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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

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Collab poster by Kishimoto
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Calculated estimates for newbies:

#58 MASHLE 15.458
#71 Undead Unluck 13.521
#86 Yozakura 11.286

Estimates volume to volume:

Yozakura Vol. 1 (6): 11.330 / 13.960 / ... (14.253 Monthly)
Yozakura Vol. 2 (3): 6.595 / 11.795 / ... (15.160 Monthly)
Yozakura Vol. 3 (4): 11.286 / ...

Mitama Vol. 1 (6): 4.953 / ...
Mitama Vol. 2 (5): 4.480 / ...
Mitama Vol. 3 (4): 3.821 / ...

Undead Unluck Vol. 1 (3): 7.610 / 12.624 / ... (15.232 Monthly)
Undead Unluck Vol. 2 (4): 13.521 / ...

MASHLE Vol. 1 (4): 15.458 / ...
Thanks for this!!
So it seems there is an evident growth for both Yozakura and UU, which is really great. Which makes me wonder why is Undead falling on Shoseki right now, seeing it doesn't have a reprint scheduled.
 

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Calculated estimates for newbies:

#58 MASHLE 15.458
#71 Undead Unluck 13.521
#86 Yozakura 11.286

Estimates volume to volume:

Yozakura Vol. 1 (6): 11.330 / 13.960 / ... (14.253 Monthly)
Yozakura Vol. 2 (3): 6.595 / 11.795 / ... (15.160 Monthly)
Yozakura Vol. 3 (4): 11.286 / ...

Mitama Vol. 1 (6): 4.953 / ...
Mitama Vol. 2 (5): 4.480 / ...
Mitama Vol. 3 (4): 3.821 / ...

Undead Unluck Vol. 1 (3): 7.610 / 12.624 / ... (15.232 Monthly)
Undead Unluck Vol. 2 (4): 13.521 / ...

MASHLE Vol. 1 (4): 15.458 / ...


Edit: Made it all an excel because procrastinating instead of studying for my finals is what I'm best at:

Thats quite the growth for both Undead and Yozakura from one volume to another, was expecting something more subtle with Yozakura :beer
 

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Calculated estimates for newbies:

#58 MASHLE 15.458
#71 Undead Unluck 13.521
#86 Yozakura 11.286

Estimates volume to volume:

Yozakura Vol. 1 (6): 11.330 / 13.960 / ... (14.253 Monthly)
Yozakura Vol. 2 (3): 6.595 / 11.795 / ... (15.160 Monthly)
Yozakura Vol. 3 (4): 11.286 / ...

Mitama Vol. 1 (6): 4.953 / ...
Mitama Vol. 2 (5): 4.480 / ...
Mitama Vol. 3 (4): 3.821 / ...

Undead Unluck Vol. 1 (3): 7.610 / 12.624 / ... (15.232 Monthly)
Undead Unluck Vol. 2 (4): 13.521 / ...

MASHLE Vol. 1 (4): 15.458 / ...


Edit: Made it all an excel because procrastinating instead of studying for my finals is what I'm best at:

So I was right with my guess of between 15k and 18k for Mashle's first week, though it was much closer to 15k than 18k. And all the people expecting 20k, 30k or even more in one week, lol. Even Mashle gotta need time to gain a fandom for that. So where is my Puffcream as reward?
Glad to see that UU nearly doubled his first week sales even if it is done with one sale day extra. WSJ should be happy with that growth.
Mitama is falling... I don't think even the gag position can save it now with so many gag series in the bowl...
Youakura is on the same lvl as vol.1? But after 4 days instead of 6 days so it is a growth albeit not a very big one.
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Thanks for this!!
So it seems there is an evident growth for both Yozakura and UU, which is really great. Which makes me wonder why is Undead falling on Shoseki right now, seeing it doesn't have a reprint scheduled.
Given this

Undead Unluck:

Vol.1: #29 > #65 > #194 > #54
Vol.2: #25 > #59 > #70 > #154

I think it is because there is not enough volumes to sell, once it gets a reprint we might see Vol.2 rise again. WSJ really got hardcore conservative with prints for new mangakas. Which makes sense for no-name mangakas but after their huge fail with S8 (of which we still don't know if they really printed 300k or not for the first volume) you would expect them to give newbies a little more leeway before watching their daily sales drop because there is nothing to sell left.
 

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A little more info on Ayakashi Triangle. Lemme guess, the childhood friend is gonna be a total tsundere type or something like that, and that’s where the majority of the comedy’s gonna come from. Maybe a light harem with better girls that have no chance.

Hopefully I’m wrong. The art looks nice, though. Cant wait to see it in color tomorrow.
 

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I'm crossing fingers. I want Ayakashi Triangle to do well, survive and become a hit.

Yabuki, I believe in you.

 

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Spotless Love ended, another of Manga+'s series from Jump+. That's two in a pretty short time.

I wonder if they'll pick up new jump+ stuff to replace them soon or they'll wait a while since we've got the new WSJ manga coming up.
 
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Spotless Love, ended another of Manga+'s series from Jump+. That's two in a pretty short time.

I wonder if they'll pick up new jump+ stuff to replace them soon or they'll wait a while since we've got the new WSJ manga coming up.
Hina Change is likely ending this week too. Three in a row.
 

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Spotless Love ended, another of Manga+'s series from Jump+. That's two in a pretty short time.

I wonder if they'll pick up new jump+ stuff to replace them soon or they'll wait a while since we've got the new WSJ manga coming up.
What other manga ended? I forget.
 

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Blue Flag also ended not too long ago and hasn't been replaced. Hina Change, The Vertical World and Summertime Rendering are all in fairly final seeming arcs as well although they could have some time remaining.
 

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All attractive male characters, in other words. Hardly surprising if I'm honest.
I mean heck, even Detective Conan has a gigantic fujo following. Most battle shonen in particular will always have a degree of fujo following as long as male characters exist and interact (or not even).
That's not just fujo, that's shippers in general. I remember there being a sizable fanbase for Kaiba x Serenity (Shizuka) in Yu-Gi-Oh, even though they never talked to each other (well, technically, she addressed him once in the anime. He didn't respond. Chemistry!)

For a comparison, vol 3 of Gokutei Higuma that was already canceled with 19 chapters (and a epilogue on Plus) was at #155 on it's 4th day, so Mitama is really performing bad which is quite weird taking in count all the efforts, seems like is just not able to click with a bigger audience.
Still waiting for that one to come out in a language I can understand. But yeah, I'm pretty sure Mitama is done.

Hina Change is likely ending this week too. Three in a row.
The Sign of Abyss, too.

It's kind of crazy how many series have been finishing up these last three months.

S8
I'm from Japan
ZIPMAN
Blue Flag
(Mizore-chan)
Kimetsu
East, Into the Night
(Romantic Killer)
Yuuna
Spotless

The Sign of Abyss
Hina Change?
Neverland
Guardian of the Witch
Mitama?
 
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East Into the Night. The writer of that had a bit of a meltdown on twitter as a result.
I'm still sad about that one. It was...unique, in the way of presentation and I liked the premise and loved the main characters. Funny how similar it sounded to WK of The Time Paradox Ghostwriter but got done in after a couple chapters. Maybe I should reread it, write down all the mentioned but ofc never reached plotpoints and write a fanfic how I imagined it could have gone until they found the "Morning". Hope the mangaka returns with another story sometime in the future. Wouldn't want to see him gone after that disaster of his first try. Because it wasn't bad, it was quite good, it just couldn't reach a large audience and probably would have needed some story acceleration to get to the meaty plotpoints quickly enough, similar to how in WT the Editor told Ashihara to cut the SoL part of Yuuma in Human World and push Jin to show up earlier in the story. That just didn't happened here.
 

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As someone who used to be way too critic towards new WSJ manga, I have to agree. For example two years ago, when Jujutsu Kaisen was still fairly new, I was incredibly nitpicky when criticizing the first three chapters. I criticized every little detail I could find, failing to realize that most of those details don't matter to new readers. This was at the time when we still only had access to the first three translated chapters. I ended up dropping the manga.

A few months later I took a peek at chapter 15 and it actually looked very interesting. I planned on reading it again at some point, but never got to it until last week. And I have to say the first three chapters I heavily criticized back were actually fine. The series overall so far up to where I am right now (chapter 33) is a well written battle shounen. But it still takes a few chapters time early on until you can see that.

So I think in general, the big picture of a WSJ manga matters a lot more early on than small details. A series captures an audience because of things like an interesting premise, good comedy combined with either good art or art that is great at telling the story the author wants to tell. Most readers usually aren't nitpicky early into the series, because they don't know it yet. Rather than looking at some small details, they are looking for something that hooks them into the series.

I think this is especially what TPGW does very well. It has a really interesting premise that hooks you in. While personally, I found it a little weird how Aino accepted so fast that someone else came up with the same story, that's her character. And most readers probably aren't going to criticize small details of a character early on as long as there's an interesting premise and good art. I think it's best to wait until we can see the direction the manga takes before criticizing small details like this. At least I could appreciate the premise of Jujutsu Kaisen a lot more when I knew that it would get interesting.
The problem is, whether or not you can stand the main character isn't really a small detail. Sure, he can still redeem himself, but this is the kind of thing that can seriously hamper someone's enjoyment of the manga.

I mean, Death Note had a lunatic MC whose actions were often a mystery to the reader and it was still incredibly popular. You don't necessarily need a relatable MC if the premise is built on a conflict. That's the main difference from TPGW to most other manga.

The majority of manga is built on the characters while TPGW is built on a main conflict between characters, similar to how Death Note at the beginning was built on the conflict between Light and L or TPN at the beginning was built on the conflict between Emma, Norman, Ray with Isabella. Just that in this case, only one of the characters is aware of the conflict.
Light wasn't an incomprehensible lunatic. All of his thought processes were perfectly logical and easy to understand, even if you didn't agree with them.

And the conflicts in Death Note and TPGW are hardly similar. In DN, Light was facing off against L (a world famous detective) and holding his own. In TPGW, the MC is only facing himself, and failing miserably.
 

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Haha. Ofc I get banned for a week the week Yabuki and Tamura are announced to be returning and miss out on the initial discussion.
Really can't wait. The state of the magazine is so exciting rn.
 

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https://alu.jp/myHotManga/ranking?result

Ranking for "Hottest manga everyone is following at the moment!" on alu:

2. World Trigger
3. Jujutsu Kaisen
4. Chainsawman
5. Kimetsu no Yaiba
6. Haikyuu!
7. Act-age
8. My Hero Academia
9. SpyxFamily
12. Undead Unluck
13. Dr.STONE
15. One Piece
17. The Promised Neverland
23. Mashle
25. HunterxHunter
28. Katekyo Hitman Reborn
29. Gintama
32. Jigokuraku
44. Yozakura Family
47. Agravity Boys
63. Bleach
66. Black Clover
82. 2.5 Dimensional Girl
88. Summer Time Render
96. Dragon Ball Super

From Jump SQ we also have:
41. Ao no Exorcist
92. Moriarty the Patriot
100. The New Prince of Tennis

From Young Jump we also have:
1. Kaguya
19. Golden Kamuy
20. Kingdom
 

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#1 Kimetsu no Yaiba - 1,371,652
#2
Jujutsu Kaisen - 236,885
#3
World Trigger - 212,620
#4
Chainsaw Man - 149,998
#5
Ao no Exorcist - 147,304
#6
Natsume Yuujinchou - 125,658
#7
Haikyuu!! - 86,503
#8
Spy x Family - 84,408
#9
Owari no Seraph - 80,571
#10
Fire Force - 72,894

Kimetsu no Yaiba's 2020 sales: 50,467,530
 

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A little more info on Ayakashi Triangle. Lemme guess, the childhood friend is gonna be a total tsundere type or something like that, and that’s where the majority of the comedy’s gonna come from. Maybe a light harem with better girls that have no chance.

Hopefully I’m wrong. The art looks nice, though. Cant wait to see it in color tomorrow.
Know what? I changed my mind. I'd honestly love a good mix of decent action and decent romance from Yabuki. I hear Black Cat's a cult favorite, so hopefully his writing skills have improved or have not rusted in the time since then. I can definitely see this becoming a mainstay in the magazine, which is more than I can say for most of the other newbies, except maybe MASHLE.
 

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Know what? I changed my mind. I'd honestly love a good mix of decent action and decent romance from Yabuki. I hear Black Cat's a cult favorite, so hopefully his writing skills have improved or have not rusted in the time since then. I can definitely see this becoming a mainstay in the magazine, which is more than I can say for most of the other newbies, except maybe MASHLE.
I believe that Ayakashi triangle will compete directly with Yozakura Family and Bone collection, after all he will follow the path of romantic comedy with action.
 
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