka in Jump

Nak could make some good GM moves for once a make a trade for Marry Grave, could help the franchise out.

 

[iceemperor]

1437550 1441771 One Piece #90
*365115 *365115 My Hero Academia #20
*177889 *177889 Food Wars #31
*172160 *172160 Kenshin - Hokkaido #01
*142820 *142820 Dragon Ball Super #07
**73492 *146381 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #15
**72964 *143793 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #16
**72573 *141027 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #17
**72045 *138395 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #18
**71434 *137204 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #19
**70985 *136085 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #20
**69026 **69026 We Never Learn #08
**58651 **58651 Dr.Stone #07
**51908 **51908 Jujutsu Kaisen #02
**35605 **35605 Robot x Laserbeam #07 (Fin)
**20554 2085324 One Piece #89
**20238 **20238 Ao no Flasg #05
**17246 *667734 My Hero Academia #19
**16251 **16251 Vigilante – Boku no Hero Academia Illegals #05
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**14077 *427755 The Promised Neverland #10
**13195 *625572 Haikyu!! #33
**10616 *757530 My Hero Academia #17
**10565 *201803 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #11
**10499 *201452 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #12
**10480 *740675 My Hero Academia #18
**10456 *197599 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #13
**10406 *194503 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #14
**10075 *335898 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #1
***9411 *859197 My Hero Academia #14
***9319 **90806 Jujutsu Kaisen #01
***9280 *307634 Slamn Dunk (New Edition) #2

These sales are also slightly lower than they might be, even though they're higher than previous volumes because of that huge typhoon. I mean OP did 140k more than volume 88 despite having 3 extra days of sales. We'll see next week how much they grow from these initial numbers as there are still places in Japan that haven't gotten their copies of the volumes. Jujutsu Kaisen is killing it though. It'll most likely overtake Stone next volume.

EDIT: I messed up my numbers......

 

[KennyKuro]

Gorila-sensei right now:

Btw! Now that we found out about this news of the epilogue, I have several doubts: Usually how many chapters could an epilogue last in the Jump Giga? Has an event like this happened before? The only case I remember at this time is the Saiki epilogue... And the million dollar question: This ending was Sorachi's decision or did Jump want to finish Gintama once and for all?

 

[101nemesis]

*Checks* Only Oda and Sorachi congratuled Shimabukuro for Toriko end.

It lasted 8 years. Seems Shimabukuro didn't leave a footprint for his colleages.

I never got why a lot of mangaka's didn't congraulate Shimabu. At the time, I've seen people claim it was a generation/age gap and a lot of the mangaka's were new but I don't think that's the case. I highly doubt they don't know what Toriko is, especially mangaka's like Horikoshi/Tsukasa who had series serialized during the time of Toriko's major push. Those two mangaka's in particular should've said something.

Toriko just wasn't as big or influential as Bleach or Naruto were. Same reason hardly anyone said anything about Kuroko No Basket ending despite its mass appeal.
Bleach and Naruto basically lasted long enough (14-15 years) for mangaka who are right now in the magazine to have read while in school or college. So, they were influential and probably were inspirations to a lot of these people which a lot of people mentioned in the comments for Kubo in their own way.
Plus, at the very least, 15 years of a weekly series is deserving of its own recognition in WSJ.

 

[ChocoBar9]

I mean everyone knew Naruto ending was going to be a monumental occasion and of no surprise its final chapter was going to be in full color. Bleach didn't receive the same treatment but it was still deserving of all those comments. And of course Kochikame became the second series to get the final chapter cover in the front after 40 years of serialization. In comparison what did Toriko, Kuroko or AssClass deserve? Not much honestly. Thanks for not...overstaying your welcome I guess?

 

[Silverblade]

Yes that's what I meant they still get profits from how much is made per volume everything else goes to the company but that's still a a disproportionate amount compared to the royalties made through licensing.

This is kind of a bold claim to make without supporting it with numbers or at least estimates. Otherwise, those 8-15% of book royalties have always been reported as the main source of income for a mangaka. The salary, or manuscript payment, usually is barely enough to cover the taxes, staff salary and daily necessities.

Spoiler

Sato Shuho's example made a lot of noise at the start of this decade. His calculations went like this:

Income per month:
Umizaru manuscript payments: 800,000 yen

Costs per month:
Tax: 80,000 yen
Monthly pay for 3 assistants: 470,000 yen
Monthly food expenses for the staff: 100,000 yen
Cost of drawing materials and reference materials every month: 100,000 yen
Rent for the studio: 70,000 yen
Utilities bill and other misc expenses: 50,000 yen
Personal expenses: 130,000 yen

Total: deficit of 200,000 yen

And what about the licensing fees? For those who do recieve them, the licensing fees might make up a signficant part of their income, but by that point the mangaka has already made a fortune with volume royalties alone.

Spoiler

In 2010 Weekly Bunshun magazine estimated Oda Eiichiro's income:

Manga volume royalties: 1,29 billion yen
Licensing fees: 749 million yen
Total: 2 billion yen.

A few years later that estimate rose to 3,1 billion yen.

However, for the majority of mangaka who do not get any merchandise, anime or film adaptations, foreign versions or anything of the sort, this kind of income doesn't even come into the picture.

Maybe I am misunderstanding the point you are trying to make, but judging by the public data it seems to be very wrong.

 

[RafaFedKilla]

The success of mediocre manga like KnY and JuJutsu show that audiences are clammoring for decent battle manga. I have no clue what the EiC is thinking. He needs to be moved to a basement office.

 

[ChocoBar9]

stuff.

You do realize your data is incredibly outdated right? And One Piece's merchandise revenue triple that amount it was during that time period. Hell your data for its manga is when it's adjusted print run was still bellow 4 million. There's also the fact that you can't use one mangaka's adjusted income as the base for all of them because most don't publicly disclose that sort of information. Mangaka like Oda is always going to be the exception because One Piece always among the Bandai's top grossing franchise every year but to say that no mangaka gets anything from licenses is false given how they're well-known mangaka who sruvive purely based on royalties their properties make while never actually releasing a new volume.

 

[Doughboy]

The success of mediocre manga like KnY and JuJutsu show that audiences are clammoring for decent battle manga. I have no clue what the EiC is thinking. He needs to be moved to a basement office.

give act age a chance, acting is fun. Jump is going through a strange transition right now

 

[ChocoBar9]

The success of mediocre manga like KnY and JuJutsu show that audiences are clammoring for decent battle manga. I have no clue what the EiC is thinking. He needs to be moved to a basement office.

Wouldn't call KnY mediocre its very unique by battle manga standards even if the story plays with the same beats as its predecessors but I agree that Jujutsu is very derivative and just managed to find an audience by sheer luck. I do like the fact that despite the demand for more battle manga Jump is trying to reach out into more alternative sub genres so the magazine doesn't become over-saturated like it was the last decade.

 

[TyVip]

Quick question is Giga a monthly magazine? I thought it’s something the department throw together every 3 months with 4-5 new series and couple series from Jump to gather attraction, and it runs for couple issues only?

 

[LuckyJim]

I'm pretty sure Giga is quarterly, as in 4 issues a year, though the chapters can be much longer as a result.