What difficulty does Dumas pushes Traumerei to?

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

--Dumas is shown to be one of the strongest characters to exist in TOG till now. Arguably strongest po bidau memeber after Gustang himself.

--Baam mentions while Family heads are transcendent , Dumas is very impressive in his own right.

--Imo dumas can push traumerei to mid diff at least.

Thoughts?

 

[Demonspeed]

Nah, Dumas gets squashed like a bug. I would say the same if Traumerei's opponent was Adori, or Enne or even both at the same time. Towerborns are flies compared to the FHs.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Towerborns are flies compared to the FHs.

Luslec isn't.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I say neg diff. By all accounts, he shouldn't be more than fodder IMO.

Baam's comments unironically imply that Dumas is far weaker than the severely nerfed versions of the matured Irregulars. Dumas:

1. Can't be compared to the Data of Adult Zahard, which was stated to be "nothing" compared to the actual Zahard. Baam still isn't strong enough to properly gauge him, while he can gauge Dumas.

2. Can't be compared to the maximum amount of power Baam has seen/felt from Urek, which is 10% (he said he still can't gauge it, much like how he can't gauge the very small fragment of Zahard).

3. Can't be compared to post-power split Traumerei, who Leviathan implies to be nothing more than an empty shell of his former self with basically nothing left.

 

[Demonspeed]

Luslec isn't.

I believe he does get squashed and I don't think he is stronger than the top 2 Princesses TBH. His performance against Urek didn't make me think he could match a FH.

 

[VON]

It’s plainly obvious that the matured irregulars stand on another level compared to towerborne.

Luslec/Adori/Enne probably barely gives a low difficulty fight to any of the 10 Heads.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

--Dumas is shown to be one of the strongest characters to exist in TOG till now. Arguably strongest po bidau memeber after Gustang himself.

--Baam mentions while Family heads are transcendent , Dumas is very impressive in his own right.

--Imo dumas can push traumerei to mid diff at least.

Thoughts?

Proust is stronger than Dumas. Stop overhyping him. He got reverse flow controlled by Traumerei at the start of this arc. The gap is immeasurable.

 

[King Dryst]

Traumerei negs him. Dumas is nothing to a real Irregular.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Jesus. For the love of God, do not compare a tower born to an irregular again.
What can Dumas do against Disconnection? It's Owari da. GG.

 

[King Dryst]

Jesus. For the love of God, do not compare a tower born to an irregular again.
What can Dumas do against Disconnection? It's Owari da. GG.

Unfortunately, Baam's constant presence and frequent poor performance leads to these sorts of misconceptions.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Unfortunately, Baam's constant presence and frequent poor performance leads to these sorts of misconceptions.

Common now? Bam is still a regular climbing the tower. Yes, he's irregular but still a regular. He's still on the 50th floor. The higher he climbs, the denser shinshoo gets, the stronger he becomes. Seeing his feats against dumas (in dumas own words), at least give him some credit?

 

[King Dryst]

Common now? Bam is still a regular climbing the tower. Yes, he's irregular but still a regular. He's still on the 50th floor. The higher he climbs, the denser shinshoo gets, the stronger he becomes. Seeing his feats against dumas (in dumas own words), at least give him some credit?

He's still an Irregular, and his bungling leads people to think that the other Irregulars can do likewise.

There's nothing to acknowledge about what he did against Dumas. He didn't win.

 

[maverickframe_19]

He's still an Irregular, and his bungling leads people to think that the other Irregulars can do likewise.

There's nothing to acknowledge about what he did against Dumas. He didn't win.

That's your personal bias. But fair enough!

 

[kkck]

Traumerei caused lasting damage to dumas while not at full power and while not being too concerned with him. I think bam's comments probably fit with dumas being around 1% of the amount of power traumerei was using at that time which is more than most towerborns can even comprehend.

 

[Pro Factor]

He's still an Irregular, and his bungling leads people to think that the other Irregulars can do likewise.

There's nothing to acknowledge about what he did against Dumas. He didn't win.

What does it matter? 13 Great Warriors would get shit on by someone like Dumas when they were on the 55th floor. Even a fraud like Bam was good enough to take an arm of data Zahard in one ability.

It’s obvious Dumas would die in one second against Traum,doesn’t change the fact that Bam is having several times higher ceiling than Family Heads because they would die as C rank regulars in the fight against Dumas.

 

[Copy Panda]

Traum looks his direction and evaporates him

 

[The Knight of War]

Nah, Dumas gets squashed like a bug. I would say the same if Traumerei's opponent was Adori, or Enne or even both at the same time. Towerborns are flies compared to the FHs.

Very well, then in your opinion why is the rank of both Adori and Enne higher than the rank of Gustang and some leaders?

 

[Demonspeed]

Very well, then in your opinion why is the rank of both Adori and Enne higher than the rank of Gustang and some leaders?

Hype when they were climbing, their feats and the fact that FHs don't care.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Very well, then in your opinion why is the rank of both Adori and Enne higher than the rank of Gustang and some leaders?

Rankings are not solely based on strength and skillset of a fighter. Influence and feats while climbing play a major role in the ranking system. Basically, it's an algorithm based on various factors.
There is no one stronger than the FHs, Jahad and Urek, in the tower.
The reason some of the FHs are down in the ranking is simply because they became inactive overtime. Take Traumerei for example.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Very well, then in your opinion why is the rank of both Adori and Enne higher than the rank of Gustang and some leaders?

SIU's answer when it comes to Enne (last paragraph):