LOL. I guess it's not wrong.
Western opinions don't matter in the slightest for how a series performs in Japan.
What is the Japanese reception towards the series as of late?
Do you know how many of those color pages made it to the Viz release of the volumes? Because I'm sure some did, I own volume 19 of Eyeshield 21 with the color chapter and I've seen an early print of Bleach's volume 19 with the color chapter as well. Or if any of those were released in color in an edition of the japanese tankobons?
Wow really? i didn't knew that until now, next time you will tell me that western sales also doesn't have impact on Jump!
Good season 4 been having good ratings
I asked Marcello and she said reception was generally a tad tepid for a while, but the final portion of the series has reignited a large amount of interest.
There was a Viz print of Bleach volume 19 with the color 163? Huh...
I don't know about Viz releases but here in Mexico Bleach volume 19 had the entire chapter in color, I'm also pretty sure that Prince of Tennis and Eyeshield 21 had their color chapters in their respective tankobons and they were a little bit more expensive (think 10% increment for the color pages).
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I'm almost certain that Viz never published the color pages for those 3.
But they did, as I said I own the Eyeshield 21 one. Here are two pics I took quickly of them.
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One series is still in its boost period where new people are still invested in it while the other has been going on for 6 years so its already an established brand, there hasn't been a decline but its not exactly a "new" item to discover either.
Tell that to the people who insist that Souma's sales drop was in large due to the negative western reception of the final stretch and not just because its boost period ended.
While not as negative as the western portion it started to wane for a while now with what's keeping interest is seeing how it ends.
That's quite the exhaustive overview you have there...so Mexican prices are closer to Japanese prices...I still can't believe that Viz's 10 dollar price is the cheapest option here in the States...(in terms of MSRP)So it depends on the publisher, we had a gap of like 8 years were no manga was published in Mexico (From around 2008ish to 2014ish I think) because the last publisher that published manga went bankrupt and (From what I heard) Japanese publishers didn't want to license their titles to Mexico, that was until a new publisher Kamite started publishing manga, but the publisher that now prints 90% of the manga in Mexico is Panini which has different branches in lots of countries.
Anyway, in the 90s the first manga started being published here in Mexico by Editorial Vid, the publishers of Memin Pinguin.
The first licensed titles (1999ish-2001ish) like Video Girl Ai were published in half tankobon volumes that were around $20 pesos, same with Love Hina and Dragon Ball. Since they are half tankobon, let's say the price for an entire volume was $40 which at the time was around say.. $4 USD dollars I guess? Keep in mind this is retail price, you could probably get them for cheaper during sales (When the publisher went bankrupt there was a 50% discount sale, in which I bought lots of series for cheap lol).
The second batch of titles (2001ish-2004ish) were Saint Seiya, Rurouni Kenshin, Dragon Quest Dai No Daiboken, Saint Seiya from WSJ along with other titles like Neon Genesis Evangelion and GTO. All these titles were $45 pesos ($4 USD) and were now full tankobon sized, funnily enough Evangelion had some color pages and was sold for the same price as the others which always seemed weird to me lol.
There was also some other titles licensed obviously, Seinen manga was sold for like $65 pesos IIRC ($5 USD) like Tenjo Tenge, Zetman, Bt'x (Was it Seinen? Idk lol)
This batch of titles was basically what was popular in Mexican TV, minus Ranma because Ranma along with One Piece had been licensed by Toukan Manga... Which was a publisher that released manga for like some years and then went bankrupt :/
The third wave of titles licensed (2004ish-2006ish) were the super popular titles of the times, Mexico was lagging behind to the Japanese market by around 5 years and finally Naruto and BLEACH were published along with other Jump titles like Ichigo 100% and D-Gray Man and Hunter x Hunter.
The prices for these titles was $65 pesos ($5 USD)
After 2006 there was a huge slump, and I don't remember many titles being published, lots of series were canceled mid publishing like GANTZ, HxH, D-Grayman, Naruto, BLEACH, Yu Yu Hakusho... The worst thing is that for example Tenjho Tenge was 2 or 3 volume away from finishing and it was left unfinished and to this day has never been republished.
Then around 2008ish to 2014ish no manga was published, as I had said. Then a new publisher Kamite started publishing manga (Which rumor says is basically Mundo Vid, the old publisher that went bankrupt born from the ashes lol) so anyway their first title was Hellsing which was sold for like $90 pesos which at the time was around ($7 USD).
But that very same year Panini invaded the manga publishing industry here in Mexico with the release of Saint Seiya Lost Canvas it wasn't a Jump title, but it was the closest thing they could have licensed and it was a huge hit, Saint Seiya is huge here in Mexico, and the price point was great too! $65 pesos
That was in 2014, from then on Mexico's economy took a hit.. The peso was like $12 to USD back, now it's around $18ish. So usually tankobon volumes are sold for like $90 pesos most of the times. A little bit more ($10 pesos more) if they have their dust cover jacket (Like original Japanese volumes do, a thing USA manga industry never did).
Right now there are two publishers here in Mexico basically, Kamite which publishes higher grade stuff for like $150 pesos ($7.5 USD) and Panini which usually publishes their manga tankobons for around $100 pesos ($5 USDish), but that's for tankobon, what I love about the Mexican market is that they are republishing old titles in Kanzenbans and Deluxe editions, even for titles I would have never thought would have been published like City Hunter which is being published in its kanzenban edition, even though City Hunter is pretty much unknown here in Mexico lol.
Also we have officially imported titles from Editorial Planeta Spain, mostly Tezuka titles in Deluxe Editions like Phoenix, Buddha, Astroboy but those are super expensive, like $600 pesos ($30 USD) for hardback editions. Also Hokuto No Ken kanzenban for like $300 pesos ($15 USD).
Keep in mind all the prices I said are MSRP, I never pay MSRP, for example back in November I bought several volumes during "El burn fin" basically Mexico's black Friday and got like 35% discount plus an extra 10% discount my Credit Card offered. So all these volumes were probably around $75 USD total, keep in mind DevilMan is the US release and BLAME is pretty expensive, around $250 pesos ($12 USD) but I got it for like $180 pesos with the discount.
So most tankobons new I can get for like $65 pesos which today is around $3 USD-4 USD, other editions are more expensive.
To give you an idea of the titles published here these are last week's titles,
16 titles released last week, I guess around 60 series are released every month, not too shabby for a market that was basically dead 5 years ago haha.
Also.. Just to keep this post WSJ related I tried to mention mostly Jump series lol.
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@SlamMonster
Cheap bastards haha
Also, this particular volume of Prince of Tennis volume 16 is the first printing. I don't know if future reprints have the color chapter, I doubt it though.
So it depends on the publisher, we had a gap of like 8 years were no manga was published in Mexico (From around 2008ish to 2014ish I think) because the last publisher that published manga went bankrupt and (From what I heard) Japanese publishers didn't want to license their titles to Mexico, that was until a new publisher Kamite started publishing manga, but the publisher that now prints 90% of the manga in Mexico is Panini which has different branches in lots of countries.
Anyway, in the 90s the first manga started being published here in Mexico by Editorial Vid, the publishers of Memin Pinguin.
The first licensed titles (1999ish-2001ish) like Video Girl Ai were published in half tankobon volumes that were around $20 pesos, same with Love Hina and Dragon Ball. Since they are half tankobon, let's say the price for an entire volume was $40 which at the time was around say.. $4 USD dollars I guess? Keep in mind this is retail price, you could probably get them for cheaper during sales (When the publisher went bankrupt there was a 50% discount sale, in which I bought lots of series for cheap lol).
The second batch of titles (2001ish-2004ish) were Saint Seiya, Rurouni Kenshin, Dragon Quest Dai No Daiboken, Saint Seiya from WSJ along with other titles like Neon Genesis Evangelion and GTO. All these titles were $45 pesos ($4 USD) and were now full tankobon sized, funnily enough Evangelion had some color pages and was sold for the same price as the others which always seemed weird to me lol.
There was also some other titles licensed obviously, Seinen manga was sold for like $65 pesos IIRC ($5 USD) like Tenjo Tenge, Zetman, Bt'x (Was it Seinen? Idk lol)
This batch of titles was basically what was popular in Mexican TV, minus Ranma because Ranma along with One Piece had been licensed by Toukan Manga... Which was a publisher that released manga for like some years and then went bankrupt :/
The third wave of titles licensed (2004ish-2006ish) were the super popular titles of the times, Mexico was lagging behind to the Japanese market by around 5 years and finally Naruto and BLEACH were published along with other Jump titles like Ichigo 100% and D-Gray Man and Hunter x Hunter.
The prices for these titles was $65 pesos ($5 USD)
After 2006 there was a huge slump, and I don't remember many titles being published, lots of series were canceled mid publishing like GANTZ, HxH, D-Grayman, Naruto, BLEACH, Yu Yu Hakusho... The worst thing is that for example Tenjho Tenge was 2 or 3 volume away from finishing and it was left unfinished and to this day has never been republished.
Then around 2008ish to 2014ish no manga was published, as I had said. Then a new publisher Kamite started publishing manga (Which rumor says is basically Mundo Vid, the old publisher that went bankrupt born from the ashes lol) so anyway their first title was Hellsing which was sold for like $90 pesos which at the time was around ($7 USD).
But that very same year Panini invaded the manga publishing industry here in Mexico with the release of Saint Seiya Lost Canvas it wasn't a Jump title, but it was the closest thing they could have licensed and it was a huge hit, Saint Seiya is huge here in Mexico, and the price point was great too! $65 pesos
That was in 2014, from then on Mexico's economy took a hit.. The peso was like $12 to USD back, now it's around $18ish. So usually tankobon volumes are sold for like $90 pesos most of the times. A little bit more ($10 pesos more) if they have their dust cover jacket (Like original Japanese volumes do, a thing USA manga industry never did).
Right now there are two publishers here in Mexico basically, Kamite which publishes higher grade stuff for like $150 pesos ($7.5 USD) and Panini which usually publishes their manga tankobons for around $100 pesos ($5 USDish), but that's for tankobon, what I love about the Mexican market is that they are republishing old titles in Kanzenbans and Deluxe editions, even for titles I would have never thought would have been published like City Hunter which is being published in its kanzenban edition, even though City Hunter is pretty much unknown here in Mexico lol.
Also we have officially imported titles from Editorial Planeta Spain, mostly Tezuka titles in Deluxe Editions like Phoenix, Buddha, Astroboy but those are super expensive, like $600 pesos ($30 USD) for hardback editions. Also Hokuto No Ken kanzenban for like $300 pesos ($15 USD).
Keep in mind all the prices I said are MSRP, I never pay MSRP, for example back in November I bought several volumes during "El burn fin" basically Mexico's black Friday and got like 35% discount plus an extra 10% discount my Credit Card offered. So all these volumes were probably around $75 USD total, keep in mind DevilMan is the US release and BLAME is pretty expensive, around $250 pesos ($12 USD) but I got it for like $180 pesos with the discount.
So most tankobons new I can get for like $65 pesos which today is around $3 USD-4 USD, other editions are more expensive.
To give you an idea of the titles published here these are last week's titles,
16 titles released last week, I guess around 60 series are released every month, not too shabby for a market that was basically dead 5 years ago haha.
Also.. Just to keep this post WSJ related I tried to mention mostly Jump series lol.
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@SlamMonster
Cheap bastards haha
Also, this particular volume of Prince of Tennis volume 16 is the first printing. I don't know if future reprints have the color chapter, I doubt it though.
Oh? Are you implying Souma's fall in reputation in Japan is over-exaggerated?
I mean when you think about it your prices are "cheaper" in general, It's always been surprising to me how Viz maintained that price for so long (Jumping from $8 dollars to $10 it's not a huge increase, heck even when compared to old Viz releases like the old InuYasha release which was sold for like almost $15 USDin the mid 90s or Lum (Urusei Yatsura) volumes in the USA got cheaper once TokyoPop started publishing, and Viz followed suit.
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Exactly. Same with Bleach. People just want to believe a sales decline has some correlation with some perceived drop in writing quality when the harsh reality is that nobody really cares about the series anymore.
Oh? Are you implying Souma's fall in reputation in Japan is over-exaggerated?
Its a waste of time and resources no doubt but given how they slashed the budget entirely after the first season flopped it probably costs nothing to make.