Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Kaiten]

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Psyren and Sket both debuted at a time when the middle and back of the magazine were unstable. Now you have Bakuman, Toriko, and Mago occupying the middle tier along with To Love Ru. That tier was less popular, consisting of series such as Neuro and Mx0 then. Sket and Psyren always had less popular series such as Hitomi, La Visiteur, Muddy, K.O. Sen, and Poseidon that polled lower. Also, series like P2, Samurai Usagi, Yusha Gaku that lasted a year despite poor polls protected them; as well as the end of more established series such as Prince of Tennis and Mx0. If Kuroko continues to the poll low it might benefit from the same effect, it's lasted long enough that something new will get fewer votes. Unfortunately for Kuroko the middle and top of the magazine are far less fluid then they were in 2007 and 2008. With Toriko as a high polling hit and Beelzebub a regular in the top five, everything else is pushed down. The success of Mago and Bakuman, despite polling erratically, have closed more spots in the magazine to new series. Signs are beginning to point to a sizable burst in Psyren's fandom, I expect volume 7 will move closer to 100,000 in first week sales. Sket Dance appears poised to get an anime, meaning it is no longer in danger of cancellation. Most likely any new series that bottoms quickly, or series from 2009 that doesn't have the sales to justify low polls, is in immediate danger.

 

[Galactic Tomahawk]

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I think I want to see Kagijin succeed even more now. If just for the hilarious haterants.

Not really too much I'm worried about in the bottom 5, Akaboshi is the only one of them I still have much interest in and even that's waning for me. Long as Psyren, Mago, Sket Dance and Beelzebub keep doing alright I'm satisified for now.

 

[SSJWill4]

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Shows how much confidence they have in Wajima... Doesn't even freaking get the cover. My prediction is it lasts 8 weeks.

Just wanted to point out that Inumaru Dashi STILL has never gotten a cover page, so I don't think it's necessarily a bad omen seeing as it'll prob be a short gag series and all.

This bottom 5 makes me very happy. Akaboshi, Medaka Box, and Kuroko are all series that I would be fine with being cut. Hopefully this next batch proves to be more successful. I liked Hitomi quite a bit, so I'm looking forward to Kagijin. Hopefully I'll actually have a chance to read Wajima, seeing as gag series in wsj don't seem to really get scanlated all that much. Still waiting on the Edited Manga for Ane Doki; hopefully it ends up being a good series as well.

Lastly, I really hope HxH does come back in the fall. *crossesfingers*

 

[Kaiten]

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Gag rarely get covers. Jaguar only gets one a year, but Jaguar is an exception to every rule. The new series not getting the cover is standard practice. And it has to last more then 8 weeks, otherwise it won't have enough pages to fill a single volume.

 

[Akainu]

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Does it really? 7-8 should be just fine considering the first and second chapters are usually longer. Chagecha for example was ended with around that amount of chapters.

 

[StrangerAtaru]

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To-Love ranking higher...8 issues ago was a CP and the start of the "Train" story, so that explains it. But yeah...Akaboshi bombed, Medaka is in danger too, and Kuroko...just can't catch a break.

Considering this is the gag series, remember that most gag series don't really get covers. Neither of the "Inumaru Dashi" author's works (that or "Maison De Penguin") got nothing more than a "side of a cover" when it premiered, so it's not like it's a bad sign, just that it is a bit less to support it.

 

[Kaiten]

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Does it really? 7-8 should be just fine considering the first and second chapters are usually longer. Chagecha for example was ended with around that amount of chapters.

Chagecha had the usual 18 page chapters. Waji could to, but the preview makes it look more like a Jaguar type of gag. Even with longer first chapter, probably about 25 pages, more then ten chapters will be needed to reach the 150 or so pages needed for a tankobon. Gag series, like Poseidon, usually don't get the quick 8 - 15 chapter cancellations. But nothing really has this year, at least since Meister.

 

[Drmke]

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The Kagijin oneshot was just average to me, but who knows, the actual series could be miles ahead of it. I mean usually the series is much better than the oneshot. Hell, just look at Naruto's oneshot. It sucked imo. But we all can see that the series was much better so I think it best we don't jump the gun on hating Kagijin just yet.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

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We should have predicted that Kuroko would have dropped some point. The reason is that Kuroko's pace is rocket fast, like I think Seihou arc should have last bit more longer, and lack of character development on other characters. I think Kuroko's only hope is sale of volume 2 and the author admit his problem and try to fix it.

Also, there are debate over whether Kagijin will fail or not. Looks like some people didn't like one shot that much, but we should make judgement when it serialized and wait for few weeks. But, there are slight possibility that Kagijin would fail because of pattern about the pattern.

Itou Mikio, Uchimizu Tohru, Kasi Kimiya, and Amano Yoichi, these authors have similarities from each other. They have failed their first series, then they failed or is failing again on their second series. I think their major weakness are the plot. They all have good sense of art, but they don't have good sense for plotline. I think plot is major concern for manga than art. So, I think these artist should paired up with someone who actually have good sense of plot, like Akatsuki starts working with Nisio Isin, famous light novelist. But, Medaka is drop to bottom five, so I'm not sure that my suggestion is good solution, yet. I'm just hoping that Medaka survives and makes example for these manga artists.

 

[Finestela]

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I stand by my original assumption... that ToLoveRu had been stick in the back not because of actual rankings, but merely because Yabuki is behind (by a day or even two), and had to turn in his chapters in late for the printing press.

Authors who turn in their pages in late are always placed near the end of the magazine... that's a known fact.

Anyway, with Yabuki caught up and back on his weekly schedule, I'm fairly sure that TLR wouldn't be sticking in dead last that often...

 

[Jabberwocky]

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Medaka Box right now reminds me of early "Hitman Reborn!" chapters. Its kinda lackluster compared to his other character driven stories I heard of or read.
Nisio Isin(Author) could fail with Medaka Box and come back with something better. He could do a mystery or supernatural genre manga and with his way of storytelling that could be interesting.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

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Does anyone know the early ranking and early volume sells for Slam Dunk, Rookies, Whistle!, Prince of Tennis, Mr. Fullswing, and Eyeshield 21?

 

[Drmke]

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After finishing Ane Doki's first chapter it seems like an alright series. Weird story pacing with likable characters so it will prob at least make it past the next cuts.

 

[Kaiten]

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Kawashita's name is enough to get it through the next cuts IMO. Past that, who knows.

 

[Rejuvenation]

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After finishing Ane Doki's first chapter it seems like an alright series. Weird story pacing with likable characters so it will prob at least make it past the next cuts.

Just finished it and I agree with you there. The concept isn't exactly new but the execution was done nicely and the characters are pretty fun.

Although I doubt Kawashita would get cut the first time around anyway.

 

[ZoddGuts]

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Also read the first chapter it was decent first chapter but the concept isn't anything new. Hopefully the manga-ka will thrown a few curve balls to make it interesting.

 

[Lingwe]

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I know it might change, but you know when the impression you get from something is so bad you can't stand anything related to it? The one-shot left such a bad taste in my mouth - or rather, it left no taste at all, which shows how uninteresting it was - I just don't want to see it done again. Not if it's going to be just another waste of space, and it probably is.

As for why I didn't like the one-shot... it seemed like it was using every shonen cliche to irritate me. I felt like there were many ways to do what the author set out to do, yet he chose the least interesting one. Besides, the battle part towards the end was incredibly bland and simplistic, the supposedly funny parts were stupid, the whole "digging for scraps of the once highly-advanced human civilization" thing has been done thousands of times before and in much better ways. Even the art, which could be its only saving grace, is above average at best. The whole thing was like a manual on how you should not write a battle manga for Jump. What a disappointment.

Wow, um...best advice I can give you is not to read the series then.

That said I do get the feeling that Kagijin isn't going to do that well. It's another battle manga in a Jump that is already packed with battle manga. If it doesn't have something to set it apart from the others within the first few chapters then I don't think it will succeed in capturing readers away from the others. Still, it's best to not write a series off completely before the first chapter has even come out.

 

[Kaiten]

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More info on the Jump Super Anime Tour:

The featured shows this year will be: Toriko, highlights from the upcoming One Piece Movie (the first directly supervised by Oda), a Naruto 10th anniversary special, a 10th anniversary special for the Yu - Gi -Oh anime, Reborn, and Tegami Bachi. Probably a "special" episode of the first and an advance screening of episode 1 for the latter, but I can't confirm. Last years episodes were streamed with subtitles on the Jump international portal, each were about 23 min. long, the length of a TV show without commercials. Shueisha posted them from late November to late January.

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

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Even if Psyren were to get an anime next year, I wonder if it would only get a 25 episode one like Neuro. That would be very annoying.

 

[Kaiten]

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Remains to be seen. Hopefully it will be popular enough not to go the Hoshin Engi route. Much as I hate the filler in long series, 25 episode action anime are a drag.