Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Stivie]

If Elusive Samurai gets top three every week and then bombs at volume release, then yeah that would be something to raise an eyebrow at.

If Elusive Samurai drops down to the bottom five and then bombs at volume release, the TOC placements could be summed up as "great initial reception, but it couldn't carry that momentum". This is what happened with Moriking, which had four good weeks (3-6-4-4) before dropping down to the bottom five and never really recovering.

The TOC is reliable as a rough estimate of popularity within the magazine. That can help to predict sales, but it isn't a 1-to-1. As we all know.



You are throwing around a lot of "what ifs". Phantom Seer hasn't been canceled, and it doesn't show any signs of wrapping up by the next batch. If they did cancel it, yeah, that would be a bad move right now. But they haven't.

It would very definitely appear that The Elusive Samurai has great early reception. Of course, people could lose interest in it and the TOC placements could go down, but that hasn't happened yet. Let's just wait and see before we start throwing around any more "what ifs".

We have fallen into this trap countless times, and we continue to fall. I'll just be sure of the good reception of The Elusive samurai by looking at volume sales.

Even if people have cast their votes, there is no guarantee that this is the manga's real position in the toc.

Matsui is a veteran who has two successes in the jump, so it is natural that he starts with a good internal popularity.

And speaking of internal popularity, from what I researched this is something that only influences veteran authors who already have a solid fanbase, this is not something that can influence a novice. however, internal reception does not last forever because if you do not attract new readers or if your fanbase does not continue to follow your work, gradually your series will fall, and soon it will be canceled.

 

[Mammo]

what is "internal popularity"?
and how do you "research" it?

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

I'm very happy with Kowloon and I hope it lives (I'm liking its start more than Haikyuu or Kuroko tbh), but this "very popular" means nothing to me. Build King and Time Ghost Paradox Writer also had "very popular" message and look at them

 

[Stivie]

what is "internal popularity"?
and how do you "research" it?

It is what you call internal reception.
What people use to try to justify Phantom remaining at the bottom.

 

[4Eyes]

what is "internal popularity"?
and how do you "research" it?

"Hey, Nakano, do you like this new series?"
"Yeah"

 

[SharkBait]

Editor note for Kowloon: "Nine Dragons gathering arc very popular thanks 23 pages!"

Looks like the people loving it are not posting on youtube or twitter then, just more proof that we shouldn't use social media as a gauge for popularity.

 

[tirakai]

I don't trust 'as thanks for the popularity' early on at all, we've had U19 series get lines like that.

 

[Mammo]

It is what you call internal reception.
What people use to try to justify Phantom remaining at the bottom.

oh, you mean literally? the reception within the magazine? like in how the editors like it?
ooookayyy....
how did you research it?

 

[SharkBait]

It is what you call internal reception.
What people use to try to justify Phantom remaining at the bottom.

I think cool internal reception actually explains why it hasn't been terminated yet and why it hasn't got any color pages.

 

[Stivie]

oh, you mean literally? the reception within the magazine? like in how the editors like it?
ooookayyy....
how did you research it?

Yes, that's exactly what you said.

reception within the magazine. like is editors

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I saw it on a Brazilian website that talks about jump.

 

[Brizzi]

Yes, that's exactly what you said.

reception within the magazine. like is editors

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I saw it on a Brazilian website that talks about jump.

Which is probably speculating.

 

[ItsSamu]

New series getting extra pages doesn't mean anything one way or another. Our Blood Oath got plenty of those and that was never popular. Neither can we trust super early claims of 'popularity' by the editors, like they did with Build King, when there's simply not been enough weeks to gauge that fully. You could say both those signs are hinting that Nine Dragons is doing well but it is just as likely (maybe more) that it's not doing well so they're giving it those extra pages and claims of popularity for it to have more attention for a much needed boost.

All that being said I do want Nine Dragons to survive and thrive. It's done a really good job with its introduction and is my favourite of the new batch however I'm worried that its slow start with minimal gameplay could backfire. I'm not holding out any hope until I know it's at least surviving a round or two.

 

[OtterBrigade]

ike they did with Build King, when there's not simply not been enough weeks to gauge that fully.

wasn't the chapter 2 colour page labeled "as thanks for popularity"? Aside from every new series getting a chapter 2 colour page for idk how many years now the issue with chapter 1 "announced" those colour pages making that statement literally impossible.

 

[SharkBait]

i thought the build king one shot was really popular, so I doubt they were lying about putting a thanks for popularity on the chp2 color page.

 

[OtterBrigade]

i thought the build king one shot was really popular, so I doubt they were lying about putting a thanks for popularity on the chp2 color page.

except it would have got the colour page regardless like every new series so it wasn't "for the popularity"

 

[lgrmjauffre]

The "extreme popularity" for Build King was listed for chapter 3, was it not? So that would have had nothing to do with the color page.

 

[Chuck_Atlas]

At this point I think it’s fair to say that any “thanks for the popularity” announcement actually means the opposite here lmao

 

[101nemesis]

Yeah, I want Kowloon to do well because I like the series. But I think the "Thanks for the popularity" should be read more like "Please read this series, we need more hits".
That's not to say Kowloon will fail. Point is it means nothing. It's just WSJ doing the bare minimum that they need to in order to push their property.

 

[Stivie]

Witch Watch is at the bottom and still in its official rank.

This does not seem like a good sign.

 

[Chuck_Atlas]

I think you mean “is still not it’s official rank” righty?