Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

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These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Boruto also showed a little increase, vol 9 sold 110k with 10 days while vol 10 sold 112k with 9 days, good thing considering the slowly drop each new volume

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Even with less days Volume 41 is doing much better than the previous 2 volumes

Haikyu!! #39: 356,785 (12 days)
Haikyu!! #40: 329,923 (10 days)
Haikyu!! #41: 372,767 (9 days)

Also another big drop for this One Piece volume, I'm gonna say Kimetsu surpasses it next month

Damn, a increase of almost 50k from one volume to another, thats crazy, hoping that the anime can make increase even more

 

[101nemesis]

Oricon Weekly Ranking - 01/06~01/12




#1 The Promised Neverland 17
#2 One Piece 95
#3 Haikyuu!! 41
#4 Spy x Family 3
#7 Kimetsu no Yaiba 17
#8 Kimetsu no Yaiba 16
#9 Kimetsu no Yaiba 15
#10 Kimetsu no Yaiba 14
#11 Kimetsu no Yaiba 13
#12 Kimetsu no Yaiba 1
#13 Kimetsu no Yaiba 12
#14 Black Clover 23
#15 Kimetsu no Yaiba 2
#16 Jujutsu Kaisen 8
#17 Jujutsu Kaisen 9
#18 Kimetsu no Yaiba 3
#19 Kimetsu no Yaiba 4
#20 Boruto 10
#22 World's End Harem 10
#26 We Never Learn 15
#27 Kimetsu no Yaiba 5
#29 Kimetsu no Yaiba 6
#31 Chainsaw Man 5
#32 Kimetsu no Yaiba 18
#35 Kimetsu no Yaiba 11
#36 Kimetsu no Yaiba 10
#37 Kimetsu no Yaiba 9
#38 Kimetsu no Yaiba 7
#39 Kimetsu no Yaiba 8
#40 Spy x Family 2
#42 Spy x Family 1
#43 Kimetsu no Yaiba Official Fanbook

That OP drop. KNY has a real chance of passing OP volumes sales now. This is insane.
To think a series that sold 70k first week a year ago is now on the verge of possibly selling more than OP volumes. Imagine the laugh past us would've had if someone told us this at this point last year.

 

[Ryuusei]

That OP drop. KNY has a real chance of passing OP volumes sales now. This is insane.
To think a series that sold 70k first week a year ago is now on the verge of possibly selling more than OP volumes. Imagine the laugh the past us would've had if someone told us this.

It still feels like a fever dream honestly. This boost is something we see once in many years.

 

[OniluapL]

One Piece is not dropping much more than the usual, it will to just a little less than 92 and 94, I think. Kimetsu reaching it is absurd, it's been extremely difficult for a series to reach 1kk (I think volumes of Boku no Hero and Haikyuu got to it, but not until a looong while, right?), and Kimetsu is already above 1,5kk in what, 6 weeks?

 

[Ryuusei]

One Piece is not dropping much more than the usual, it will to just a little less than 92 and 94, I think. Kimetsu reaching it is absurd, it's been extremely difficult for a series to reach 1kk (I think volumes of Boku no Hero and Haikyuu got to it, but not until a looong while, right?), and Kimetsu is already above 1,5kk in what, 6 weeks?

Yes, 6 weeks so far, volume 19 will do that in a much shorter time span. Also, both MHA and HQ had volumes reaching 1 million after a year, with MHA taking much longer than that.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Samurai 8 Vol 3 is at 266 on Shoseki as of the 15th.

For reference, at the comparatively same time, Vol 1 was at 127, and Vol 2 164.

OUCH

 

[Thores]

Samurai 8 Vol 3 is at 266 on Shoseki as of the 15th.

For reference, at the comparatively same time, Vol 1 was at 127, and Vol 2 164.

OUCH

None of the other 2019 debuts were even charting with their Volume 3s at this point in their lifespan, let alone their Volume 2s.

This is less of an “OUCH” and more of an “Oh”.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Speaking of, no numbers yet for volume 3 this week?

 

[OniluapL]

Speaking of, no numbers yet for volume 3 this week?

We haven't gotten the top100 from Oricon lately, so probably not. However, it was at #99 in shoseki, and the estimate for 100th place is 8750, so we have a decent idea of how it's doing.

 

[RafaFedKilla]

....Holy shit, seriously?

Because, if that's the case, then this is much, much worse. I seriously don't think we need Rance as a Jump hero.

That's what the motto "attractiveness of character" gets you.

 

[Jhonathan]

Good night to everyone. So after reading the last discussion, I can see how some of you react to things like violence and sexual harassment in shonen manga. But i would like to ask, what is your view on the depiciton of another kind of sensitive topics, such as suicide and bullying?

For example, Bakugou of Boku no hero, is a bully who not only encourages Deku to commit suicide, but later on the series tries to mortally injure him. But he's treated as part of the heroes, even though he never is really punished for his past actions. His abusses eventually even become jokes

 

[Rain Spectre]

Good night to everyone. So after reading the last discussion, I can see how some of you react to things like violence and sexual harassment in shonen manga. But i would like to ask, what is your view on the depiciton of another kind of sensitive topics, such as suicide and bullying?

For example, Bakugou of Boku no hero, is a bully who not only encourages Deku to commit suicide, but later on the series tries to mortally injure him. But he's treated as part of the heroes, even though he never is really punished for his past actions. His abusses eventually even become jokes

Bakugo's "go kill yourself" is a far less serious statement in Japanese. It's more just showing him as a bad tempered punk with an ego.

 

[OniluapL]

Good night to everyone. So after reading the last discussion, I can see how some of you react to things like violence and sexual harassment in shonen manga. But i would like to ask, what is your view on the depiciton of another kind of sensitive topics, such as suicide and bullying?

For example, Bakugou of Boku no hero, is a bully who not only encourages Deku to commit suicide, but later on the series tries to mortally injure him. But he's treated as part of the heroes, even though he never is really punished for his past actions. His abusses eventually even become jokes

He isn't reaaally punished, but he's never made to be in the right or as if there's nothing wrong about what he's doing either. Besides, yeah, it's not thaaat heavy. I don't remember the part about it becoming a joke, though?

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Good night to everyone. So after reading the last discussion, I can see how some of you react to things like violence and sexual harassment in shonen manga. But i would like to ask, what is your view on the depiciton of another kind of sensitive topics, such as suicide and bullying?

For example, Bakugou of Boku no hero, is a bully who not only encourages Deku to commit suicide, but later on the series tries to mortally injure him. But he's treated as part of the heroes, even though he never is really punished for his past actions. His abusses eventually even become jokes

I have seen a lot of people that really hates Bakugo and points his actions and what you said as the reason why they hate him, even the joke thing, i also read some translations of a video interview with Horikoshi where he said something like thinking Bakugo's atitude in the beginning was a bit "too much" so he softened with time, which you can see in the manga progression.

My opinion is kinda neutral about Bakugo, i like the character and always saw him more like a "Vegeta" of BNHA, but you can see some kind of double standard in the western fanbase with people defending him with a passion (specially fujoshis) despite him being a real "bully and asshole" while acting like Mineta is the worst thing on earth just because he is pervy despite being a nice guy.

 

[WyldViolet]

Good night to everyone. So after reading the last discussion, I can see how some of you react to things like violence and sexual harassment in shonen manga. But i would like to ask, what is your view on the depiciton of another kind of sensitive topics, such as suicide and bullying?

For example, Bakugou of Boku no hero, is a bully who not only encourages Deku to commit suicide, but later on the series tries to mortally injure him. But he's treated as part of the heroes, even though he never is really punished for his past actions. His abusses eventually even become jokes

Bakugou was intended to be read as an arrogant, talented, yet insecure kid with severe projection issues.
I don't always think it was executed well, but he was always intended to have a character arc of emotional maturity which gives the behavior substance.

 

[supercow297]

Regardless if she were to enjoy it, it doesn't set a good example for young boys (and girls) that groping women without their consent is okay.

If she was enjoying it in the CP wouldn't it be implied that the situation is more wholesome and that she probably gave consent beforehand? I'm not saying that's how it works in the real world but what I mean is at least if she was smiling confidently and had her arms around the dude as well then the first impression would be that everything is currently A-ok.
Don't get so triggered that you get blinded and fail to comprehend other's points.

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I was gonna stay out of this topic but this comment...;

1. This is a magazine aimed at a children and teenagers. One of the biggest driving influences behind teenagers and children are the stuff they read and see aka stuff like this.

2. Learning to "tolerate" something does not make that thing right. People have been "tolerating" sexual harassment for decades. Does not make it right, in any way or form.

3. You underestimate how often people find it hard to distinguish fiction from reality.

Spoiler: From personal experience

I've witnessed this first hand multiple times when walking with my best friend (who is a female) when random guys catcall or sing romantic songs as she walks by. Something that is overly seen in Indian movies.
She has two options in that scenario. Either just walk off and not say anything thereby giving these men the impression they can do it again to someone, or call them out publicly which often forces them to say shit like "i'm sorry, sister. I was just singing, sister" and run scared.

4. WSJ should do better. It's not the 1970s or even 90s. We are in 2020. Having a series with that as a LCP is literally the most degrading shit ever.

I understand a genre called Ecchi exists. But WSJ should really start drawing a line. If they thought a series like AOT was too graphic for their magazine, shit like this should be too obscene for their magazine.

Catcalling or singing romantic songs is not something that I think should be censored in media. I get that it's hard on your friend, doesn't mean it shouldn't be portrayed.

 

[Caiops]

Is KnY really going to surpass One Piece in individual volumes sales?

Wtf, imagine the boost after the movie.

And i thought KnY would be a 450k seller, lol.

 

[supercow297]

I was gonna stay out of this topic but this comment...;

1. This is a magazine aimed at a children and teenagers. One of the biggest driving influences behind teenagers and children are the stuff they read and see aka stuff like this.

2. Learning to "tolerate" something does not make that thing right. People have been "tolerating" sexual harassment for decades. Does not make it right, in any way or form.

3. You underestimate how often people find it hard to distinguish fiction from reality.

Spoiler: From personal experience

I've witnessed this first hand multiple times when walking with my best friend (who is a female) when random guys catcall or sing romantic songs as she walks by. Something that is overly seen in Indian movies.
She has two options in that scenario. Either just walk off and not say anything thereby giving these men the impression they can do it again to someone, or call them out publicly which often forces them to say shit like "i'm sorry, sister. I was just singing, sister" and run scared.

4. WSJ should do better. It's not the 1970s or even 90s. We are in 2020. Having a series with that as a LCP is literally the most degrading shit ever.

I understand a genre called Ecchi exists. But WSJ should really start drawing a line. If they thought a series like AOT was too graphic for their magazine, shit like this should be too obscene for their magazine.

Catcalling or singing romantic songs is not something that I think should be censored in media. I get that it's hard on your friend, doesn't mean it shouldn't be portrayed.

Also.. just reading the last couple of posts from the last couple of pages.. has Kimetsu no yaiba sold 12 million in like less than 2 months (iirc the were oricon yearly numbers were published in late November, so I assume they track November to November every year, correct?)

Call me a hater all you want, but I would just be very pissed if Kimetsu ends up even beating One Piece's 2009 (or 2010?) 40million high that was driven by Strong World and Paramount War.

I mean if the hype doesn't die it's a real possibility this happens.. it has sold 12 million so far, and it will probably publish 4-5 new books this year, I assume they will probably sell 2 millions each, that's 22 million.. it "just" needs to sell 18 million of backlog..

I just don't know why I'm feeling like this lol, like such a hater haha, it's probably a combination of me not really seeing Kimetsu's appeal (from the first 9 episodes of the anime, so pls no spoilers because I will eventually continue it) and me thinking other manga deserve more recognition (like I don't think Kimetsu is "bad" but it's only "fine" and when something is just fine... Well it's not "good" lol).

The anime is shit compared to what happens after. It's universally agreed amongst manga readers that the anime doesn't come CLOSE to the future arcs. They made the mistake of slowing the pace and adapting only the worst arcs.

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Why would having worse content in the magazine justify the fact that groping is already disgusting.

Also, just as a side note, the zombie character in the One-Shot ends up looking to have sex with the female mc due to some plot reasons, so yeah, he's fully aware of what he does, not like he's dumb or whatever. He literally just uses the girl as a method to accomplish his goal, which kinda emphasizes the idea of objectification on the character.

Am I being maybe too radical? I honestly don't care. This is not content that should be exposed to the audience this magazine can actually have. Other than inappropiate, unnecessary and stupid. Next series, please.

PD: To the idea of the final result of the first chapter can be different compared to the one-shot! Sure, the CarbonCopy Boys experience has told me enough.

I mean that's technically Denji's main motivation ad well, the difference is that if the zombie dude is actually just groping her leading into rape and shit like that then I'm out. Too cringe

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You are pissed because Demon Slayer is over hyped. I never usually call things over hyped or overrated but in this case it's just true. Imo. But I ain't pissed because I wanna see something actually beat one piece more than once. That would be really interesting

Of all shonen series that had a chance at beating One Piece I think Kimetsu deserves it most.

 

[Jhonathan]

Bakugo's "go kill yourself" is a far less serious statement in Japanese. It's more just showing him as a bad tempered punk with an ego.

What does he says in japanese?

 

[pamuchi]

Catcalling or singing romantic songs is not something that I think should be censored in media. I get that it's hard on your friend, doesn't mean it shouldn't be portrayed.


The anime is shit compared to what happens after. It's universally agreed amongst manga readers that the anime doesn't come CLOSE to the future arcs. They made the mistake of slowing the pace and adapting only the worst arcs.

I was hoping that in the first season they would adapt train arc

What does he says in japanese?

I think it's "Shine, 死ね" which it's more like a fuck off or fuck you rather than I'll kill you