Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Rain Spectre]

Wanting to kill their teachers?

Way to miss the literal entire point of the manga for a cheap punchline.

 

[TxxT]

This doesn't mean much, tomorrow is the real test

Still pretty underwhelming

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Way to miss the literal entire point of the manga for a cheap punchline.

Way to show you have zero sense of humor and also using to ignore the other part of the reply like you always do kkkkk

 

[Rain Spectre]

Way to show you have zero sense of humor and also using to ignore the other part of the reply like you always do kkkkk

I am amused by how much you take issue with me ignoring what you say. Could it be you're actually in love with me?

 

[TyVip]

Mangaka also improve on the job so even if a series isn't that polished in the beginning, it can become more so as the series progresses. Act-age and Kimetsu and even Jujutsu are examples of this. Just seeing their success makes me feel like it's okay for them to give a little more leeway.

Here's a thought provoking question: Is the series get better and become a success, or Shuiesha/Jump shoving it down people throat? Or both?

Because the first 3 volumes of Act Age sell below 25k each, and it doesn't increase until that fat campaign on the release of volume 4 for Act Age (I still have the pictures btw), same thing with Kimetsu.

A lots of people would agree that the Death Island arc and the Spider arc are a game changer for these two.

Pre Anime
Only Jujutsu is a strong seller right out of the gate (300k reprint by volume 2, increase to 350k in a week of release), on the other hand the other two
Kimetsu 1 million by volume 6, 1.5 million by volume 7, 2.5 million by volume 11
Act Age 300k by volume 4 (i think 4 or 5 reprints at this point for volume 1), 700k by volume 5, 1 mil by volume 6, 1.4 mil by volume 7

 

[El Jacco]

I can understand wanting a higher hurdle for entry but looking at stuff like Chainsawman, you can see that they're basically going for a diverse range of series. Chainsawman was actually on the fence as Nakano said in the recent Champion interview that many in the meeting felt it was a little too "extreme" and whether it was a Jump-ish series but they decided to "believe" in their readers and went forward with it and now it's booming.

Did this situation also happened with TPN? I know that the author, before serializing the series, needed to change a little bit of the original story to make it more Jump´d because it was more cruel that we had presented in the beginning.

Way to show you have zero sense of humor and also using to ignore the other part of the reply like you always do kkkkk

Isn´t that like, his opinion of the series? Don´t see why he should respond you when he has already made its points about the series constantly and with several posts.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Here's a thought provoking question: Is the series get better and become a success, or Shuiesha/Jump shoving it down people throat? Or both?

Because the first 3 volumes of Act Age sell below 25k each, and it doesn't increase until that fat campaign on the release of volume 4 for Act Age (I still have the pictures btw), same thing with Kimetsu.

A lots of people would agree that the Death Island arc and the Spider arc are a game changer for these two.

Pre Anime
Only Jujutsu is a strong seller right out of the gate (300k reprint by volume 2, increase to 350k in a week of release), on the other hand the other two
Kimetsu 1 million by volume 6, 1.5 million by volume 7, 2.5 million by volume 11
Act Age 300k by volume 4 (i think 4 or 5 reprints at this point for volume 1), 700k by volume 5, 1 mil by volume 6, 1.4 mil by volume 7

Nah. It's more an understanding that you need to capitalize on your budding stars by the time you know it's safe to do so. Even with Jujutsu, once it became clear it's potential growth, Jump commissioned a campaign with animated PVs and a massively popular seiyuu. It's typical stuff nowadays.

 

[TyVip]

Did this situation also happened with TPN? I know that the author, before serializing the series, needed to change a little bit of the original story to make it more Jump´d because it was more cruel that we had presented in the beginning.



Isn´t that like, his opinion of the series? Don´t see why he should respond you when he has already made its points about the series constantly and with several posts.

yes

here are two excepts (full interview here https://yakusokunoneverland.fandom.com/wiki/Interviews )

Spoiler: Quote

I thought “Well, I’ve obviously got no talent, then!”, and I very nearly gave up. Still, it would have been frustrating to just let it end like that, so I drew up one more rough manuscript, thinking I’d make it my last attempt, and that’s the one that became the basis for The Promised Neverland. It ended up being pretty long, though. While I was drawing it, it got to be over three hundred pages…

―Over three hundred pages, out of nowhere!?

Shirai:　Of course lots of things were completely different from the way they are in the current story, but to put it in terms of what it is now, it began with the protagonists discovering the secret of their orphanage and went up to the point where they escaped from it. Since that was the case, due to the nature of the project, I really couldn’t get it to fit inside the page limits for a one-shot.

Shirai: 　No, that was just how it had been back in that initial three hundred-page manuscript. When I came up with the story, I wasn’t trying to tailor it to Jump. Then, when I made the cold call, I didn’t really tinker with it; I just took it in as it was. I thought, “If they call me out on it, I’ll change that part,” but that was about it. In the end, Sugita-san didn’t say anything particularly negative about it, so we kept it as it was.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I am amused by how much you take issue with me ignoring what you say. Could it be you're actually in love with me?

What issue? i was literally being sarcastic about it since you do with everyone in this forum, again, no sense of humor or sarcasm, and i think you should ask that for yourself about Samurai 8, never saw someone promoting itself so much over a so called "failure".

 

[Konja9]

What issue? i was literally being sarcastic about it since you do with everyone in this forum, again, no sense of humor or sarcasm, and i think you should ask that for yourself about Samurai 8, never saw someone promoting itself so much over a so called "failure".

The tendency of Rain Spectre to give opinions as if these were facts or to constantly criticize a manga (each time another person praises it) can be quite annoying, but I do not feel that he/she deviates so much from the thread.

However, this need to confront Rain Spectre in a very aggressive way seems unnecessary and it really deviates from this thread.

 

[CrimsonEpitaph]

Still pretty underwhelming

I disagree.
Stone never had a hyped core fanbase that would hype the anime for other people (like Kimetsu has), it was always a manga that people talked about favorably, but never with intensity.
So people have less of an urge to say "man, I wonder what all the hype is about! I'll buy the volumes".

 

[Halloween]

The tendency of Rain Spectre to give opinions as if these were facts or to constantly criticize a manga (each time another person praises it) can be quite annoying, but I do not feel that he/she deviates so much from the thread.

However, this need to confront Rain Spectre in a very aggressive way seems unnecessary and it really deviates from this thread.

And I would agree with you. Everyone is pointing at Rain as if he's the sole problem, but the situation CAN be reduced if EVERYONE stepped back and calmed down. Yes, that includes the people arguing with him also.

Everyone involved can do better here. I really don't like singling out users like this, either.

 

[El Jacco]

Here's a thought provoking question: Is the series get better and become a success, or Shuiesha/Jump shoving it down people throat? Or both?

Because the first 3 volumes of Act Age sell below 25k each, and it doesn't increase until that fat campaign on the release of volume 4 for Act Age (I still have the pictures btw), same thing with Kimetsu.

A lots of people would agree that the Death Island arc and the Spider arc are a game changer for these two.

Pre Anime
Only Jujutsu is a strong seller right out of the gate (300k reprint by volume 2, increase to 350k in a week of release), on the other hand the other two
Kimetsu 1 million by volume 6, 1.5 million by volume 7, 2.5 million by volume 11
Act Age 300k by volume 4 (i think 4 or 5 reprints at this point for volume 1), 700k by volume 5, 1 mil by volume 6, 1.4 mil by volume 7

I would say that it's a bit of both.

Word of mouth its really important to have a succesful project, it´s being shown in many forms of media. For a manga to have such a spike in popularity, it needs to have a good word of mouth thats have been accumulating and getting larger with each volume that passes by. The marketing campaigns made this jump (heh) more visible and got more notoriety to the series.

Shueshia obviously know more about the reception of the series before the first volume comes out so if Act-Age or Kimetsu wouldnt have gotten a good reception, they wouldn't have wasted resources in series that would get canned. Of course, this still a gamble because no one will have known if these campaigns would have worked or not, but they decided to go with it because of the potential that these series had. Act-Age and Kimetsu got the big prize for being able to grow but for cases as David (Promised of a possible anime if it could sell) or Japan (An anime that it still running) these didn´t worked.

Saying that these series became a success because they got pushed it's not wrong, they absolutely were marketed heavily, but still shouldn't be a counter argument to say that they weren´t able to grow because of its own merits. Thats my take on this question.

 

[Rain Spectre]

I would say that it's a bit of both.

Word of mouth its really important to have a succesful project, it´s being shown in many forms of media. For a manga to have such a spike in popularity, it needs to have a good word of mouth thats have been accumulating and getting larger with each volume that passes by. The marketing campaigns made this jump (heh) more visible and got more notoriety to the series.

Shueshia obviously know more about the reception of the series before the first volume comes out so if Act-Age or Kimetsu wouldnt have gotten a good reception, they wouldn't have wasted resources in series that would get canned. Of course, this still a gamble because no one will have known if these campaigns would have worked or not, but they decided to go with it because of the potential that these series had. Act-Age and Kimetsu got the big prize for being able to grow but for cases as David (Promised of a possible anime if it could sell) or Japan (An anime that it still running) these didn´t worked.

Saying that these series became a success because they got pushed it's not wrong, they absolutely were marketed heavily, but still shouldn't be a counter argument to say that they weren´t able to grow because of its own merits. Thats my take on this question.

I'd like to point out as well that one major aspect when it comes to David and Japan is that the attempts at promotion came very much without any growth to build off of. David had some good reception but no sales (because unfortunately people aren't really that interested I imagine in buying something which is comparable to free webcomics), and Japan had an anime confirmed before Vol 1 even came out if I remember, it was purely done as an attempt to push it as a new series for children.

 

[CuriousReborn]

avid had some good reception but no sales

It didnt have good reception, where exactly is this coming from. Nobody read it in the first place for it to have good reception.

 

[tirakai]

I always figured with the series with shakier starts ToC-wise, a lot of people probably just don't want to start spending money on a series that might get cancelled just as they're getting invested. Once they become clear hits that'll stick around however (like Kimetsu after Spider Mountain and Act-age after Death Island) they're willing to start supporting it properly. Then the bigger success gets more people buying and the popularity snowballs.

There's different levels of consumers after all, the trend setters who go for new unknowns, people in the middle who'll support some new things if it really catches there attention but not go out of their way for normal stuff, and the trend followers who'll only support something once they know it's popular.

 

[Rain Spectre]

I always figured with the series with shakier starts ToC-wise, a lot of people probably just don't want to start spending money on a series that might get cancelled just as they're getting invested. Once they become clear hits that'll stick around however (like Kimetsu after Spider Mountain and Act-age after Death Island) they're willing to start supporting it properly. Then the bigger success gets more people buying and the popularity snowballs.

There's different levels of consumers after all, the trend setters who go for new unknowns, people in the middle who'll support some new things if it really catches there attention but not go out of their way for normal stuff, and the trend followers who'll only support something once they know it's popular.

Exactly!

And that's a major hurdle that keeping hindering gag manga, when do you get "that point" when it becomes clear the manga is here to stay? They're almost completely episodic, there's really no way of knowing when they'll "pick up" in popularity, and often Jump sticks them at the back of the magazine regardless of performance, meaning it's basically impossible to know how well it's doing. Gag manga from their very infrastructure seem to dissuade readers from making the meaningful decision to actually purchase it.

 

[BaNChiGay]

Will Herofest will give any news for MHA?

 

[animeexpert]

Oh, much of the discussion was def because of the manga itself, but I think it's pretty certain Jump only gave it such a big first print run was because they knew the series could be molded into a new pillar for the roster.

Just like black clover. When naruto and bleach anime ended, jump needed another pillar push which is mha and bc saving them for the right time.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Just like black clover. When naruto and bleach anime ended, jump needed another pillar push which is mha and bc saving them for the right time.

Black Clover wasn't pushed nearly as heavily, first printing was just 30k. HeroAca was very much Jump backing something that could fill the massive gap Naruto was going to leave.