Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

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Your statement is false as hell. Everything that is pushed / promoted in one way or another is not ranked. Read what I wrote and make the deductions.

It's your choice to buy it or not. There is no manga with normal amount of pages which ranks 6th for its first chapter and immediately after that flops at bottom 2. I don't know if there is some kind of archive of the toc threads from a decade ago, but back then we knew extra pages = not ranked and that completely make sense.
There are a LOT of manga that started good and then crumbled.
2019, Saiyuki (6-12-13), Kamio Yui (6-8-11-14)
2015, Gakkyu Hotei (6-10)
2012, Pakki (Color-7-7-16)
2011, Sengoku Armors (6-14-14)
2006, P2 (8-15)

If you look at all the TOCs since 1999, you would see that cover and extra pages means NOTHING for a rank of a series. They're position with cover/extrap. it's always consistent with their usual rank.
 

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There are a LOT of manga that started good and then crumbled.
2019, Saiyuki (6-12-13), Kamio Yui (6-8-11-14)
2015, Gakkyu Hotei (6-10)
2012, Pakki (Color-7-7-16)
2011, Sengoku Armors (6-14-14)
2006, P2 (8-15)

If you look at all the TOCs since 1999, you would see that cover and extra pages means NOTHING for a rank of a series. They're position with cover/extrap. it's always consistent with their usual rank.
I don't know if KiMiTo is specifically saying having a good 1st ranking and dropping to the bottom 2 in the next issue, but there's also ST&RS:

ST&RS: 5th > 5th > 7th > CP > 15th (dead last)

Crazy how a series can get a cp on chapter 7, rank two weeks in 5th, get another cp and right after that sink hard in the last place lol (still got 39 chapters tho)
 

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This feels like the most dramatic cancelation of a newbie in a long time, even if Kawaguchi was Hori assistant i don't remember when was the last time a big author publicly addressed a newbie being axed
it's actually pretty normal, it's rare when they don't
iirc
Tabata said goodbye to both Gaurdian of the witch and Golem Heart authors, both are his former assistants
also Sorachi said goodbye to Cross Account (or Tokyo Wonder Boys?) and Takuan and Buttso, both are his former assistants
also Tosh to Alice and Tayio author
I think Crocodile said something about Higuma author too
 
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it's actually pretty normal, it's rae when they don't
iirc
Tabata said goodbye to both Gaurdian of the witch and Golem Heart authors, both are his former assistants
also Sorachi said goodbye to Cross Account (or Tokyo Wonder Boys?) and Takuan and Buttso, both are his former assistants
also Tosh to Alice and Tayio author
I think Crocodile said something about Higuma author too
Ohh really? i didn't really remember, thanks
 

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2020.29 Bone Collection ranked 4 (first ranking, no extra pages)
2020.30 Bone Collection ranked 5
2020.31 Bone Collection ranked 14 (bottom three)

It isn't very common to go directly from 6->bottom, sure, but it isn't as uncommon for series to drop after the first chapter as you're implying. Meanwhile Extra Pages only seem to affect TOC ranking if it is the first chapter, which is usually inflated upwards anyway.
It's not the same. When there is no extra pages, the ToC placement is at it is, but extra pages on the first ranking are as I said a last call before if nothing changes, we are considering the serie as a flop and will axe it. Otherwise there is no point of the extra pages. If it got so great reception, they will give it a CP or Cover with a LCP or will just be with normal amount of pages. When I see extra pages, espicially on the first ranking, I already know what is happening and time and time again it just proves to be like that.
There are a LOT of manga that started good and then crumbled.
2019, Saiyuki (6-12-13), Kamio Yui (6-8-11-14)
2015, Gakkyu Hotei (6-10)
2012, Pakki (Color-7-7-16)
2011, Sengoku Armors (6-14-14)
2006, P2 (8-15)

If you look at all the TOCs since 1999, you would see that cover and extra pages means NOTHING for a rank of a series. They're position with cover/extrap. it's always consistent with their usual rank.
That is not crumblig and that is for sure not what I mean. And from what you gave, neither of them are going from what you wish to be "6th place" to bottom 2 when there are on extra pages. If you look at all ToC's ever you'll know Cover and Extra pages are not considered as ranked. From the way you are thinking, then LCP is ranked too, since its "consistent with their usual rank".
Everything that is pushed / promoted in one way or another is not ranked. If you want to stay with the wishful thinking, I don't really mind, but the reality is different.



Btw the manga with an extra pages is placed alongside those with color pages on the cover. Make the deductions.
 

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Sorry for the quality :sweatbunny

That looks different from what i was expecting, pretty cool character design for both, excited for Ayashimon, thanks for sharing redon :^_^
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Everything that is pushed / promoted in one way or another is not ranked. If you want to stay with the wishful thinking, I don't really mind, but the reality is different.



Btw the manga with an extra pages is placed alongside those with color pages on the cover. Make the deductions.
This doesnt mean much, Kowloon also got featured in the cover with the final chapter because of the extra pages and Neru will be too next issue, is just basic procedure by Jump editorial, i woud hardly call it a push/promotion in these cases
 

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That looks different from what i was expecting, pretty cool character design for both, excited for Ayashimon, thanks for sharing redon :^_^
It's also very "Jump-like" too, which should attract new readers if they aren't familiar with him yet.
 

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It's not the same. When there is no extra pages, the ToC placement is at it is, but extra pages on the first ranking are as I said a last call before if nothing changes, we are considering the serie as a flop and will axe it. Otherwise there is no point of the extra pages. If it got so great reception, they will give it a CP or Cover with a LCP or will just be with normal amount of pages. When I see extra pages, espicially on the first ranking, I already know what is happening and time and time again it just proves to be like that.

That is not crumblig and that is for sure not what I mean. And from what you gave, neither of them are going from what you wish to be "6th place" to bottom 2 when there are on extra pages. If you look at all ToC's ever you'll know Cover and Extra pages are not considered as ranked. From the way you are thinking, then LCP is ranked too, since its "consistent with their usual rank".
Everything that is pushed / promoted in one way or another is not ranked. If you want to stay with the wishful thinking, I don't really mind, but the reality is different.



Btw the manga with an extra pages is placed alongside those with color pages on the cover. Make the deductions.
lol absolutely not. Anyway, continue thinking what you want, but honestly is ridicolous to count extra pages and cover as not-ranked. Your LCP example says how much you're wrong.
If you think cover is for promotion, tell it at Kochikame and Yu-Gi-Oh in cover but in bottom as they're usual places.
LCP are ALWAYS in first position, so those not count for the rank. Only color pages are promotion, not the rest.
 

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Bleach will have a "Super Stage EX" on Jump Festa 2022.


The Super Stage EX are for anime adaptations, Chainsaw Man will also have one, so we will finally get info about Bleach anime! And btw, the secret Super Stage is confirmed to be Spy x Family.
 

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This doesnt mean much, Kowloon also got featured in the cover with the final chapter because of the extra pages and Neru will be too next issue, is just basic procedure by Jump editorial, i woud hardly call it a push/promotion in these cases
Is it on the cover? It is. If it was not a push, it will no be there. The case with the endings that got extra pages - little push for the volume sales or their climax will be show in the final volume. It's a basic marketing procedure.
lol absolutely not. Anyway, continue thinking what you want, but honestly is ridicolous to count extra pages and cover as not-ranked. Your LCP example says how much you're wrong.
If you think cover is for promotion, tell it at Kochikame and Yu-Gi-Oh in cover but in bottom as they're usual places.
LCP are ALWAYS in first position, so those not count for the rank. Only color pages are promotion, not the rest.
Lmao, I just pointed how wrong is your point of view, but stay that way, it's your choice. That's way it's called LCP, because the magazine start with it. But when series like OP, JJK, MHA, Dr. Stone gets a LCP it's kinda "consistent with their usual rank" , right? And there a lot of series that got CP and their positions are too "consistent with their usual rank", lol. I already said what is promotion. If you think, cover is not promotion, that says it all.
 

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From Ryokutya post about the 3 new series, Mamore! Shugomaru literally sounds like Me & Roboco but swapping the genders, a female student with a male android :p
 

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Eiichiro Oda talks about Gōshō Aoyama in this week ToC message to celebrate Detective Conan Volume 100. Oda says he feels Aoyama-san like a comrade and that he understands the hardships of reach 100 volumes.
 

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From Ryokutya post about the 3 new series, Mamore! Shugomaru literally sounds like Me & Roboco but swapping the genders, a female student with a male android :p
That honestly sounds like it'd cause sales cannibalization, given Roboco is already established...
 

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Okay @KiMiTo and @Radagast92 , it's enough, you two presented your points about the extra pages thing, since this isn't something we can actually prove and confirm one or other is spreading "misinformation", let's just agree to disagree and move on before this turns into more personal attacks and more comments gets deleted too, thanks.
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Sorry for the quality :sweatbunny

Yep I'm getting good vibes with that, but we probably won't know until issue 7 like usual. Curious about the potential yokai - underworld topic, reminds me to a mix of Nurarihyon and Illegal Rare

I wonder if more authors have said goodbye to Kawaguchi besides Horikoshi. Probably Tabata too
 

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That's unfortunate for the author of the third series. His basically being a very similar idea to the first series in the batch, which is by a much more successful author, could really cause it to be overshadowed. Barring the possibility that the first series is awful and his is incredible, but I have reservations about that.
 

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That's unfortunate for the author of the third series. His basically being a very similar idea to the first series in the batch, which is by a much more successful author, could really cause it to be overshadowed. Barring the possibility that the first series is awful and his is incredible, but I have reservations about that.
and why jump allow that? why not wait for next batch for 3rd author.. now you create-yokaibowl in same batch..can devide easily your target audience..
well who knows. maybe both survive.
 
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