Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[KagamiKuroko]

A manga that does 25k on first month on volume 4 probably does not have 300k in circ

 

[101nemesis]

A manga that does 25k on first month on volume 4 probably does not have 300k in circ

Jeez, look at you bringing MATHEMATICS into this.

 

[Minsel]

A manga that does 25k on first month on volume 4 probably does not have 300k in circ

I mean CSM had 1.15 mil in circulation with 5 volumes, and its 5th volume was reaching 80k or so in its first month.

 

[yadayada]

I mean CSM had 1.15 mil in circulation with 5 volumes, and its 5th volume was reaching 80k or so in its first month.

CSM's volume 5 sold 78k in 9 days on oricon. Shoseki estimates its monthly at 123k.

 

[101nemesis]

I mean CSM had 1.15 mil in circulation with 5 volumes, and its 5th volume was reaching 80k or so in its first month.

CSM also sold 410k approx with just 3 volumes. Given the amount each volumes were growing 1 million circulation with digital by Vol 5 was not a stretch at all.
Yozakura doing 300k with 4 volumes with less than 25k sales in a month requires a miracle.

 

[Azure Warrior]

Fujobait bro (fingercross vampire) is pretty remarkable on how unremarkable it is. The only thing remotely interesting is the homo incest bait in color spread.

Seeing the spread alone let me know what audience it really wants.

It’s a flop. Calling it now.

 

[Discomusic]

Not trying to attack anyone, liking or not the chapter is one thing, but calling this week Yozakura chapter a filler is just a disservice for the series, it's about developing and showing the bond and love between the main couple so far, which is the main point of the entire series, Taiyo and Mutsumi, mindless action is much more of a filler than a chapter like this that is about the core of the series.

I usually call a chapter "filler" when I see no progression, neither in plot nor in character development. So the problem for me was not the focus on the relationship in spite of the action, but the fact that we already know everything that was displayed in this chapter: Mutsumi wants to be helpful for his husband because she feels responsible for dragging him to the Yozakura lifestyle and gets embarassed when he does something "manly"; Taiyo really cares for her and endures every hardship to be on her side. We had good, non-filler episodes focused on the main couple relationship, like the wedding ceremony or the aquarium trip. In this case the only thing I felt was the reinforcement of the status quo.

That being said, "filler" is not a dispregiative term per se. Although I didn't like the execution this time, I'm perfectly fine with a breather episode after the adrenaline rush of the last arc.

 

[Stivie]

I usually call a chapter "filler" when I see no progression, neither in plot nor in character development. So the problem for me was not the focus on the relationship in spite of the action, but the fact that we already know everything that was displayed in this chapter: Mutsumi wants to be helpful for his husband because she feels responsible for dragging him to the Yozakura lifestyle and gets embarassed when he does something "manly"; Taiyo really cares for her and endures every hardship to be on her side. We had good, non-filler episodes focused on the main couple relationship, like the wedding ceremony or the aquarium trip. In this case the only thing I felt was the reinforcement of the status quo.

That being said, "filler" is not a dispregiative term per se. Although I didn't like the execution this time, I'm perfectly fine with a breather episode after the adrenaline rush of the last arc.

I think the problem in Yozakura is the lack of a continuity. I said the manga would be better if it had more novels. However, if he had a more continuous history and fewer isolated chapters, he might be better off.
Mashle even at the time that only focused on comedy presented a continuous story, the whole chapter, even those with isolated history had some cliffhanger. Even Corps and douphin are concerned with presenting some cliffhanger, even with comedy chapters in the middle of the story.

 

[RafGL]

There is no source. It could literally be a random text from somewhere with no credibility.
Really shouldn't be sharing random tweets like that.

The source linked is literally the article from when Yozakura started its serialization over a year ago.

For some reason people have started to make up circulation numbers out of nowhere, posting them on Weblio Pages and in Yozakura's case, in its own Wikipedia page, linking to a Natalie article with nothing related to that fact. They have also done this for MASHLE.

MASHLE Weblio Page stating series reaching 200.000 copies in circulation:

マッシュル_-MASHLE-とは - わかりやすく解説 Weblio辞書

マッシュル_-MASHLE-とは? .mw-parser-output .hatnote{margin:0.5em 0;padding:3px 2em;background-color:transparent;border-bottom...

www.weblio.jp

Yozakura Weblio Page stating series reaching 300.000 copies in circulation:

夜桜さんちの大作戦とは - わかりやすく解説 Weblio辞書

夜桜さんちの大作戦とは? {{Cite web|和書|url=https://natalie.mu/comic/news/344998|title=「ポロの留学記」の権平ひつじによるスパイコメディがジャンプでスタート|webs...

www.weblio.jp

Yozakura Wikipedia page with the same information as above:

夜桜さんちの大作戦 - Wikipedia

ja.wikipedia.org

Article used as source, which is false:

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本日8月26日に発売された週刊少年ジャンプ39号（集英社）にて、「ポロの留学記」の権平ひつじによる新連載「夜桜さんちの大作戦」がスタートした。

natalie.mu

Any of this information is completely fake until official statements are given by Shueisha themselves.

EDIT 17 minutes later: I deleted that stuff from the Wikipedia JP page. Dunno even if I did it properly, but anyway.

 

[Koni]

For some reason people have started to make up circulation numbers out of nowhere, posting them on Weblio Pages and in Yozakura's case, in its own Wikipedia page, linking to a Natalie article with nothing related to that fact. They have also done this for MASHLE.

MASHLE Weblio Page stating series reaching 200.000 copies in circulation:

マッシュル_-MASHLE-とは - わかりやすく解説 Weblio辞書

マッシュル_-MASHLE-とは? .mw-parser-output .hatnote{margin:0.5em 0;padding:3px 2em;background-color:transparent;border-bottom...

www.weblio.jp

Yozakura Weblio Page stating series reaching 300.000 copies in circulation:

夜桜さんちの大作戦とは - わかりやすく解説 Weblio辞書

夜桜さんちの大作戦とは? {{Cite web|和書|url=https://natalie.mu/comic/news/344998|title=「ポロの留学記」の権平ひつじによるスパイコメディがジャンプでスタート|webs...

www.weblio.jp

Yozakura Wikipedia page with the same information as above:

夜桜さんちの大作戦 - Wikipedia

ja.wikipedia.org

Article used as source, which is false:

ãããã®çå¦è¨ãã®æ¨©å¹³ã²ã¤ãã«ããã¹ãã¤ã³ã¡ãã£ãã¸ã£ã³ãã§ã¹ã¿ã¼ã - ã³ããã¯ãã¿ãªã¼

本日8月26日に発売された週刊少年ジャンプ39号（集英社）にて、「ポロの留学記」の権平ひつじによる新連載「夜桜さんちの大作戦」がスタートした。

natalie.mu

Any of this information is completely fake until official statements are given by Shueisha themselves.

Perhaps it’s Japanese fans of those series trying to convince others that the series will survive in Jump? Or trolling. Could be that.

 

[101nemesis]

For some reason people have started to make up circulation numbers out of nowhere, posting them on Weblio Pages and in Yozakura's case, in its own Wikipedia page, linking to a Natalie article with nothing related to that fact. They have also done this for MASHLE.

MASHLE Weblio Page stating series reaching 200.000 copies in circulation:

マッシュル_-MASHLE-とは - わかりやすく解説 Weblio辞書

マッシュル_-MASHLE-とは? .mw-parser-output .hatnote{margin:0.5em 0;padding:3px 2em;background-color:transparent;border-bottom...

www.weblio.jp

Yozakura Weblio Page stating series reaching 300.000 copies in circulation:

夜桜さんちの大作戦とは - わかりやすく解説 Weblio辞書

夜桜さんちの大作戦とは? {{Cite web|和書|url=https://natalie.mu/comic/news/344998|title=「ポロの留学記」の権平ひつじによるスパイコメディがジャンプでスタート|webs...

www.weblio.jp

Yozakura Wikipedia page with the same information as above:

夜桜さんちの大作戦 - Wikipedia

ja.wikipedia.org

Article used as source, which is false:

ãããã®çå¦è¨ãã®æ¨©å¹³ã²ã¤ãã«ããã¹ãã¤ã³ã¡ãã£ãã¸ã£ã³ãã§ã¹ã¿ã¼ã - ã³ããã¯ãã¿ãªã¼

本日8月26日に発売された週刊少年ジャンプ39号（集英社）にて、「ポロの留学記」の権平ひつじによる新連載「夜桜さんちの大作戦」がスタートした。

natalie.mu

Any of this information is completely fake until official statements are given by Shueisha themselves.

EDIT 17 minutes later: I deleted that stuff from the Wikipedia JP page. Dunno even if I did it properly, but anyway.

My goodness.
This just sounds like desperate fans trying to make their fav series look bigger than it is.

That said, Mashle being close to 200k circulation is actually quite possible once Vol 3 actually gets circulated.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

They could have gone with 200k, 300k it's way unrealistic kkkk but the series already reached 100k for sure, with 4 volumes selling over 20k copies each one, it's already there, it would be nice if Jump announces the print with volume 5, Jump Plus announced a 100k print for 2 series recently, one of them that even got canceled/finished already lol

 

[Blink22]

It took them a long time to announce Dr. Stone print numbers if I recall

 

[Tamil]

Jigokuraku on the cover for digital Jump+ magazine

 

[Nemesis]

Jigokuraku on the cover for digital Jump+ magazine

So, now they are doing digital covers? How? What is the schedule? They choose only a few or all manga?

 

[Ryuusei]

Shoseki Daily Ranking - 9/13

#2 Spy x Family 5
#3 My Hero Academia 28
#8 Dr. Stone 17
#31 Boruto 12
#39 Kimetsu no Yaiba TV Anime Character Book
#41 Jigokuraku 11
#107 Yuuna and the Haunted Hotsprings 23
#113 Undead Unluck 3
#275 2.5 Seduction 6
#287 Vigilante -My Hero Academia Illegals- 10
#460 Boukyaku Battery 8

 

[James Rye]

Happy to see UU3 rising up again. Did UU2 rise as well or did it fall out of the top500 after the 9/12's big drop?

 

[Aeneas]

Happy to see UU3 rising up again. Did UU2 rise as well or did it fall out of the top500 after the 9/12's big drop?

Vol. 1 - #270 > #214
Vol. 2 - #415 > #261

 

[Ryuusei]

Shoseki Weekly Ranking - 9/7~9/13

#2 Spy x Family 5
#3 My Hero Academia 28
#9 Dr. Stone 17
#11 Boruto 12
#15 Jigokuraku 11
#20 Kimetsu no Yaiba TV Anime Character Book
#72 Yuuna and the Haunted Hotsprings 23
#92 Undead Unluck 3
#120 2.5 Seduction 6
#140 Vigilante -My Hero Academia Illegals- 10
#213 Boukyaku Battery 8

30位26300/50位23500/100位10600/200位4850/300位3200/400位2750/500位2300

 

[James Rye]

Shoseki Weekly Ranking - 9/14~9/20

#2 Spy x Family 5
#3 My Hero Academia 28
#9 Dr. Stone 17
#11 Boruto 12
#15 Jigokuraku 11
#20 Kimetsu no Yaiba TV Anime Character Book
#72 Yuuna and the Haunted Hotsprings 23
#92 Undead Unluck 3
#120 2.5 Seduction 6
#140 Vigilante -My Hero Academia Illegals- 10
#213 Boukyaku Battery 8

30位26300/50位23500/100位10600/200位4850/300位3200/400位2750/500位2300

Wait, how can it be 9/20 when we still have 9/15? Am I lagging behind 5 days or what happened? oO