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Black Cat was awesome, dude! Real shame that today's youth only know TLR and not the other stuff. *sits back in his rocking chair and mutters about good old manga times*
As for the ecchi debate, my personal view is that I see ecchi in three categories:
1. Ecchi for the sake of Ecchi
2. Ecchi for the sake of Character development
3. Ecchi for the sake of Plot development
If it is the first category then I can see and understand the point of not being interested much expect if you are horny, it had no further sense than to make you feel horny after all, neither the story nor the characters needed that ecchi-scene/s to further anything.
The save of Suzu by Matsuri. You can show off the panty shots (or Suzu's THICC thighs) but it wouldn't have been needed for the scene either. Like the almost kiss of the lips would have been enough, for example to show how focused Suzu was on her friend in that moment.
With the second category it is usually different as here ecchiness is part of the character or of their path to the character the mangaka wants to develop said character. For example as a rebel so you show off cleavage and short skirt to break the school rules or the other way around to be scared to show your skin for various reasons and having to learn the confidence to show your body in a swimsuit for example. Here ecchiness is either part of the character or it is something they have to overcome as a hurdle to reach a goal of their own. In other words eechiness has a reason to exist.
The start of the chapter with Matsuri checking out his new female body in the mirror. I saw nobody in this thread complaining about it or at least mention it specifically as a reason to feel annoyed or disgusted. And I think the reason for that is that this ecchi scene despite being far more explicit than the panty shot (Matsuri was almost nude expect for his fundoshi, he was embarrassed while fondling/squeezing his chest, close-up to the boobs, nipple peek in mirror, etc) has reason to be and people pick on on that due their reading ability and thus do feel less "offended" by its ecchiness than with the other situation.
Here Matsuri is basically discovering his new body he has to live in. And he defends his right to look and appreciate his own body ("This is pretty amazing." "It's my body! What's the problem?"). As a reader you could agree that being in a new body would want you to check it out after all you have to live with it from now on for who knows how long. The new body aspect is very important for Gender Bender and the ecchi part isn't just there to please the readers but also to show how Matsuri views his new body and what he thinks of it.
So in this case it is a character development - acceptance of the new situation and getting used to it. Since he has to bath anyway he will see himself in the full nude anyway, no way around it except doing everything blindfolded. As reader you know that this could lead to further paths for this character, so seeing Matsuri in the nude is less arousing and more interesting to see how he and Suzu reacts to it.
With the third category, ecchiness serves a purpose, pretty often in harems obviously but also battle or even just story mangas. Seductions for example can be done with explicit worded hints, poses, cleavage and so on and would all be considered ecchi but unlike in the first category where they were not needed to solve a situation it is absolutely needed as a "weapon" in this. Like pushing your boobs onto the arm of the harem MC while clinging to it, for example. Some people might not see it as an ecchi situation but it is, two bodies touching in an intimate way often with the goal to make the other party aware of the one initiating said touch. It can be used as distraction (sexy-jut-su in Naruto), as humor (Sanji dying due boob clavage), or as an adversary often in mangas where the girl has to overcome the ecchiness to reach something which can sometimes be overcoming fear of how people see you and your body but also a challenge like having to do a trial where your clothes disappear but stopping means losing so the girl/s keep going even if they feel embarrassed by the situation (I think Yuuna had something like that? The Onsen scene with one or several girls hiding the harem MC can also be counted for that of which I think we have plenty of examples). So here ecchiness isn't the goal but a mean to usually reach a goal or avoid a unfavorable situation. And while also being plenty explicit people would probably be more accepting of it as they can read the purpose for it due the situation and character interaction whereas in the first category where the reader instinctively knows that this ecchi scene served no other purpose than to make you horny.
Which is probably why the panty shot had such a focus in the last pages because it had no other purpose than that. And for that I can understand not liking it.^^
Also, everyone’s arguing about Ayakashi Triangle’s plot and plot while I’m here just wondering about how the characters and their relationship will develop. XD
Tbh, I can understand your sentiments. But, Black Cat is like a millennia ago. More people know about to love ru than black cat. I bet even Darling is more famous with the current people than black cat.
So let me use a more familiar analogy rather than food analogy: this is like reading Jojolion expecting the HnK-esque artstyle of Phantom Blood.
Oops. You were somewhat agreeing with me!?
Sorry for being a dumbass speedreader.
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Ding ding.
Also, my problem with AT is it being too tame. I don't like that Yabuki pussy out and choose the middle ground. In the end, he pleases no one, not the black cat crowd nor the tlr crowd.
This is what I think would be the worst possible outcome - trying to do those two elements but not doing them well enough to attract either crowd. Yabuki has a bit of a cushion given his reputation, but he’ll have to up his game really soon.
I enjoyed the development of in Time Paradox Ghostwriter this week. Aino is such a lovable character. I don’t feel nearly as strong about disliking the MC as some others, but Lowkey kinda wish Aino was the main character and the current MC stealing her idea was the obstacle, as she struggles with developing a new idea after her passion project was stolen. Or at the very least have them as dual MCs where we switch back and forward between both of their perspectives (maybe that is where it’ll head. Who knows)
Magu-Chan was surprisingly good. I really like the dynamic between both of the characters. I will say that I feel like this series will be better suited for short chapters. I feel like upcoming chapters will be better now that we’re going to be down to 20ish pages.
This. I don't mind if a girl (or a boy) gets naked, if it's treated as part of the story.
I do mind if the POV focusses on body parts that should not be relevant to the scene in an attempt to make me like the manga more. If you want me to like the story, just write a good story. Don't make me feel like a creeper who's spying on girls in the shower.
I enjoyed the development of in Time Paradox Ghostwriter this week. Aino is such a lovable character. I don’t feel nearly as strong about disliking the MC as some others, but Lowkey kinda wish Aino was the main character and the current MC stealing her idea was the obstacle, as she struggles with developing a new idea after her passion project was stolen. Or at the very least have them as dual MCs where we switch back and forward between both of their perspectives (maybe that is where it’ll head. Who knows)
Those conversation about ecchi, make me feel like its 2007 again. If you like it, read it and if you don't, drop it. It's not that hard.
Personally, i don't really get aroused by it most of the time but i don't mind it either. The only time, i really dislike ecchi is when it's shoehorned into a serious scene. Im reading Ayakashi for the monster designs for now but if Yabuki doesn't do anything interesting with its main characters, i might drop it in 2 or 3 chapters. I feel like Ayakashi is barely functioning as a Manga series at the moment. I need a better main goal than the MC just wanting to become a boy again. The first chapter was entertaining, the second chapter was just ok, i expect a bit more.
I really don't want to sound arrogant, but, isn't it for horny teenagers? And there's no problem liking something aimed at a specific group or whatever.
And I see no relation in liking ecchi and apreciating the human body.
Anyways, in relation to Ayakashi, I think Thunder's comments is very reasonable. There's no reason for someone who doesn't like ecchi to read it.
I don't think anything in jump is for horny teenagers, it's for all male upto age 45 middle aged that reads jump can easily appreciate ecchi and read it because everyone like sexy women it is natural human desire nothing wrong is there.
I don't think anything in jump is for horny teenagers, it's for all male upto age 45 middle aged that reads jump can easily appreciate ecchi and read it because everyone like sexy women it is natural human desire nothing wrong is there.
Just because the reader demographic itself is varied, doesn't mean its being targeted for all of them.
It's a shonen magazine. It's made and targeted for teenagers.
I don't know what you are reading but Ayakashi is 0% boring.
I don't think anything in jump is for horny teenagers, it's for all male upto age 45 middle aged that reads jump can easily appreciate ecchi and read it because everyone like sexy women it is natural human desire nothing wrong is there.
Black Cat was awesome, dude! Real shame that today's youth only know TLR and not the other stuff. *sits back in his rocking chair and mutters about good old manga times*
As for the ecchi debate, my personal view is that I see ecchi in three categories:
1. Ecchi for the sake of Ecchi
2. Ecchi for the sake of Character development
3. Ecchi for the sake of Plot development
If it is the first category then I can see and understand the point of not being interested much expect if you are horny, it had no further sense than to make you feel horny after all, neither the story nor the characters needed that ecchi-scene/s to further anything.
The save of Suzu by Matsuri. You can show off the panty shots (or Suzu's THICC thighs) but it wouldn't have been needed for the scene either. Like the almost kiss of the lips would have been enough, for example to show how focused Suzu was on her friend in that moment.
With the second category it is usually different as here ecchiness is part of the character or of their path to the character the mangaka wants to develop said character. For example as a rebel so you show off cleavage and short skirt to break the school rules or the other way around to be scared to show your skin for various reasons and having to learn the confidence to show your body in a swimsuit for example. Here ecchiness is either part of the character or it is something they have to overcome as a hurdle to reach a goal of their own. In other words eechiness has a reason to exist.
The start of the chapter with Matsuri checking out his new female body in the mirror. I saw nobody in this thread complaining about it or at least mention it specifically as a reason to feel annoyed or disgusted. And I think the reason for that is that this ecchi scene despite being far more explicit than the panty shot (Matsuri was almost nude expect for his fundoshi, he was embarrassed while fondling/squeezing his chest, close-up to the boobs, nipple peek in mirror, etc) has reason to be and people pick on on that due their reading ability and thus do feel less "offended" by its ecchiness than with the other situation.
Here Matsuri is basically discovering his new body he has to live in. And he defends his right to look and appreciate his own body ("This is pretty amazing." "It's my body! What's the problem?"). As a reader you could agree that being in a new body would want you to check it out after all you have to live with it from now on for who knows how long. The new body aspect is very important for Gender Bender and the ecchi part isn't just there to please the readers but also to show how Matsuri views his new body and what he thinks of it.
So in this case it is a character development - acceptance of the new situation and getting used to it. Since he has to bath anyway he will see himself in the full nude anyway, no way around it except doing everything blindfolded. As reader you know that this could lead to further paths for this character, so seeing Matsuri in the nude is less arousing and more interesting to see how he and Suzu reacts to it.
With the third category, ecchiness serves a purpose, pretty often in harems obviously but also battle or even just story mangas. Seductions for example can be done with explicit worded hints, poses, cleavage and so on and would all be considered ecchi but unlike in the first category where they were not needed to solve a situation it is absolutely needed as a "weapon" in this. Like pushing your boobs onto the arm of the harem MC while clinging to it, for example. Some people might not see it as an ecchi situation but it is, two bodies touching in an intimate way often with the goal to make the other party aware of the one initiating said touch. It can be used as distraction (sexy-jut-su in Naruto), as humor (Sanji dying due boob clavage), or as an adversary often in mangas where the girl has to overcome the ecchiness to reach something which can sometimes be overcoming fear of how people see you and your body but also a challenge like having to do a trial where your clothes disappear but stopping means losing so the girl/s keep going even if they feel embarrassed by the situation (I think Yuuna had something like that? The Onsen scene with one or several girls hiding the harem MC can also be counted for that of which I think we have plenty of examples). So here ecchiness isn't the goal but a mean to usually reach a goal or avoid a unfavorable situation. And while also being plenty explicit people would probably be more accepting of it as they can read the purpose for it due the situation and character interaction whereas in the first category where the reader instinctively knows that this ecchi scene served no other purpose than to make you horny.
Which is probably why the panty shot had such a focus in the last pages because it had no other purpose than that. And for that I can understand not liking it.^^
Damn, that’s quite the write-up here. Loved how you broke down all of this! I agree with everything you say. Especially Black Cat. *kids these days!* (we do need an old man emoji here btw).
Pretty much this. I avoid ecchi mangas not because of Fanservice, but because of a lack of plot and interesting execution. Honestly, there’s nothing better than discovering and being pleasantly surprised by an ecchi manga with good plot, characters and execution. Unfortunately, that is a very rare thing to come by.
Huh. I didn’t think of that before. Could we actually see Future Aino? If yes, then more please. It certainly sounds like it’ll scream “I’m sticking with this one!” If it does happen next.
Black Cat was awesome, dude! Real shame that today's youth only know TLR and not the other stuff. *sits back in his rocking chair and mutters about good old manga times*
As for the ecchi debate, my personal view is that I see ecchi in three categories:
1. Ecchi for the sake of Ecchi
2. Ecchi for the sake of Character development
3. Ecchi for the sake of Plot development
If it is the first category then I can see and understand the point of not being interested much expect if you are horny, it had no further sense than to make you feel horny after all, neither the story nor the characters needed that ecchi-scene/s to further anything.
The save of Suzu by Matsuri. You can show off the panty shots (or Suzu's THICC thighs) but it wouldn't have been needed for the scene either. Like the almost kiss of the lips would have been enough, for example to show how focused Suzu was on her friend in that moment.
With the second category it is usually different as here ecchiness is part of the character or of their path to the character the mangaka wants to develop said character. For example as a rebel so you show off cleavage and short skirt to break the school rules or the other way around to be scared to show your skin for various reasons and having to learn the confidence to show your body in a swimsuit for example. Here ecchiness is either part of the character or it is something they have to overcome as a hurdle to reach a goal of their own. In other words eechiness has a reason to exist.
The start of the chapter with Matsuri checking out his new female body in the mirror. I saw nobody in this thread complaining about it or at least mention it specifically as a reason to feel annoyed or disgusted. And I think the reason for that is that this ecchi scene despite being far more explicit than the panty shot (Matsuri was almost nude expect for his fundoshi, he was embarrassed while fondling/squeezing his chest, close-up to the boobs, nipple peek in mirror, etc) has reason to be and people pick on on that due their reading ability and thus do feel less "offended" by its ecchiness than with the other situation.
Here Matsuri is basically discovering his new body he has to live in. And he defends his right to look and appreciate his own body ("This is pretty amazing." "It's my body! What's the problem?"). As a reader you could agree that being in a new body would want you to check it out after all you have to live with it from now on for who knows how long. The new body aspect is very important for Gender Bender and the ecchi part isn't just there to please the readers but also to show how Matsuri views his new body and what he thinks of it.
So in this case it is a character development - acceptance of the new situation and getting used to it. Since he has to bath anyway he will see himself in the full nude anyway, no way around it except doing everything blindfolded. As reader you know that this could lead to further paths for this character, so seeing Matsuri in the nude is less arousing and more interesting to see how he and Suzu reacts to it.
With the third category, ecchiness serves a purpose, pretty often in harems obviously but also battle or even just story mangas. Seductions for example can be done with explicit worded hints, poses, cleavage and so on and would all be considered ecchi but unlike in the first category where they were not needed to solve a situation it is absolutely needed as a "weapon" in this. Like pushing your boobs onto the arm of the harem MC while clinging to it, for example. Some people might not see it as an ecchi situation but it is, two bodies touching in an intimate way often with the goal to make the other party aware of the one initiating said touch. It can be used as distraction (sexy-jut-su in Naruto), as humor (Sanji dying due boob clavage), or as an adversary often in mangas where the girl has to overcome the ecchiness to reach something which can sometimes be overcoming fear of how people see you and your body but also a challenge like having to do a trial where your clothes disappear but stopping means losing so the girl/s keep going even if they feel embarrassed by the situation (I think Yuuna had something like that? The Onsen scene with one or several girls hiding the harem MC can also be counted for that of which I think we have plenty of examples). So here ecchiness isn't the goal but a mean to usually reach a goal or avoid a unfavorable situation. And while also being plenty explicit people would probably be more accepting of it as they can read the purpose for it due the situation and character interaction whereas in the first category where the reader instinctively knows that this ecchi scene served no other purpose than to make you horny.
Which is probably why the panty shot had such a focus in the last pages because it had no other purpose than that. And for that I can understand not liking it.^^
To add to that I think there can be a 4th category, “ecchi for the sake of comedic relief”. This category can also mix in with the first 3 categories especially if it is a sex comedy type manga but can also be it’s own category. Basically they don’t use ecchi for the sex appeal but for laughs. A great example of this category would definitely be agrivity boys. It has a great amount of raunchy jokes and partial nudity in it but it’s not used for sex appeal but rather to make people laugh. Plenty of manga use this category like dragon ball (during the early parts goku would constantly lose his close as a running gag during/ after battles, JJBA (it uses bizarre sex jokes like the infamous humping scene as a way to get laughs) jungle tar Chan (the main character would constantly get an erection after seeing a girl he finds hot).
There are very few jump series that I think straight up uses ecchi as sex appeal as the main driving force of the manga. Even Harenchi gauken was more of a raunchy comedy manga than a straight up ecchi manga. The only ones I can think of that fits that description are to love ru, yuuna, and of course ayakashi triangle. That is to say that jump ecchi series are surprisingly tame compared to other manga magazines (especially magazine and champion).
How exactly does the Jump+ top 5 ranking work? Is it number of comments that week?
I'm curious since I noticed Oshi no Ko is #5 right now, which makes another Jump+ success that Manga+ is avoiding (despite them picking up Hina Change and Dear Sa-chan so they're not opposed to trashy relationship drama).
How exactly does the Jump+ top 5 ranking work? Is it number of comments that week?
I'm curious since I noticed Oshi no Ko is #5 right now, which makes another Jump+ success that Manga+ is avoiding (despite them picking up Hina Change and Dear Sa-chan so they're not opposed to trashy relationship drama).
Everyone, I have an idea for a new set of poll questions. I'll be asking everyone if they read X series. We'll do this question for every currently running WSJ series. Since One Piece is the oldest, it goes first.
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