Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Koshi_Inaba]

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Mago is bigger than Sket and only a bit smaller than Toriko, it's very reasonable for it to get an anime in 2010.Even to love and neuro only took two year to got an anime

 

[[Cross]]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Mago is bigger than Sket and only a bit smaller than Toriko, it's very reasonable for it to get an anime in 2010.Even to love and neuro only took two year to got an anime

However, looking at it from an anime point of view, a school life/slice of life series would generally look more profitable than a battle manga, unless your name is bleach/naruto/one piece. However Mago does have a distinct style, so it is rather close. Toriko should be the first in line for an anime, seeing as it received an OVA already. So it's mainly between Sket and Mago (since they'll both at least have Drama CDs out), as it's very unlikely that they will both be picked in the near future. It'll probably be in Fall 2010, Spring seems too early.

 

[Kaiten]

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>.< I don't think tankobon sales have anything to do with exactly what time of year and how close to two years a manga needs to be out for it's anime to start. Really, isn't April and October only six months. Someone at a studio probably isn't using sales as a deciding factor as to something as petty as to weather to start Mago 2 years and 1 months after it's manga debut or 2 years and 7 months. They would be more concerned with if beginning production in time to debut a new series in the spring would interfere with work on another series, if an animation team is ready to begin work, etc. If tankobon sales had anything to do with an anime being licensed small magazine series like K - On! would not be adapted and really big series like Kimi ni Todoke wouldn't go three years without adaption (yes, Kimi is bigger than anything in Jump except the big three and HxH). The studios license series based on what they want to work on and feel is a marketable property, weather the manga itself is popular or not.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

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Mago is bigger than Sket and only a bit smaller than Toriko, it's very reasonable for it to get an anime in 2010.Even to love and neuro only took two year to got an anime

To-Love-Ru was an ecchi series, meaning it had a built in audience already. As for Neuro, it received an anime in October, during a period where there were almost no Jump series available to animate. Mago has come at a point where Jump has actually had some bigger successes. I don't think it will get an anime until 2011.

Mago may be bigger than Sket Dance, but Sket Dance has a few things going for it. It's been running longer (meaning there is more material to animate), and it also is a style of series that tends to be popular in anime.

Toriko is both bigger than Mago, and it's a series with a better chance of being a hit as an anime.

 

[Xadyu]

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Not to forget that Toriko already has an anime special. The last Shueisha series to get an anime special got an anime tv series the next year. (Meaning Letter Bee).

Toriko is most likely the next one to get animated, although my choice goes out to Sket Dance.
Mainly because I want to see things after the scans stopped and since it's a great series with more to animate.

Toriko would get uptodate rather quickly, leading to fillers which will make the anime's quality drop for a lot of people (not me, I don't mind fillers).

They could of course, make smaller seasons. Giving it two 13-ep seasons a year. Or just one 26-ep per year.

Which means the quality will be better too, since ongoing anime's (for example the top three, Gintama, Reborn and such) have lower budgets per episode. And other series have a higher budget making the animation and such better (most of the times).

 

[Koshi_Inaba]

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Reborn, gintama and D.gray anime all debuted at the same year.They all got anime after two years of publication and this is before they become as big as they are right now. Most successful jump series usually took two years to got animated. Even One Piece, Naruto and Bleach wasn't as big as they are now when they are animated. Oh and also, Bleach rating is usually only about 4-5%. It rarely make top ten.
This is Gintama, Reborn and D.Gray's debut date:
Gin:April 4, 2006
Reborn:October 7, 2006
D.Gray:October 3, 2006
They could air Sket Dance first and then air Mago and Toriko with a really close debut dates

 

[Kaiten]

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I'm not understanding this debate?! Most likely Sket Dance, Mago, and Toriko will all have anime next year. The first two have had drama CD's, not a guarantee of an anime, but a crucial first step. Toriko has a pilot. All were timed to preview 2010 anime. Does it really matter which one starts in the spring, which one in the fall? Is there some doubt that one won't get an anime? Or have to wait until 2011? Fill me in, I don't get it.

 

[Koshi_Inaba]

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I'm not understanding this debate?! Most likely Sket Dance, Mago, and Toriko will all have anime next year. The first two have had drama CD's, not a guarantee of an anime, but a crucial first step. Toriko has a pilot. All were timed to preview 2010 anime. Does it really matter which one starts in the spring, which one in the fall? Is there some doubt that one won't get an anime? Or have to wait until 2011? Fill me in, I don't get it.

I have no doubt that all three will have an anime next year. Sket and Toriko's case has been stated. With Mago, seeing how it's at it's biggest arc and the fact that it's popularity right now is at it's highest, next year would be the best time to animated Mago. And that notion about battle manga other than the big three is not successful is very wrong. Kuroshitsuji, Kekkaishi, FMA are all very successful as anime

 

[[Cross]]

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Reborn, gintama and D.gray anime all debuted at the same year.They all got anime after two years of publication and this is before they become as big as they are right now. Most successful jump series usually took two years to got animated. Even One Piece, Naruto and Bleach wasn't as big as they are now when they are animated. Oh and also, Bleach rating is usually only about 4-5%. It rarely make top ten.
This is Gintama, Reborn and D.Gray's debut date:
Gin:April 4, 2006
Reborn:October 7, 2006
D.Gray:October 3, 2006
They could air Sket Dance first and then air Mago and Toriko with a really close debut dates

The mistake you're making is that you're comparing different time periods. Of course that's easier with manga, but with anime it's a whole different ballpark. In 2006-2007, there were way more anime debuting than any other time in the decade and because of recent economic issues and the stabilization of torrenting/fansubbing, anime is much less profitable, so there are less series coming out. So you can't compare anime now to anime in the past, too much has happened to change the whole field. I so think it's unlikely for three Jump series to debut in the same season. It may have passed in 2006-2007, but not anymore. But I agree with Kaiten, when they will come out seems to be up for debate which is ultimately a moot point, because we know that they may all be animated eventually.

And that notion about battle manga other than the big three is not successful is very wrong. Kuroshitsuji, Kekkaishi, FMA are all very successful as anime

That was only in relation to Jump >.>

 

[Koshi_Inaba]

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The mistake you're making is that you're comparing different time periods. Of course that's easier with manga, but with anime it's a whole different ballpark. In 2006-2007, there were way more anime debuting than any other time in the decade and because of recent economic issues and the stabilization of torrenting/fansubbing, anime is much less profitable, so there are less series coming out. Therefore, it's extremely unlikely for three Jump series to debut in the same season. It may have passed in 2006-2007, but not anymore.



That was only in relation to Jump >.>

Reborn, D.Gray and Gintama are all succesful in their own right. Eyeshield 21 anime, despite sucking so much is also successful.Slice of life series are actually not that successful in term of rating compare to battle mangas. Slice of life unless it's a long runner like Doraemon, Sazae-san, Chibi Maruko, are hardly that successful. Anime profits from rating and merchandise, from what i see from rating result and DVD sales, it's actually quite constant. If Mago is to be animated in 2011, it means at that time it will passed 150 chapters, which is very unlikely. Successful battle manga in Jump are usually animated before they reached 100 or reached around 101+, but never that long.

 

[kewl0210]

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Most of those animes started around 125 chapters. If Toriko gets an anime next year it would be around there, too.

And it could have filler arcs, really. And they would fit in fine.
But when a TV anime gets made isn't clear really. Could be a year after next or something, too. But it definitely does well enough to get one.
Mago may, too.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

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Reborn, D.Gray and Gintama are all succesful in their own right. Eyeshield 21 anime, despite sucking so much is also successful.Slice of life series are actually not that successful in term of rating compare to battle mangas. Slice of life unless it's a long runner like Doraemon, Sazae-san, Chibi Maruko, are hardly that successful. Anime profits from rating and merchandise, from what i see from rating result and DVD sales, it's actually quite constant. If Mago is to be animated in 2011, it means at that time it will passed 150 chapters, which is very unlikely. Successful battle manga in Jump are usually animated before they reached 100 or reached around 101+, but never that long.

Anime don't profit from ratings at all. Unlike many other countries, in Japan the studios actually pay the networks to air the shows. Ratings don't affect the actual profit in any way. They tend to result in larger exposure, which correlates with better DVD sales and merchandise sales, but ratings themselves don't result in profit.

Anime studios make the biggest portion of their money from DVD sales (why do you think anime DVDs are so ridiculously overpriced). Merchandise is also a big profit maker, but in the case of a show adapted from a manga, I would guess that the original license holder (in Jump's case, Shueisa) would get the majority of the profit.

Battle manga tend to be very popular and result in lots of toys and video games and the like. While slice of life series aren't as popular with kids, they pander to more of an otaku audience, and generally get better DVD sales. They also sell more in the way of otaku type merchandise (PVC figures and things like that).

As far as your latter point, Naruto took three years to get animated. Would you consider that a 'successful battle manga'? It was closing on 150 chapters when the anime started. Bleach actually took over 3 years (manga started in August of 2001, Anime started in October of 2004).

 

[Kaiten]

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This conversation is veering off topic. Any further comments in regards to how long it takes for a manga to be adapted into an anime will be deleted, no exceptions. If anyone is interested in continuing this conversation, please start a thread in the Otaku Theater. Thread starters are always welcome

 

[Crude]

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So what's Asou's new series about? Idols and toothpaste?

 

[[Cross]]

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It looks a little more like a comedy duo to me, there's the tsukkomi and the boke. Or it could be an idol and his manager.

 

[ruggia]

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To me, it just seemed like a gag manga, but longer.
It's just full of gags and comedy. I'm a bit disappointed by Jump's lineup this year.

 

[StrangerAtaru]

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To me, it just seemed like a gag manga, but longer.
It's just full of gags and comedy. I'm a bit disappointed by Jump's lineup this year.

Unless another series surprises us (or Ane Doki pulls what Hatsukoi did in "it was meant to be short from the start"), the only real guarantee of the year serieswise seems to be Beezlebub (and even that's rather volatile as of late). Kuroko will make a year at this point but it's hard to say if it will survive through 2010 and some of the newer series are still too early to really say...the rest will probably eventually fade away into the annals of history.

 

[ruggia]

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by the way, I was wondering, will Psyren make it through next year?
with the lagging popularity and not-so-good tank sales, I'm pretty skeptical about Psyren surviving 2011, but then, lagging new series could help Psyren live through it..... whats "expert opinion" on this?

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

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Unless another series surprises us (or Ane Doki pulls what Hatsukoi did in "it was meant to be short from the start"), the only real guarantee of the year serieswise seems to be Beezlebub (and even that's rather volatile as of late). Kuroko will make a year at this point but it's hard to say if it will survive through 2010 and some of the newer series are still too early to really say...the rest will probably eventually fade away into the annals of history.

Kuroko's sales increased again with the latest volume, so I don't think it's going anywhere.

I think that those two will be the only real hits from this year, but I can see Ane Doki sticking around for a little while.

 

[y A M A T O]

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by the way, I was wondering, will Psyren make it through next year?
with the lagging popularity and not-so-good tank sales, I'm pretty skeptical about Psyren surviving 2011, but then, lagging new series could help Psyren live through it..... whats "expert opinion" on this?

To me, Psyren got the best developed storyline among all mangas in Jump. It is the one that really surprises me every week, even more than old series like Naruto or One Piece, or new series like Bakuman or Beelzebub. It's a perfect shonen manga:
1) it has its own subject (OP: pirates, Naruto: ninjas, Bleach: shinigamis, Psyren: psychichers, simple and clear. It is not a common school life manga, for example)
2) an original, strong storyline (saving the world through time travels)
3) there is plenty of bad-ass characters (Miroku )
4) it's exciting, the most important point.

Obviously it's my personal point of view, if I were the chief editor I'd treat Psyren like Kuroko!