Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[TxxT]

Yeah, it was a thing. Some people were calling it “Cancelled no Yaiba”. I didn’t know nor care about what it was at the time, but I did notice it somewhat often.

The only person who said that was some random Youtuber, it was never a thing, Kimetsu was still popular before it had an anime announced

 

[pamuchi]

Yeah, it was a thing. Some people were calling it “Cancelled no Yaiba”. I didn’t know nor care about what it was at the time, but I did notice it somewhat often.

Awe come on, those are the same ppl who also called BC as Axed Clover or even CSM to axed man.

 

[lazybones1717]

Awe come on, those are the same ppl who also called BC as Axed Clover or even CSM to axed man.

My favorite variation of those naming schemes was "Axed-Age"! Thank god no one says that anymore, lol.

 

[Dag]

Quick question though, what’s this about S8 switching magazines? At the beginning of this whole thread, people were giving predictions, and some said that S8 might switch platforms. What other series has that happened to? Honestly, as long as the series continues with the planned story, I don’t care how popular it gets. I would love an anime though.

 

[Ryuusei]

Going into S8, the hype already had me wary about the series but I started it with an open mind because Kishimoto might have had something nice up his sleeve. Despite the bad artstyle (which improve progressively, though not by a lot), it had a nice premise, the setting seemed nice too and it seemed like it could go into a nice route. 38 chapters in, however, I couldn't care less about the series. The characters are not unlikeable per se, but I'm indifferent to almost all of them, with Hachimaru being a very weak MC. There's way too much exposition and the battles are resolved way too fast. There's no real sense of danger and what's really at stake, so there's barely any hype when the series go into battles. I keep reading it weekly to see if I get even a blink of hope of it getting better because I've read stuff before that I started liking pretty late into the series, but so far, it's just a bland sci-fi samurai series.

Quick question though, what’s this about S8 switching magazines? At the beginning of this whole thread, people were giving predictions, and some said that S8 might switch platforms. What other series has that happened to? Honestly, as long as the series continues with the planned story, I don’t care how popular it gets. I would love an anime though.

Boruto, its sales kept nosediving volume after volume and it was also monthly so no reason to keep it in Jump.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Quick question though, what’s this about S8 switching magazines? At the beginning of this whole thread, people were giving predictions, and some said that S8 might switch platforms. What other series has that happened to? Honestly, as long as the series continues with the planned story, I don’t care how popular it gets. I would love an anime though.

Ah this was because Boruto moved to V Jump and also because volume 1 and 2 were released at the same time which is something very hard to happen, so some users had the theory the series would go monthly filling Boruto's place or being moved too

 

[savethecat]

S8 isn’t really a punchline ITT. Most of the thread really pays it no mind. It’s only a punchline for a couple ppl

 

[MangAniMY]

the fact that all kny backlogs crossed 1M just this year(oricon) mean 2nd & 3rd sheet will be a chore... oh well

Spoiler: sheet

 

[Konja9]

I mean, the notion of quality is subjective, so, what we can agree SnK's anime was... is that it exploded. It was even more of a huge deal than Kimetsu, everyone went nuts for it. So, in that sense, it was a great adaptation, and it being extremely popular helped the manga a lot. I'm not saying "oh, Kimetsu only got there because it got a good anime", but I think you are underestimating Shingeki's a little bit.

I don't understimate Shingeki. In fact, I never said anything specific about this anime.

My point is that the reason why an anime can be successful and increase the sales of a program can be very varied.


There are maga that do not have big animation quality, but still increase a lot the popularity of the manga.

 

[Thundercat27]

This is so tiresome.
I'm fine with anyone liking s8. It ain't my decision to dictate their taste.
It's the delusion idea of s8 could get an anime adaptation that irked me.

 

[Konja9]

I will only mention one topic in this whole discussion. The reason why foreign sales are not so important for manga.

In general, sales of manga outside of Japan are few compared to sales in Japan.

In fact, a manga can be considered successful outside of Japan with less sales than is needed to be successful in Japan.


To put it in perspective, Naruto is a pretty popular manga outside of Japan. However, its combined foreign sales do not exceed its sales in Japan.

 

[Koni]

What...happened?

Have we gone back to Samurai 8 arguments? I thought we ditched those in the 2019 thread, and now it's all about everyone being surprised that Yozakura's kind of a success.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

What...happened?

Have we gone back to Samurai 8 arguments? I thought we ditched those in the 2019 thread, and now it's all about everyone being surprised that Yozakura's kind of a success.

Yozakura anime by A-1 Pictures on 2022, it will become a bigger success than CSM and Act-Age

 

[Koni]

Yozakura anime by A-1 Pictures on 2022, it will become a bigger success than CSM and Act-Age

Lol, it's funny cause I remember someone asking about a Yozakura anime in jest not too long ago, and I honestly thought "A-1 Pictures might actually be a good fit. Then again, they're a revolving door of a studio."

 

[Rain Spectre]

It's funny, cause I remember someone asking about a Yozakura anime in jest not too long ago, and I honestly thought "A-1 Pictures might actually be a good fit. Then again, they're a revolving door of a studio."

Who did the Iruma-kun anime? Because, frankly, if my guess is right, Yozakura would fit NHK like a glove.

 

[Halloween]

Well, looks like I have a significant amount of cleaning up to do.

Everyone, stop arguing about users, and keep the discussion about WSJ series specifically. You all know better than this, and yet, I'm gone for a few hours and you all start flinging feces at each other.

 

[Minsel]

yozakura with lerche

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Lol, it's funny cause I remember someone asking about a Yozakura anime in jest not too long ago, and I honestly thought "A-1 Pictures might actually be a good fit. Then again, they're a revolving door of a studio."

My mind just go automatically to them, it seems like a good fit and they still have that thing that turns almost anything they touch into a hit

 

[Koni]

Who did the Iruma-kun anime? Because, frankly, if my guess is right, Yozakura would fit NHK like a glove.

Spoiler: Iruma-kun Staff

Director: Makoto Moriwaki (PriPara)
Writer: Kazuyuki Fudeyasu
Character Designer: Satohiko Sano (Heybot!)
Composer: Akimitsu Honma (RIN-NE)
Studio: Bandai Namco Pictures (later seasons of Gintama)

Though, if I'm gonna be completely honest, I'm kind of hoping for Iruma-kun staff to, well, keep working on Iruma-kun. xD Either way, going back to Yozakura before we go off topic. It feels like something a studio like A-1 would tackle. Either that, or it could be a brand new studio that comes out of nowhere, like what tends to happen nowadays.

Actually, if I'm allowed to ask, if you can have any currently running manga or anime in Jump cross over with any currently running manga or anime from another magazine, which two would they be? Personally, I've had the really silly idea of Demon Slayer's main leads and Hashiras head over to Iruma-kun's school.

 

[perroloco]

Long post incoming... Because sometimes I just get excited while writing or something lol


So I just saw this article on ANN which says, "Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba Is 3rd Manga to Sell Over 1 Million Copies of 1 Volume in 1st Week".

And it obviously means "In the history of Oricon charts" or something, because obviously other titles like Dragon Ball or Slam Dunk must have sold 1 mill first week too...

And then I entered the messageboard to see if you guys had discussed it... and then I saw @MangAniMY's chart... Right now Kimetsu has 21'000,000 sold with 41 weeks left, there's some a real chance it might beat One Piece's numbers from 2011! Or do you think it will run out of gas before reaching OP's highest numbers?



It currently has 24 chapters yet to be collected into tankobon (So that's 3 more volumes minimum)

Heck.. If Shueisha wants to they could end up releasing like 6 volumes total in this fiscal year, volume 18 was released December 4th just some days after Oricon chart's last day IIRC (It was in late November IIRC), volume 19 on February, so if they continue this pattern they could release the volumes:

Vol 18 was released on December 2019.
Vol 19 Feb 2020. (2 month gap)
Vol 20 April 2020
Vol 21 June 2020
Vol 22 August 2020 (This is where the manga chapters are currently at probably, chp 193 )
Vol 23 October 2020

That's six volumes in a fiscal year and heck if they want to be extra sneaky or really try to dethrone One Piece's record Shueisha could release Vol 24 in November 2020 (Assuming Kimetsu doesnt' end before of course)... But that's unheard of, right? Like Shueisha wouldn't release a seventh volume of KnY just a month after its prior volume release? But they have done that, like release volumes month to month? I mean I can see them doing it IF they want to battle One Piece's record...

I'm gonna just assume they release up to volume 23 of the series (So that's an extra four more volume sales for this fiscal year), and I'm gonna assume each of those volumes ends up selling around.. Say.. 2.5 million copies, making it 10 million in those 4 volumes.

So if KnY right now on February 14th has sold 21'000,000 and sells 10 million.. That's 31 million, One Piece 2011's record is 37'996,373 copies sold...

It's a scary thought that One Piece's record can be broken, but I think everything I listed here could very, very well happen.. In fact it's likely to happen

Each volume of KnY has sold around 1.8 million, though that info is a week old and with Kimetsu sales... A week old must mean that at least each volume sold like 100k so I'd guess so far every volume from 1-18 has sold around 1.9 mill


Also some volumes sold around 130k-150k last week but this week (Feb 3rd-9th) Oricon numbers are around 90k for pretty much every volume of the series ranked in Oricon, that's a decline, expected obviously.. BUT there are more reprints announced for KnY volumes...
2/20 Kimetsu no Yaiba Volume 19
2/26 Kimetsu no Yaiba Volumes 15-18
2/27 Kimetsu no Yaiba Volumes 1-14

So that must mean that the decline is not because of demand finally being satisfied but due to the contrary, that there are not enough volumes for people that want them (and thus the coming reprints in late February)...

BIG TL,DR for anyone that didn't read all this and just wants to comment without having to necessarily having read everything I previously wrote:

Kimetsu no Yaiba currently has sold 21 million, One Piece's record sales were 38 million back in 2011.
Do you think Kimetsu will break One Piece's historical record? (the highest record Oricon has ranked.. and maybe the highest record ever? Though we will probably never know)
Kimetsu has probably 4 more volumes coming this fiscal year, so if they sell 10 million in those four volumes that makes it 31 million total sales for KnY, Kimetsu would "just" need an extra 7 million which it may very well sell thru backlog...

As of now each volume of KnY has sold approximately 1.9 million give or take, so for the 19 volumes to sell that extra 7 million needed to dethrone One Piece (In this particular example, that is)... Each of those extra 19 volumes would need to sell 368,421 more per volume.

So final TL,DR if you really don't wanna read anything:
according to my calculations if each volume of Kimetsu no Yaiba ends up selling around 2.2-2.3 million copies it will dethrone One Piece's record, do you think that will happen?


Also, am I using Oricon correctly??
I used this website: https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/obc/w/2020-02-17/p/2/ But I always see other better looking graphs and numbers getting posted so maybe there' something I'm missing in the Oricon website??