Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Kaiten]

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Oh, I'm sure. It can get on my nerves when companies are so afraid of bad PR that they apologies for harmless, mindless, meaningless things. There are far more "offensive" things currently in the magazine.

On a different note: Obata covers always leave me disappointed. His color work for Bakuman. has been phenomenal. Better then any current series except Mago. But the way he colors the cover is so bland compared to his splashes. Compared to Inoue's covers for the last two issues of Morning this is not much to look at. The design is excellent, but the coloring is as bland as Kishi and Oda.

Heiji - sama posted Mago's color pages in the Miscellaneous Magazine thread. I've put them in spoilers in case any one is waiting for the chapter to be released. It may not have gotten a cover, but finally, Mago gets a two page spread!!!

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[eni]

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I don't think it's about the helium but about the bottle. That is very dangerous. Helium from a balloon not so much. Just imagine you inhale like this and someone opens the bottle too much.

 

[BBB Banana]

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Yeah I think they did well you know how kids are nowadays. When I was in 6th grade or something some friends tried to mimic wwe dangerous moves and allways ended up hurting theselves.( pro wrestling for those who don't know)

 

[[Cross]]

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I don't think it's about the helium but about the bottle. That is very dangerous. Helium from a balloon not so much. Just imagine you inhale like this and someone opens the bottle too much.

While that's true, it's not realistic to expect kids who don't know any better to get a helium tank and take in the helium.

 

[Drmke]

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Yeah I think they did well you know how kids are nowadays. When I was in 6th grade or something some friends tried to mimic wwe dangerous moves and allways ended up hurting theselves.( pro wrestling for those who don't know)

Well I guess I just tend to see most kids with more common sense then they probably have. I mean even when I was little and watched some very violent show with plenty of drug use, I had enough sense not to mimic what I saw no matter how "funny" it might have been.

 

[BBB Banana]

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Well I guess I just tend to see most kids with more common sense then they probably have. I mean even when I was little and watched some very violent show with plenty of drug use, I had enough sense not to mimic what I saw no matter how "funny" it might have been.

You migth Had more comom sense and me to but I have to say kids have less and less comon sense in our days.

Anyway series like bleach and naruto are more fictional than sket dance you can't use bankai to kill someone or manipulate sand to crush someone bones LOL.

Oh and remember kids are all godie godie in front of older people so you don't know their true face XD.

 

[eni]

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While that's true, it's not realistic to expect kids who don't know any better to get a helium tank and take in the helium.

It's not that unrealistic when you think what a teenie would do to try helium. That can range from buying the small bottles and inhaling it directly from them (same effect as the big tank, immense dangerous pressure) or even breaking into a unsecured warehouse or whatever where such tanks are kept. Helium is not that much under security that it isn't available in one way or another.

You could even have a kid finger around the tank of a open balloon shop at the carnival in just one unobserved minute or the parents simply own a bottle. I own one too as well as air pressure bottles but I keep them out of reach for the kids, of course. However, they're kinda impossible to hide from a teenie.

 

[[Cross]]

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Right, though a teenie should know better, one way or another. But since Sket Dance seems to be one of the more realistic series in the Jump roster, I can see that when something like this happens, it would raise eye-brows.

 

[Kaiten]

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September Jump Comics sales, week 2:

1. One Piece vol 55 (366,160/1,487,845)
4. Gintama vol 30 (130,932/334,682)
11. Beelzebub vol 2 (41,584/109,656)
13. Kuroko no Basket vol 3 (31,469/74,889)
19. Kochikame vol 166 (28,047/66,311)
27. One Piece vol 54 (20,922/1,872,375)

Full top 30

Beelzebub breaks 100,000 in it's second week. Need anymore proof it will be a hit? Kuroko exceeding 70,000 is equally impressive. Consider both to be part of Jump's next generation.

Is it just me or will Jump be a better magazine when Naruto, Reborn, and Bleach end. The next wave is so much more varied and interesting then the last. Bakuman, Toriko, Beelzebub, Mago, Sket Dance, and Kuroko make a really interesting line up, no? One Piece would still be around, same with the occasional Togashi sighting too.

 

[Drmke]

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Wow Kuroko is truly a force to be reckoned with. I will definitely have to change my opinion on it. If only the story would pick up some.

And the new generation is becoming quite impressive. It is definitely time for all the old men of the magazine (except One Piece, Hunter x Hunter, Kochi, and Jaguar) to start thinking about retirement before they are forced into it.

This makes me wonder if Akaboshi and Medaka will get decent sales next month. Doubt they will break into the top 30, but it would be nice if they didn't bomb in sales.

 

[Rejuvenation]

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Is it just me or will Jump be a better magazine when Naruto, Reborn, and Bleach end. The next wave is so much more varied and interesting then the last. Bakuman, Toriko, Beelzebub, Mago, Sket Dance, and Kuroko make a really interesting line up, no? One Piece would still be around, same with the occasional Togashi sighting too.

Yes, since all 3 are essentially battle manga and don't really bring anything new into the magazine.

I actually expect Bakuman to end before Bleach but this upcoming line up is promising nonetheless.

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

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Bakuman, Toriko, Beelzebub, Mago, Sket Dance, and Kuroko make a really interesting line up, no? One Piece would still be around, same with the occasional Togashi sighting too.

Should I be worried that you did not include Psyren?

 

[Kaiten]

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No. Not really. I think it will last three or four years, the whole story will be told with a satisfying ending. Unlike the ones I listed I wouldn't call it a hit. I doubt Bakuman will much, given the story I imagine Ohba will end it after three years (give or take). But it's certainly the best seller, so far, of the series from 2007 - 2009.

 

[Koshi_Inaba]

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Psyren will probably become a cult hit like neuro or muhyo, not a big hit like Mago, Toriko, Beelze, etc

 

[SameOld]

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I doubt Bakuman will much, given the story I imagine Ohba will end it after three years (give or take).

I disagree. Three years is way too much. I can see it ending in forty chapters at most. There isn't too much left to do with the story now that the last important topic has been covered in the latest chapter. From now on, all that's left to do is

Spoiler

showing Saiko and Shuujin's return to Jump, which is basically repeating the first half of the story.

Bakuman's chapters are really fast-paced and show LOTS of things happening at once, and if you take Death Note into consideration, it doesn't seem like Ohba's the kind of guy who likes to drag his stories for too long, so there's absolutely no reason Bakuman can't wrap itself up in a hundred chapters or so.

 

[ruggia]

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Bakuman's chapters are really fast-paced and show LOTS of things happening at once, and if you take Death Note into consideration, it doesn't seem like Ohba's the kind of guy who likes to drag his stories for too long, so there's absolutely no reason Bakuman can't wrap itself up in a hundred chapters or so.

hmmm.... to me, Death Note seemed like a badly managed manga that started to drag on once L died. it seemed like Ohba tried to keep the manga in too much drama and fast-pace story that he made the mistake of rushing the death of L. after L died, it seemed like the story was dragging on senselessly. i figured the Death Note ended at that point because the mangakas ran out of stuff to continue.
hopefully, Bakuman remains stable till the end. but i can see how the story could drag on once Ohba runs out of ideas.

i'm surprised how well Kochikame is selling, even after all those years.... its still popular i guess

 

[fxu]

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Need any more proof that the series that get pimped with colors and covers are bigger hits than those who don't?

What are the chances of Beelzebub reaching 100k if it wasn't for those 10+ colors. Hell, getting even 3 colors in just two months is pimping it... considering you have ~20 series.

52 week / 20 series = 2 colors a year every series, and some might get more.

I don't understand why they keep giving it to those who are already big sellers (although a little reward along the way wouldn't hurt)... perhaps it doesn't work how I think it does. Does Jump commission the authors to color, or does the author colors it and lets the Jump staff know they have one?


Yes, this all falls back down to Psyren not getting any fucking love (although I wouldn't like it if Psyren was getting pimped instead of Beelzebub)

 

[BBB Banana]

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I'm not sure but in one of bakuman chapters they said they pay twice as much for coloured pages. (not sure if it was twice )

So a colour page is areward for the good work. Also Jump has lot's of people tring to get serialized and if one series is doing bad is easier to axe it and put a new one.

 

[shades7000]

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Hmm does anyone have a chart that shows how many color pages each jump series has had since they were serialized?

 

[Koshi_Inaba]

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Need any more proof that the series that get pimped with colors and covers are bigger hits than those who don't?

What are the chances of Beelzebub reaching 100k if it wasn't for those 10+ colors. Hell, getting even 3 colors in just two months is pimping it... considering you have ~20 series.

52 week / 20 series = 2 colors a year every series, and some might get more.

I don't understand why they keep giving it to those who are already big sellers (although a little reward along the way wouldn't hurt)... perhaps it doesn't work how I think it does. Does Jump commission the authors to color, or does the author colors it and lets the Jump staff know they have one?


Yes, this all falls back down to Psyren not getting any fucking love (although I wouldn't like it if Psyren was getting pimped instead of Beelzebub)

Mago only got five color during it's first year, it managed to break 100k in it's second volume. Psyren is more of a case of not finding it's audience yet