Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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Bro ecchi exist since the BIRTH of wsj, harenchi,, renna ect ect. Tell me 5 successful isekai in WSJ, nope cuz this magazine isn't meant for isekai. You will only encourage writer to have this oversatured genre that is already super populair outside wsj, so what for need is there for having that in this magazine?

Haha and please don't compare isekai of today, with shonen. That's just too foul
I don't know, some variety might be nice. We have literally four demon/devil fighting series running concurrently in WSJ right now, all of which are popular in their own right. Does that make the magazine any more "oversatured"(sic)? And more importantly, what does it matter if the quality is high(the exact reason those four are running concurrently)?
 

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I'd much rather have a proper fantasy world than an isekai show, there's rare ones that build the world properly but the vast majority are just lazy excuses to not bother with real world-building since they just have it be a generic mmo world except MC is the strongest.

Also sure it's technically variety in wsj but there's 4-5 isekai anime per season these days, a wsj isekai will not stand out.
 

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Because IsEkaI is too controversial. Demon & exorcism is now more refined and was always seen as something > interesting <. Jump is simply an tradition and noway they want to *bleach* that symbol for what it did for shonen. (Lel get it bleach) :teehee

I came here to see interesting comments about hori x kubo. But suddenly an ISeKai topic here in wsj, yeh I'm out for a bit. I cant take this srsly anymore:slowly
You act like the genre has never existed in the magazine before, and that WSJ would be forever tainted by the existence of an Isekai.

World Trigger is considered an Isekai by enough people in Japan that it cracked the Top 10 in an Isekai poll, and it ran in WSJ for over five years. It’s loved by a lot of people in this thread to boot, still currently in the Top 5 of Mankichi’s ongoing Best 2010s Series poll.

I don’t necessarily want or need the genre in WSJ myself, but it’s a genre with some variety and a fairly loose definition. We could easily get a new series added to the magazine that is technically an Isekai, but still feels unique and fresh.
 

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I think manga about traveling between Jump worlds while having its own decent plot would be very interesting
 

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You act like the genre has never existed in the magazine before, and that WSJ would be forever tainted by the existence of an Isekai.

World Trigger is considered an Isekai by enough people in Japan that it cracked the Top 10 in an Isekai poll, and it ran in WSJ for over five years. It’s loved by a lot of people in this thread to boot, still currently in the Top 5 of Mankichi’s ongoing Best 2010s Series poll.

I don’t necessarily want or need the genre in WSJ myself, but it’s a genre with some variety and a fairly loose definition. We could easily get a new series added to the magazine that is technically an Isekai, but still feels unique and fresh.
The thing about world trigger. It's not about an mc from human earth transported or reincarnated to an mmorpg and gets an harem for whatever reason and only focus on jesus mc saving the day. As long it doesnt follow the traditional blue print of today's isekai, (aka truck-kun). Jump will allow it, otherwise it would end up like that one manga that wanted to be an isekai too but got instant axed.

As long the manga distinct itself from the typical. it's ok. Otherwise Nooooh

That's what the oversatured market exist in the genre now, and talking about it already give me an headache.:fry-_-;:sweatdrop
 

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The thing about world trigger. It's not about an mc from human earth transported or reincarnated to an mmorpg and gets an harem for whatever reason and only focus on jesus mc saving the day. As long it doesnt follow the traditional blue print of today's isekai, (aka truck-kun). Jump will allow it, otherwise it would end up like that one manga that wanted to be an isekai too but got instant axed.

As long the manga distinct itself from the typical. it's ok. Otherwise Nooooh

That's what the oversatured market exist in the genre now, and talking about it already give me an headache.:fry-_-;:sweatdrop
Okay, but the question isn’t “Would you want a stereotypical, by-the-books Isekai in WSJ?”

Lots of WSJ series are unique spins on an existing genre. It’s not crazy to expect that from a WSJ take on Isekai, and World Trigger is already a solid example of that.
 

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Isekai is very popular genre not only in Japan but in West too (ShieldHero, SAO, Re:Zero) and China so far as I know (which is secund biggest market for anime after Japan). WSJ is business so follow money if WSJ executive will seen potential in isekai genre than invest in it.
 

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What would an Isekai manga need to do in order for it to work in Jump? I had originally was going to give my support for a Jump Isekai manga as I thought it would be interesting but... honestly, I’m really conflicted now.

Personally, I do think that an Isekai manga would have to adopt battle shonen tropes for it to have a chance in Jump, which I think should means that overpowered MCs in the beginning of the story wouldn’t work. It would be relatively easy to get kids to relate to the MC, since Isekai MCs are usually self-inserts anyways. But I also think that most Jump MCs have to be inspiring in some way or fashion. They always strive to become better, stronger people. I guess I’m saying that the MC would have to be an active one, instead of the usually passive roles we get.

As for the love interests, well, some Jump MCs feature quite a few girls taking a liking to him anyways, so an Isekai would feel right at home here. XD

Like most genres, I think it’s honestly all about execution. If it’s a good manga, Isekai or not, people will read it.
 

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Okay, but the question isn’t “Would you want a stereotypical, by-the-books Isekai in WSJ?”

Lots of WSJ series are unique spins on an existing genre. It’s not crazy to expect that from a WSJ take on Isekai, and World Trigger is already a solid example of that.
if we get an manga that can pull something like world trigger. im fine. but thats something only a couple can pull of, and a couple in jump is an super low success.

having a vote for ''do you want an isekai series'' is too ridicilous for me and again, thats coming from who was a big fan of the genre.
 
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The problem with creating polls is that it becomes harder and harder to think up new ideas for them. Eventually I felt it was necessary to get assistance in that regard, which Kolbe kindly stepped up to assist with.

The isekai idea was something that just popped in my head, literally right before bed. I don't recall there ever being an isekai in the magazine, so I thought it would be an interesting topic of discussion, considering how popular the genre can be.

There's absolutely zero reason to be abrasive about the subject, though. Also, the genre can be good, if done right, even with WSJ properties. I seem to recall a Yamcha isekai from Dragon Ball being really well received.

Anyway, I've decided to edit the poll question to better reflect my original intent. The votes have also been reset.
 

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I just realized how packed January will be. 12 titles from the main magazine are releasing volumes (including Yozakura and Mitama's 1st volumes) plus new volumes of SXF, Boruto, World's End Harem, Darling in the Franxxx and OP spin-offs. Surprised they

 

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As for the Isekai in WSJ, I personally wouldn't mind. But, it would need a fresh twist in the genre for it to work. Most recently successful isekais have brought new ideas that didn't change the core of the genre, but made the story different in its own terms.


Is this the first time KNY 17 is #1 in the daily ranking? Wow...
It was #1 for a few days like one or two weeks ago.
 

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The problem with creating polls is that it becomes harder and harder to think up new ideas for them. Eventually I felt it was necessary to get assistance in that regard, which Kolbe kindly stepped up to assist with.

The isekai idea was something that just popped in my head, literally right before bed. I don't recall there ever being an isekai in the magazine, so I thought it would be an interesting topic of discussion, considering how popular the genre can be.

There's absolutely zero reason to be abrasive about the subject, though. Also, the genre can be good, if done right, even with WSJ properties. I seem to recall a Yamcha isekai from Dragon Ball being really well received.

Anyway, I've decided to edit the poll question to better reflect my original intent. The votes have also been reset.
didnt meant to bash you, i had a discussion earlier with isekai here but got debunked ofc how unrealistic it feels having it in the magazine. if its an well-done done isekai like WT,YYH, Bleach. not the junk food ones. also it should be limited for 1 isekai in the magazine, not more. im not reading jump to read an isekai anyway, so
 
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Anyway, I've decided to edit the poll question to better reflect my original intent. The votes have also been reset.
Everyone want well done series regardless of genre.

didnt meant to bash you, i had a discussion earlier with isekai here but got debunked ofc how unrealistic it feels having it in the magazine. if its an well-done done isekai like WT,YYH, Bleach. not the junk food ones. also it should be limited for 1 isekai in the magazine, not more. im not reading jump to read an isekai anyway, so
I personelly prefer Bleach than SAO but 'well done' is subjective thing for another person SAO can be more 'well done' than Bleach.
 
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Everyone want well done series regardless of genre.



I personelly prefer Bleach than SAO but 'well done' is subjective thing for another person SAO can be more 'well done' than Bleach.
well... i mean i dont want to praise sao much but sao is The ''isekai'' even tho its not an isekai that opened the door for the new gen, made the blue print and pretty much broke the web light novel industry. where publishers it finally took them seriously in the market. sao is pretty much the ''dragonball z'' of isekai. and also a few other that only populairize it such as Problem children from another world, overlord

ofc you can talk about earlier isekais or HACK. series that also paved the wave for its genre. but sao is the one that refined it and most importantly, broke a freaking industry.

for my reason i will call Sao ''well-done'' even tho that it had errors and still for my reason has.

also dont you find it bizzare that almost every isekai mc nowadays has pretty much a kirito rip-off design :derp hint hint
 
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You act like the genre has never existed in the magazine before, and that WSJ would be forever tainted by the existence of an Isekai.

World Trigger is considered an Isekai by enough people in Japan that it cracked the Top 10 in an Isekai poll, and it ran in WSJ for over five years. It’s loved by a lot of people in this thread to boot, still currently in the Top 5 of Mankichi’s ongoing Best 2010s Series poll.

I don’t necessarily want or need the genre in WSJ myself, but it’s a genre with some variety and a fairly loose definition. We could easily get a new series added to the magazine that is technically an Isekai, but still feels unique and fresh.
Hmm, this same poll has Spirited Away as number 1, so I think the definition of isekai they use is very broad.
This article says "The isekai genre is wide and varied, but it typically follows a group of people transported to “another world” of sorts."
Going by that definition even Yu Yu Hakusho and Dr. Stone can be considered isekais.

As for the tierlist, unfortunately I'll do it in plain text since tierlist is a mobile nightmare.
S: ...
A: The Last Sayuuki
B: Mitama, Yozakura
C: Double Taisei, Chainsawman
Trash: Kamio Yui
The others I did not read enough
 
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