Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Kaiten]

hint: bleach is pimped. constantly.

Ya don't say. hadn't noticed at all *_______*

While I'm a Bleach fan, I'm a much bigger DGM fan, and would prefer the former series to get center color. Besides, Hoshino's color work is so much better then Kubo's, it would be nice to see it featured on the cover.

Hoop Men is not losing it's cover. It get's the cover for issue 14, Bleach issue 15. The color page in that issue is the complimentary second every new series gets. Hopefully Hoop Men is better then Kuroko and the latter collapses. IMO Kuroko gets a little more boring with every chapter.

 

[eni]

Ah, it's the second chapter for the Hula Hoop guys >.>

Sorry, misread it earler ... but still! DGM!

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Ya don't say. hadn't noticed at all *_______*

While I'm a Bleach fan, I'm a much bigger DGM fan, and would prefer the former series to get center color. Besides, Hoshino's color work is so much better then Kubo's, it would be nice to see it featured on the cover.

Hoop Men is not losing it's cover. It get's the cover for issue 14, Bleach issue 15. The color page in that issue is the complimentary second every new series gets. Hopefully Hoop Men is better then Kuroko and the latter collapses. IMO Kuroko gets a little more boring with every chapter.

@bold: this is truth.

and both basketball series can live alongside each other, and kuroko is still a quality series, one where the art is steadily improving, so i can only hope it goes from strength to strength.


mainly due to my need for a sports pillar for my four new age pillars of jump idea

 

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Bleach's best part was... uhm... three years ago? >.>

As much as I liked some instances of the post-SS arc (e.g. when Inoue said baibai to Ichigo or when Ulqui got his bitchslap from her or when little Nell - ah, so cuuute - transformed into sexy Neliel or or or the appearance of Kaien , ect...) but if you cut all the boredom inbetween out you could reduce Bleach easily into a 12 volumes complete series by now

LOL I never said its the best part of the series, but I think its suppose to be since there's a war going on, plus Bleach needs the pimping to keep it popular and recognised to avoid it declining.

I agree the best arc was the SS one.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

yes but IF it declines in the TOC it won't matter with the long term fans still buying it. D. Gray-man sells well, but deserves a full on celebration for its return

 

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

hmm yeah editors probably are favourable to bleach for some reason.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

well because it sells, the same reason they favour naruto and one piece. what they don't get is that they'll sell anyway what with how long they've been around, and that promoting smaller series may actually help them make more money

 

[Kaiten]

DGM sells well enough to get pimped. It has the cosplayers, the crap merchandise, a 100 episode anime, the doujinshi, etc. Unlike it's closest compitition, Reborn and Gintama, it doesn't get votes in the TOC. While we all know DGM won't be canceled, all of those mid and low ranks it gets really hurts when it comes to covers. Also, Hoshino used to slam her editor in between chapters during the early volumes. She threatened to name an Akuma after him. There may be some lingering hostility between her and the editorial staff.

Bleach may be getting a little extra pimping because it's the final arc. Strange as it may sound, what with the amount of stretching Kubo is doing, this is the final war between Aizen and Soul Society. It may last another two years, but Jump knows this is the last chance they have to squeeze as many yen out of Bleach.

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Bleach is not in it's final arc...

 

[Imitorar]

Not taking a stand either way, but I that really such a big deal? I mean I personally think you can/should have both, but there are other manga people can read if they are looking to be mentally stimulated. I mean, we all know the overall demographic. You either like it or you don't. I find it surprising that people still cannot accept these manga for what they are and what they are trying to accomplish.

ps. Not trying to sound like a jerk, sorry if I do.

It's true, shonen is shonen, but there's good shonen and bad shonen. There are shonen that are cliched and action-based, but the cliches are well executed and the story is entertaining. Then there are shonen where the execution is bad, or the story is dull, and it becomes DBZ the anime the manga, like Bleach. All bluster and powering up and mindless hammering away at enemies, no sort of story or plot, and Reborn seems to be going the same way. Bleach had a story once, and it was a rather good one. Not among the greatest of shonen plots, but fair enough. But now that plot is buried under layers of pointless and dragged out and dull fights. I like shonen, no matter what anyone says about them being repetitive and sophomoric. I don't mind that, but I like them well executed, and Bleach and Reborn have of late been executed horribly.

 

[Kaiten]

Bleach is not in it's final arc...

So you don't think everything since the gaiden is leading to the fight with Aizen? As I said it will take a long time to get through every character that gets a fight, but then that's it. I say Bleach ends in 2010 or early 2011.

 

[Akainu]

that is, if Aizen will be the final opponent and the mangaka doesn't find something/someone new they can fight, for example something Aizen set up before he was defeated... *horror*

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

First of all Aizen will not be defeated for quite sometime. You are correct on that. In fact I would not be surprised if he turns out to be the final villain (who could be stronger?) But for once, I am not speaking from opinion but from what Kubo-sensei said with his own mouth: "I can't really say how long this story will be by the time it ends, but I have a few more stories that I want to tell, so this series will go on for a while. (laughs)" So if he does not know himself, how can anyone else? I suppose this could be interpreted a few different ways, so if you have any other thoughts, I would love to hear them.


ps. Here is the link to the interview: http://manga.about.com/od/mangaartistinterviews/a/TiteKubo_3.htm

 

[Kaiten]

that is, if Aizen will be the final opponent and the mangaka doesn't find something/someone new they can fight, for example something Aizen set up before he was defeated... *horror*

Don't even say it. One Inuyasha is enough thank you. Another year/year and a half of Bleach is enough for me. Hopefully this is the "winter war", Aizen is the main bad guy, and Bleach will end on a triumphant note in issue 49, 2010.

 

[Crude]

I really wanted to see a DGM cover! Maybe we'll get one soon, that is if Hoshino is actually the one who doesn't want to do a cover.

 

[StrangerAtaru]

The biggest problem regarding Bleach is that Kubo just seems to think more like a storyboard artist at times as opposed to a writer of manga. In some ways, the series is excruciating enough but a lot of it just seems more cinematic or like storyboards for a movie than actually a manga written weekly. I can't stand the series myself but unfortunately we're stuck with it until it's done, including these horrid pacing problems and forgetting about storytelling for more fight sequences.

As for how much longer the story has, somehow I still think there probably is at least one more arc left that I can imagine but that's it. As we saw with the Karakura fights, Kubo's starting to reveal the abilities and capabilities of characters who hadn't had the chance until now and will probably soon start revealing more Bankai of the captains amidst the fight with the Espada. Aside from them, figuring out where the Vizard and other Karakura players fit (Urahara, Isshin & Ishida's dad) and the King's Dimension, there probably is enough for another year to year and a half after Ulquiorra's fight now...but knowing Kubo's pacing problems, it will be much longer. Preferably I sort of wish the anime would get cancelled so Bleach would start having more pressure under it to get results or get out...but for some reason Pierrot is just stupid enough to keep it going regardless of their own pacing problems.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

I wonder what happened 2 years ago between Hoshino and the Editorial Department.

With any luck though the Editorial Department will realize it's blunder and give D. Gray Man a cover at least once, maybe twice.

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Preferably I sort of wish the anime would get cancelled so Bleach would start having more pressure under it to get results or get out...but for some reason Pierrot is just stupid enough to keep it going regardless of their own pacing problems.

God, I hope you never get your way...

 

[Digital_Eon]

Wow, if there is some tension there, that would totally explain a lot of things about DGM...

But she got a new editor, didn't she? Or was that part of the problem...

 

[Kaiten]

My other theory about DGM is that it has a different audience then the other action series. One Piece is an institution with across the board appeal. Bleach and Naruto are huge with middle schoolers, Jump's target audience. I could be wrong but it would seem that D. Gray Man's audience is primarily high schoolers, closer to the audience of Shonen Magazine. Missing the middle school vote is enough to push DGM to the middle of the TOC.