Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

I really don't think you guys should rely on the early non-rankings so much. There's always been series doing around this well right up until they reach the actual rankings, upon which they tank hard.

If you look as recently as Meister and Bokke-san, they weren't quite as high as Medaka and Akaboshi have been, but they were doing alright and pretty much consistently beating Kuroko until each hit their respective eight chapter mark and the situation completely reversed.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Medaka and sket sket dance will be battling for survival in the coming weeks after Medaka Box hits its 8th chapter.

 

[SameOld]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

If you look as recently as Meister and Bokke-san, they weren't quite as high as Medaka and Akaboshi have been, but they were doing alright and pretty much consistently beating Kuroko until each hit their respective eight chapter mark and the situation completely reversed.

Something tells me Bokke-san was given a little more respect because the author just returned from a moderately succesful, 18-volume series. He did get a color page for no apparent reason when his series had already tanked, didn't he?
And if I recall, Asklepios started sinking even before chapter 8, while Chagecha didn't even reach the point where it'd start ranking. Meister is a mystery.

On a side note, has anyone read the one-shots published in the last two weeks? are they any good?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

On a side note, has anyone read the one-shots published in the last two weeks? are they any good?

I looked at the the raw of one it looked like it was bout a little girl with super human strength and cat like reflexes. She lives with or is friends with a bunch of kung-fu cats.
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/31576/1

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

I really don't think you guys should rely on the early non-rankings so much. There's always been series doing around this well right up until they reach the actual rankings, upon which they tank hard.

Erm... not really... When a series tanked early, it's more likely to crash than not.
And Bokke's early ranking sucked...

Bokke		1 	9 	12 	11 	13 	13 	8 	12 	16 	17
My Star 	1 	7 	8 	12 	13 	10 	12 	17 	18 	18 
Beelze 		1 	4 	9 	11 	7 	7 	4 	6 	7 	10 
Medaka		1	4	8	7	10	7	
Akaboshi	1	4	9	7	9

Both Bokke and My Star crashed and stayed below second digit rankings early on, while Beelze rebounded back to single digit as early as chapter 5.

Same with Medaka and Akaboshi, the dip wasn't even that hard to begin with for them.

The early weeks takes into account of snap polls (as oppose to 8 chapter poll like other series), and it's been known to play an important in how the series might go on.

 

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Yeah. Not to say that there aren't some series that'll rank higher or lower to reflect their popularity, but there's quite a few that have gone in the other direction and I've rarely found it a very reliable method this early on. The reason that was cited for Bokke-san is pretty much a perfect example of a way this could happen.

Edit: Bokke's are slightly lower than I remember, but it was more about the reversal with Kuroko than that.

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

The first ten weeks determine weather a series lives or dies. The series that do well in the snap polls are the ones that last past twenty chapters.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Reading the oneshot "Kiben Gakuha, Yotsuya Sensei no Kaidan" from jump issue 28. Its different.

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

The first ten weeks determine weather a series lives or dies. The series that do well in the snap polls are the ones that last past twenty chapters.

*Nod*
The only one I could recall that actually defied this was P2...

P2	1  	10  	4  	11  	10  	16  	15  	10  	17  	15

I can't think of anything else :/

 

[Koen]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

@Finestela: could you please check out the positions from those series when their true rating started and onwards... Maybe there's some consistency in those beginning positions and their true rated positions.

 

[Finestela]

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[color=blue][b]Title		W1/8	W2/9	W3/10	W4/11	W5/12	W6/13	W7/14	--/15[/b][/color]
[color=red]P2[/color]		1C  	10  	4C  	11  	10  	16  	15
8~15  		10  	17  	15  	18  	19  	20  	22  	22

[color=red]Bokke[/color]		1C 	9C 	12 	11 	13 	13 	8
8~15  		13  	16  	17  	17  	10C  	17  	19  	17

[color=red]My Star[/color] 	1C  	7C  	8  	12  	14  	10  	12  	
8~15  		18  	19  	19

[color=red]Beelze[/color] 		1C  	4C  	9  	11  	7  	7  	4
8~15  		6C  	7  	10C  	5  	8  	1C  	10	4

[color=red]Medaka[/color]		1C	4C	8	7	10	7	
[color=red]Akaboshi[/color]	1C	4C	9	7	9

*C denotes for cover and/or color pages

I think My Star was stick in the back not because it polled THAT bad for chapter 1~3, but rather that it's getting cut...

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

*Nod*
The only one I could recall that actually defied this was P2...

P2	1  	10  	4  	11  	10  	16  	15  	10  	17  	15

I can't think of anything else :/

P2 will always be the magic exception to ANY RULE, especially when considering the final two volumes hit the shonen top 10 on their week of release, something nobody expected.

Medaka and sket sket dance will be battling for survival in the coming weeks after Medaka Box hits its 8th chapter.

a soon to be 2 year long series versus a newcomer? even with the similar premises I wouldn't say that's a battle that exists.

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Ko-neta's out...

53 ： ◆EizHb38XPU ：2009/06/15(月) 01:26:28 ID:4azcjCcXO
小ネタ
・30ドベ６　フープ、とら、黒子、スケ、ぬら、PSY
・31巻頭＠　Ｃ読切、鰤、べるぜ＜32もＣ

2009-30, Bottom 6:
Psyren
Mago
Sket Dance
Kuroko
ToLoveRu
Hoopman

2009-31
Lead CP: Naruto
CP: 1-shot, Bleach, Beelze (Also CP for Beelze in 2009-32)

 

[Crude]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

So as soon as ES21 leaves, Kuroko bombs?

 

[Rejuvenation]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Well well well, Kuroko fell pretty damn low. No surprises there. If it becomes a trend I'll lol and be happy with a new cushion. =P

Psyren, Sket, and Mago in the basement. =/

Bleach and Beelzebub do not need anymore colors for a while. Beelzebub getting them back-to-back is a bit much.

Medaka not being placed in the bottom 5 in the 7th week is good too. Only one more week to see its true ranking. [noparse][/noparse]

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Kuroko crashed... Or maybe an outlier?
Psyren, Mago, and Sket Dance all near the bottom = a bit annoying...
Lead CP for Naruto... it better not be another Sasuke pimping
And Beelze getting TWO CONSECUTIVE ISSUES OF CP!??! Come on!! That's waaaaaay too obvious pimping right there...

 

[Googlez_kun]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

naruto gets a cover

well anyway
i'm kind of confused because i didn't saw the toriko cover...where is it??
or hasn't it come out yet?
thanks in advance

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

naruto gets a cover

well anyway
i'm kind of confused because i didn't saw the toriko cover...where is it??
or hasn't it come out yet?
thanks in advance

It hasn't come out yet.

 

[kewl0210]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

The Toriko cover came out a few days ago. It's right here:
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/34523/1

 

[[Cross]]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

...what...the...hell. Beezle, two colours in a row? Should that be possible? Well it's not fair. Kuroko bombed so quickly I forgot what it's previous rank was, I'd laugh if it gets cut before Hoop Men. Sket doing low in the Bossun past arc is sorta disconcerning. And we haven't seen any Sauce-que for quite some time, I'm not surprised that he gets a colour page, let alone the lead colour.