Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[StrangerAtaru]

Kaiten and I were also talking about how Mag actually cares about series that don't have anime and give double chapters due to how many have to take a week off every few...compared to "it's been a month, let's give Bleach another cover, screw D.Gray for returning".

Besides, just because nothing is going on doesn't mean you have to revive the post.

 

[Kaiten]

Kaiten and I were also talking about how Mag actually cares about series that don't have anime and give double chapters due to how many have to take a week off every few...compared to "it's been a month, let's give Bleach another cover, screw D.Gray for returning".

It's easier not to give preferential treatment when all that's on the cover is idols. But, how cool would it have been if Jump had given some of it's rising and middle tier series double chapters and color pages just to, I don't know, promote them.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

yeah i think most of us who take an interest in how the anthologies do their business are far more impressed with mag than jump. the only solace is the SQ department obvious have good ideas (lots of colour for matsuri special and ice revolution, yet still time to fit most stuff in? awesome)

 

[Kaiten]

Kodansha, in general, is a better publisher the Shueisha. I give Shueisha an edge on two points: SQ is better then Rival and much better then Monthly Magazine. And, Jump is more dedicated to new artists then Magazine. For how quickly things come and go, Jump is dedicated to new series by unknown mangaka and always gives them second chances. You don't see that, at least to the same degree, in the competition.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Fine. Since one has anything to say. I already posted this to the ShoMag thread, but only like three people ever go there ^^ (shame on you all, it's a great magazine) so I'll post it here too:

This is probably only of interest to me, and says nothing most of you didn't already know about Jump, but here is a breakdown of the demographics for the big three shonen magazines.

Thats some pretty interesting stuff actually, fascinating. Though I wasn't blown away by all of the information it was interesting to get a good idea what the exact demographics were.

 

[Sexy Randal 105]

#14 (02/03)
Kawaguchi Yukinori / Hoop Men (New Série)
Inumaru, Kuroko, Belze (Pc)

Es21
Psyen
Neuro
Bokke
To Love
Jaguar
One Piece (Absent)

#15 (09/03)
Bleach (Couv & Pc)
D,Gray-man (Retour)
Hoop (Pc)

Psyren back in the bottom, Bokkesan proves it doesn't have what it takes to survive, Eyeshield continues to hint cancellation, Bleach gets an undeserved cover and D.Gray-man gets squat.

 

[Kaiten]

Thats some pretty interesting stuff actually, fascinating. Though I wasn't blown away by all of the information it was interesting to get a good idea what the exact demographics were.

It was obvious most of Jump's readers were under 18 without that post. How old Shonen Magazine and how balanced Sunday's audience is in comparison is what I found interesting.

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Psyren back in the bottom, Bokkesan proves it doesn't have what it takes to survive, Eyeshield continues to hint cancellation, Bleach gets an undeserved cover and D.Gray-man gets squat.

Don't lose faith just yet. Bokke-san can still come back and Psyren has been a rollar coaster for some time. I bet by next week, Psyren will be back above Inumaru, Mago and Sket. And when Hoop Men and Beezle get ranked, it will be above them too. Bokke will survive, but I have to admit it's not looking good right now...

 

[predsfan]

Don't lose faith just yet. Bokke-san can still come back and Psyren has been a rollar coaster for some time. I bet by next week, Psyren will be back above Inumaru, Mago and Sket. And when Hoop Men and Beezle get ranked, it will be above them too. Bokke will survive, but I have to admit it's not looking good right now...

How can you say Pysren will be above Hoop Men and Beezle? Hoop men hasn't even released a chapter yet and Beezle's one chapter in, and, imo, already better than Psyren (granted I've recently dropped Psyren from my reading habits)? It's not right to assume just because you don't like them (how you can already dislike Hoop men w/o even reading a chapter is beyond me), doesn't mean the people who vote will dislike them. Look at Toriko and Bakuman for example. They were successful right from the start. Furthermore, iirc, Inumaru has rarely been below Pysren.

On another note, no color for One Piece after a week off and no cover for DGM makes me . Otherwise, I would have no problems with Bleach getting color and a cover.

 

[GARusashi]

like I said in the Bokke-San thread, it will probably survive. It's only being rated on the first few chapters so far, and the manga-ka is no foreigner to JUMP.

I also just say this because I find the art to be absolutely amazing and attractive. Same with Muhyo, I loved the art, but Bokke is like a polished version of Muhyo's art. I only wish Bokke had a character as awesome as Muhyo..

 

[Sexy Randal 105]

Bokkesan won't recover. This is usually how you can tell if a series will live. If the series hangs out around the top-middle for about 25 chapters and is occasionally in the basement, it usually has a good chance of survival. If a series is in the bottom five chapters or less from it's first ranking, it usually is going to die off pretty soon.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

i'm biased due to my affiliation with beelzebub, but i don't see it doing poorly... ideally it'll do the same as psyren so both survive XD assisstant and master side by side.

and next cancellations could be mago and bokke-san. mago could easily end with it's current arc and bokke may not recover, so it seems the likeliest options. that or neuros end

 

[Kaiten]

Bokkesan won't recover. This is usually how you can tell if a series will live. If the series hangs out around the top-middle for about 25 chapters and is occasionally in the basement, it usually has a good chance of survival. If a series is in the bottom five chapters or less from it's first ranking, it usually is going to die off pretty soon.

QFT. The first 10 chapters determine weather it survives or not. Bokke fills every qualification for ending after three volumes.

and next cancellations could be mago and bokke-san. mago could easily end with it's current arc and bokke may not recover, so it seems the likeliest options. that or neuros end.

Mago won't end yet. More likely one of the basketball series will be canceled along with Bokke. I lean towards Hoop Men as Kuroko already has an audience.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

where can mago go after this arc? i guess a inner conflict arc but that's it really. it's already successful but it has a lifespan. kuroko's popular and hoop men isn't even out yet so we can't rule them out really........ i think whatever happens this is gonna be the toughest cancellation EVER in a coupla months, pretty much everything in the TOC is liked by someone around here

 

[Kaiten]

where can mago go after this arc? i guess a inner conflict arc but that's it really. it's already successful but it has a lifespan. kuroko's popular and hoop men isn't even out yet so we can't rule them out really........ i think whatever happens this is gonna be the toughest cancellation EVER in a coupla months, pretty much everything in the TOC is liked by someone around here

Kuroko's been successful enough to warrant color twice in three weeks, four times in eleven chapters. Mago's a potential hit, action, and out of the bottom five this week. And we both have read enough Jump to know action series don't have lifespans, they can be stretched for eternity if their popular enough. Beelzebub's a comedy, even the comedies that have failed in the last few years (Yusha for example) had decent life spans. That narrows it down to Psyren, Sket, and Hoop Men. Psyren is the lowest seller among all current series. Sket is dead even with Neuro for the next worst. Jump has never had a huge sports fan base, Hoop Men will have to compete for votes with Kuroko. The speed with which Kuroko has established itself will work against Hoop Men in the polls. As Hoop Men will be the least established of the possible cuts, it seems reasonable that it will be canceled quickly. Of course the wild cards are Eyeshield and Neuro, both could easily end by the time next cuts come around. I do agree, these will be brutal cuts. The magazine is in really good shape right now. There are very few series that I personally want to end, and it seems most of you feel the same, even if you have your own preference for what stays and goes. If Shueisha gave me the choice I'd end Kuroko and Eyeshield (mercy killing).

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

How can you say Pysren will be above Hoop Men and Beezle? Hoop men hasn't even released a chapter yet and Beezle's one chapter in, and, imo, already better than Psyren (granted I've recently dropped Psyren from my reading habits)? It's not right to assume just because you don't like them (how you can already dislike Hoop men w/o even reading a chapter is beyond me), doesn't mean the people who vote will dislike them. Furthermore, iirc, Inumaru has rarely been below Pysren.

If you can say that Beezle is better than Psyren after one chapter, how come I can't hope that Psyren crushes it in the TOC? Maybe Hoop Men was a little premature, but Kuroko has a decent audience so that puts it at a disadvantage already. I never said that I will dislike Hoop Men, but I know I will prefer Psyren to it and Kuroko is enough basketball for me anyway. If Hoop Men was first I might feel the opposite way. And I can only HOPE that people will dislike Beezle because there are better manga than it in Jump and there are better manga that could be in Jump. Of course this is all heresay, so we will have to see how things play out.

 

[Galactic Tomahawk]

where can mago go after this arc? i guess a inner conflict arc but that's it really. it's already successful but it has a lifespan. kuroko's popular and hoop men isn't even out yet so we can't rule them out really........ i think whatever happens this is gonna be the toughest cancellation EVER in a coupla months, pretty much everything in the TOC is liked by someone around here

This is shounen, I don't think it'll be too hard to bring in new enemies this early in the game. It seems like the author may have already set up for that with the implication that someone else was behind the events of the last arc.

On Bokke-san, I'm willing to give it some time since it did pick up in the last few chapters but unless one of the new series totally bombs or Neuro's end speeds up (both of which are possible), it's odds are extremely low.

 

[Digital_Eon]

Wait, DGM isn't even getting a promised colour page?! Ugh.

I'm slightly amused that Bokke went to the bottom and is STILL doing better than To Love-Ru.

 

[Kaiten]

Wait, DGM isn't even getting a promised colour page?! Ugh.

I'm slightly amused that Bokke went to the bottom and is STILL doing better than To Love-Ru.

It should still be getting color. I haven't seen any updates at Ritual, or anywhere else, to suggest otherwise.

 

[Rejuvenation]

I think if Eyeshield can naturally end before the next cuts and Hoop Men just tanks it could help to save the other series that we want to keep. Problem being Eyeshield may have another 20-30 chapters before that so it might not be in time. Maybe if Neuro can end first? >.>