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the cycle of life according to the Elric brothers from FullMetal Alchemist...

“If I died the world would continue to move along as if nothing had happened.”
“Because you’re just a small part of it.”
“When the small part in this case me, dies, the body remains.”
“Water, Carbon, Ammonia, Lime, Phosphorous, Salt, Saltpeter, Sulfur, Magnesium, Fluorine, Iron, and Aluminum right?”
“Right. The body’s only a combination of those simple elements. Nothing more. We’re destined to be decomposed by bacteria, and become nutrients for plants, then you follow the process further, those plants nourish herbivores.”
“And those herbivores nourish carnivores. Even others like us. And even though we lose awareness our lives keep on moving through the system.”
“The great flow that maintains the universe, call it the cycle of life, the course of nature each one of us is just a small part of that part. One in the all. Yet without all the individual ones, the all can’t exist. This world flows by following grander laws that we can’t even imagine. To recognize that flow, to work in it. To decompose, and recreate...
 

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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but...

Your eyes. That's what sees things. The eyes sees, sends signals thorugh the nerve system to the brain, where the "data" is processed making us see. The brain is what makes us who we are, because that's where all our sensations and emotions are, in the end, made. Now, like I said, if there was a soul in there that was capable of experiencing and sensing things, wouldn't it work as a backup if one lost a sense?

What makes us see and feel and smell and touch and all that stuff is the brain. Thus, your brain is you. And if the brain took off, out of our heads and flew into the sky, that might be what I'd consider a way to live on (and we all heard how ridiculous that idea sounded :p). The brain doesn't live on after we die, so I just don't buy it.
lets say you have a telescope through which you can see the sky . now if the telescope breaks down we no longer can see the sky . but who is seeing the sky you or the telescope ? its you .

now is the telescope only a mean which allows you to see the sky or the telescope is seeing the sky ?

concerning the brain no one denies that without brain cells you cant do the thinking but is the brain only a mean for the soul to make contact with the outside world or the brain is the soul ?

the eye recieves light coming from an external source this light becomes electric signals which is transfered to a certain vision point in the brain then these signals through a procedsure the brain does they become an image so what gives the image the brain or the eye . the eye is the link between the brain and the outside world .
no offence but this is science .

the cycle of life according to the Elric brothers from FullMetal Alchemist...

“If I died the world would continue to move along as if nothing had happened.”
“Because you’re just a small part of it.”
“When the small part in this case me, dies, the body remains.”
“Water, Carbon, Ammonia, Lime, Phosphorous, Salt, Saltpeter, Sulfur, Magnesium, Fluorine, Iron, and Aluminum right?”
“Right. The body’s only a combination of those simple elements. Nothing more. We’re destined to be decomposed by bacteria, and become nutrients for plants, then you follow the process further, those plants nourish herbivores.”
“And those herbivores nourish carnivores. Even others like us. And even though we lose awareness our lives keep on moving through the system.”
“The great flow that maintains the universe, call it the cycle of life, the course of nature each one of us is just a small part of that part. One in the all. Yet without all the individual ones, the all can’t exist. This world flows by following grander laws that we can’t even imagine. To recognize that flow, to work in it. To decompose, and recreate...
no offence but dont confuse a manga with the real life because its still someone's creation in which he tries to transfer his beliefs and dont forget that a mangaka is a human who's knowledge isnt perfect and you could actually come up with something better than his .
 
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I don't really get the telescope thing. I can probably still see the sky even if the telescope breaks down, because my eyes still grant me vision. >_>

Actually, reading your post, I'm confused as to what we're really discussing. You're wondering whether the brain is a mean for the soul to make contact with the outside world, or if it is the soul. And I'm of the opinion that there is no such thing as a "soul" in the first place, so..

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the eye recieves light coming from an external source this light becomes electric signals which is transfered to a certain vision point in the brain then these signals through a procedsure the brain does they become an image so what gives the image the brain or the eye . the eye is the link between the brain and the outside world .
no offence but this is science .
Yeah, and that's pretty much what I said. So yeah, at least we agree on that part..

What were we talking about again? :headscratch
 

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I don't really get the telescope thing. I can probably still see the sky even if the telescope breaks down, because my eyes still grant me vision. >_>
not the traditional sky because your eyes cant see the entire outside space .

Actually, reading your post, I'm confused as to what we're really discussing. You're wondering whether the brain is a mean for the soul to make contact with the outside world, or if it is the soul. And I'm of the opinion that there is no such thing as a "soul" in the first place, so..
the question is the basis for philosophy now you can find a logic in my words . just put the brain as the telescope and the person is the soul .


Yeah, and that's pretty much what I said. So yeah, at least we agree on that part..

What were we talking about again? :headscratch
we are discussing the reason why after dead a soul still lives on .
 

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and i forgot to add that you cant talk about death without relating to religion then i believe we arent offtopic .
the other topic became extremely silly i mean people started talking about getting wasted they are not even taking it seriously .
That's not what I meant. What I meant was that if you wanted to further discuss religion, logical thinking and differences etc. you could continue in that thread. I don't believe that you can discuss the possibility of an afterlife without including religion, I just want to keep this discussion strictly about what happens after we die and since it's a broad subject it's easy to drift off topic while discussing.


But don't mind me, please continue!

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the main effects atheism has on an individuel is concern , disorder , confusion , psychological conflict . because inside of everyone there is a persistent instinct , questions , such us why were we created ? who created us ? where are we heading ?

and if the traffic of life may sometimes prevent one from looking thoroughly into the answers and searching for the secret of life and the universe , but very often you find yourself in front of this quesion . sickness , accidents , disasters , losing family or someone very close to you might push you to think of your future and where youre going to end up . and since atheism is an ignorant dogma because it stands for the not existance of god it doesnt give much satisfying answers and it doesnt offer many solutions to get rid of confusion and concern and as a result the secret of life will always stay a confusing mystery .

atheism is always incapable of understanding the reason of this life and this universe and it secures nothing but suppositions and assumptions which neither satisfy you or convince you , and with the frequent persistence of the intinct and these questions one will remain always in agony .

the only logical answer is to pick the safe side chose a relegion which makes up for all this and gives you answers that makes sense and eventually makes you get rid of confusion .( and ofcourse whats better than mine )

im saying this because only the relegion carries the answers to the after life .
 

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I personally believe there is something to the "after life". Even though I don't practice any religion at the moment. There been countless near death experiments or cases where individuals who didn't believe in religion said that they saw something after they were pronounced dead.

Some individuals who came back after being "dead" said that they were able to walk around and hear all the conversations between family members or individuals at the hospitals in their spirit form.
 

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Well the near death experience thing can be explained by science as well. When the brain begins to shut down (usually caused by death :XD), it starts to "trick" itself into thinking something else is happening. Usually, it makes you think good things but it can always make you see bad things as well (heaven, hell). Of course you can chalk these up to actual spiritual phenomenon, but then you have to consider the people who have near-death experiences who don't see heaven or hell but something different all together. Some people see their family or something else that makes them happy, real or not. Most (and I say most because nothing is certain) are simply cause by the brain panicking.
 

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no offence but dont confuse a manga with the real life because its still someone's creation in which he tries to transfer his beliefs and dont forget that a mangaka is a human who's knowledge isnt perfect and you could actually come up with something better than his .
Its ok :) I'm just quoting a conversation from the manga which is similar to food chain. Human is part of the food chain. I'm more into the scientific explanation than on beliefs but I do still respect/observe different views about life & death.
 

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I personally believe there is something to the "after life". Even though I don't practice any religion at the moment. There been countless near death experiments or cases where individuals who didn't believe in religion said that they saw something after they were pronounced dead.

Some individuals who came back after being "dead" said that they were able to walk around and hear all the conversations between family members or individuals at the hospitals in their spirit form.
as drmke said it could be a brain deception but i heared a similar incident here , a woman after being officialy dead she was burried a couple days after they checked her grave to their surprise she was still alive she wanted to talk about what she heared and saw but she cant .

meaning that something is preventing her from exposing these secrets .

Its ok :) I'm just quoting a conversation from the manga which is similar to food chain. Human is part of the food chain. I'm more into the scientific explanation than on beliefs but I do still respect/observe different views about life & death.
human is on top of the food chain everything goes for people's sake . humans were given earth to enjoy the goods in it but in return you have to fulfill the reason of youre creation .

its good to look at it that way i mean its good to try and find defferent views and all that but you'll stay lost you wont know what to choose while time is passing and at a certain point you'll start asking how was my life .

well instead of just wasting time looking for a truth that isnt meant to be known yet look at the big picture .

and if someone is interested i'll be happy to help
 
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im saying this because only the religion carries the answers to the after life .
That is not necessarily true. Religion carries only explanations, and not answers, that doesn't necessarily have to be true. What happens after we die might be something completely different to what any religion practices. We might all become F1 drivers in another planet, who knows?
However, you're right that only religions tells us what will happen, in one way or the other, and atheists doesn't have to be ignorant, they just don't want to believe in something they can't prove.

I know a lot of atheists and they're not disrespectful, but they just don't want to believe something they can't prove, it's for them, a waste of time, while I'm somewhere between a believing Catholic and agnostic. They more or less feel that this life is the only thing we get, no afterlife, so they rather "live it to the fullest, than to follow some rules, go to church, etc, when it's only superstition because when we die, we die, we'll decompose and that's it".
 

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That is not necessarily true. Religion carries only explanations, and not answers, that doesn't necessarily have to be true. What happens after we die might be something completely different to what any religion practices. We might all become F1 drivers in another planet, who knows?
then you are saying that relegion doesnt have crediblity then the prophet is only a lie thus god doesnt exist . then its like you are not believing in history therefore albert einstein and aristotle didnt exist .

but we do agree on one thing christianity is corrupt just like the previous ones . through the course of history many prophets were sent countless times and they had one message there is only one god . the last relegion is islam which says that and also to beleive in every prophet that was mentioned in the quran or the suna .

its in humans nature to deny , people dont want to beleive in something that isnt proved well just start looking at yourself an inteligent creature cant be made randomly by coinsidence


However, you're right that only religions tells us what will happen, in one way or the other, and atheists doesn't have to be ignorant, they just don't want to believe in something they can't prove.

I know a lot of atheists and they're not disrespectful, but they just don't want to believe something they can't prove, it's for them, a waste of time, while I'm somewhere between a believing Catholic and agnostic. They more or less feel that this life is the only thing we get, no afterlife, so they rather "live it to the fullest, than to follow some rules, go to church, etc, when it's only superstition because when we die, we die, we'll decompose and that's it".
how do you define living to the fullest ? you mean sex , alcohol having a good time , you are not gonna stay young forever you have like 20 years approximatly and then you become older sometimes you might see something which turns you upside down and then you start wish you had more time . in short its a nature for you wanting to live longer so you can never satisfy yourself no matter how long you live so there is nothing as living to the fullest in this path of doing whatever you want because eventually you'll end up having regrets .

respectful atheists is no deffirent from a disrespectful one because atheisme in itself is disrespecting the almighty saying that you didnt create me you didnt give me brain nor eyes to see the world you created for me , isnt that disrespectful enough is that how you repay the one who only wants you to respond to him so he can give you what you want .
lot of atheists dont make sense they are trading the mind relief with confusion its like there is two paths one is a long risky and the other is short and safe they chose the first that is stupid .

these are verses translated in english though it may not carry the same impact as in arabic but here we go

[In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

21. Such as fear not the meeting with Us (for Judgment) say: "Why are not the angels sent down to us, or (why) do we not see our Lord?" Indeed they have an arrogant conceit of themselves, and mighty is the insolence of their impiety!

22. The Day they see the angels,- no joy will there be to the sinners that Day: The (angels) will say: "There is a barrier forbidden (to you) altogether!" ]
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[ In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
190. Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs for men of understanding,-

191. Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (With the thought): "Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire. ]
 
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then you are saying that relegion doesnt have crediblity then the prophet is only a lie thus god doesnt exist . then its like you are not believing in history therefore albert einstein and aristotle didnt exist .
Well, you see, the difference here is that we have physical, undisputable evidence that Einstein existed. We even have him on video. Aristotle could be argued that he never existed but his existence is supported through many people writing about hom around the time he was alive. Religious beliefs, almost by definition, can't be proven by physical means, and so there is no way (apart from dying) to know who was right and who was wrong.

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its in humans nature to deny , people dont want to beleive in something that isnt proved well just start looking at yourself an inteligent creature cant be made randomly by coinsidence
Its true that people tend to not believe things without evidence except when its something they have been raised to believe or when they see how strongly others believe it. That's why religion is considered to almost be part of the human condition.

The intelligence thing can actually be perfectly explained through evolution. Other animals have evolved the ability to use tools and even use complex speech patterns to communicate.




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how do you define living to the fullest ? you mean sex , alcohol having a good time , you are not gonna stay young forever you have like 20 years approximatly and then you become older sometimes you might see something which turns you upside down and then you start wish you had more time . in short its a nature for you wanting to live longer so you can never satisfy yourself no matter how long you live so there is nothing as living to the fullest in this path of doing whatever you want because eventually you'll end up having regrets .
Living to the fullest is different from person to person. Basically, its whatever at the end of the day you can say you're proud you did. For some, thats's living their life according to religious teaches; others may be just simply being kind to others.

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respectful atheists is no deffirent from a disrespectful one because atheisme in itself is disrespecting the almighty saying that you didnt create me you didnt give me brain nor eyes to see the world you created for me , isnt that disrespectful enough is that how you repay the one who only wants you to respond to him so he can give you what you want .
lot of atheists dont make sense they are trading the mind relief with confusion its like there is two paths one is a long risky and the other is short and safe they chose the first that is stupid .
While I understand how someone being Atheist could be seen as disrespectful to someone religious, you must also understand how beingeligious could be considered disrepectful to an Atheist. They may see it as being disrepectful that thinl they are going to suffer fore enternity because they don't believe the same as you or because they were born into a different situation.
 

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then you are saying that relegion doesnt have crediblity then the prophet is only a lie thus god doesnt exist . then its like you are not believing in history therefore albert einstein and aristotle didnt exist .
Saying that it isn't credible isn't the same thing as saying it's a lie. And I believe in history, but you can't seriously compare one of the holy evangelises in the New Testament and the work of Albert Einstein because there are tons of different factors playing a part of the making.

its in humans nature to deny , people dont want to beleive in something that isnt proved well just start looking at yourself an inteligent creature cant be made randomly by coinsidence
Of course, because they don't feel it's necessary to believe something that might be wrong, people want to be right, and without proof, it might be wrong.


how do you define living to the fullest ? you mean sex , alcohol having a good time , you are not gonna stay young forever you have like 20 years approximatly and then you become older sometimes you might see something which turns you upside down and then you start wish you had more time . in short its a nature for you wanting to live longer so you can never satisfy yourself no matter how long you live so there is nothing as living to the fullest in this path of doing whatever you want because eventually you'll end up having regrets .
First and foremost, my friends told me that, and I don't know their definition and living to the fullest doesn't necessarily mean sex and alcohol, basically, living life to the fullest in my opinion is living without caring too much about other peoples opinions and to do what you want, not to think of the consequences all the time.

respectful atheists is no deffirent from a disrespectful one because atheisme in itself is disrespecting the almighty saying that you didnt create me you didnt give me brain nor eyes to see the world you created for me , isnt that disrespectful enough is that how you repay the one who only wants you to respond to him so he can give you what you want .
lot of atheists dont make sense they are trading the mind relief with confusion its like there is two paths one is a long risky and the other is short and safe they chose the first that is stupid .
No. It's not even close to the same thing. A disrespectful atheist thinks like this "There's no god, and you're a stupid fuck for believing so. You must be stupid thinking that something like that exists lol gtfo".
A respectful atheist thinks like this "I do not believe in a god, but if you do, it's up to you to believe what you want and you might as well be right, what do I know?"

And your arguments are very biased because when discussing if it's disrespectful or not you should look from a neutral perspective because being religious is disrespectful towards atheists, just as Drmke pointed out.

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Blai said:
I know a lot of atheists and they're not disrespectful, but they just don't want to believe something they can't prove, it's for them, a waste of time, while I'm somewhere between a believing Catholic and agnostic. They more or less feel that this life is the only thing we get, no afterlife, so they rather "live it to the fullest, than to follow some rules, go to church, etc, when it's only superstition because when we die, we die, we'll decompose and that's it".
Nailed it.

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human is on top of the food chain everything goes for people's sake . humans were given earth to enjoy the goods in it but in return you have to fulfill the reason of youre creation .
So you think the earth was created for humans to enjoy? In my opinion we're just another species on this planet who happened to evolve into the most intelligent species (and some even argue against that), and while we are indeed on top of the food chain, we still weren't placed on this earth as the superior species. What you said pretty much just sounds like a reason to justify the terrible way we're treating the earth's animals, forcing hundreds of them extinct ever year. I'm not saying you're trying to justify such a cause, but going around thinking we're the reason Earth was created is likely to point one in that direction.

Sorry, getting somewhat off topic..

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respectful atheists is no deffirent from a disrespectful one because atheisme in itself is disrespecting the almighty saying that you didnt create me you didnt give me brain nor eyes to see the world you created for me , isnt that disrespectful enough is that how you repay the one who only wants you to respond to him so he can give you what you want .
lot of atheists dont make sense they are trading the mind relief with confusion its like there is two paths one is a long risky and the other is short and safe they chose the first that is stupid .
Aight, this doesn't even make sense. I'm being disrespectful to you for not believing in something you can't prove? Then you're just as disrespectful to atheists for completely disregarding their thoughts and ideas of life. I'm not being disrespectful to "the almighty", I simply don't believe there is such a higher power, and I don't think I can be dissing something I don't even reckon exists.

I don't mind you believing in some sort of God. Heck, I can't prove I'm right about there not being one, so why should you not be allowed to think that way? However, when you call me disrespectful for not sharing your belief, telling me I'm wrong even though you can't prove otherwise, that's when you become the disrespectful one.

EDIT: Blai kinda beat me to it. I'm a slow typer. :darn Still stands, though.
 

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Well, you see, the difference here is that we have physical, undisputable evidence that Einstein existed. We even have him on video. Aristotle could be argued that he never existed but his existence is supported through many people writing about hom around the time he was alive. Religious beliefs, almost by definition, can't be proven by physical means, and so there is no way (apart from dying) to know who was right and who was wrong..
i beilieve that aristotle existed we have his work but aristotle existed before birth of jesus while aristotle believed that god existed through his theory even though people at some point didnt admit his beliefs because he shows no signs of prophecy he is just another human while prophets carry evidences miracles convincing enough but every religion defys human nature which is" i want to do what i want " ofcourse there will be distortions .
that only proves that the prophets existed .
now if you are convinced with something that is common sense you will just take it as granted and you might transfer it to others who will do the same .
just look at muslims we are humans we have a mind why do we not come with stuff like you guys given there is a billion muslim . you cant defy something thats been approved by a mass majority for 14 century .
because islam is convincing enough its granted unquestionable .
and if there was something we hear of it as there bad guys there are good ones who will try to uncover the truth .

Its true that people tend to not believe things without evidence except when its something they have been raised to believe or when they see how strongly others believe it. That's why religion is considered to almost be part of the human condition.

The intelligence thing can actually be perfectly explained through evolution. Other animals have evolved the ability to use tools and even use complex speech patterns to communicate.

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if you say there is physical evolution how come we dont physically evolve after all this time . the mind evolves simply because as knowlege enlarges it requires mind to adapt with it and its called learning we dont evolve we learn .

many believers in evoltion mainly sientists admited that its wrong simply because studies shows that the evidence is that some species were found which genuinly matchs the current species .
besides each creature has its specified structure you cant say a bird evolved to a reptile because it doesnt make sense .

Saying that it isn't credible isn't the same thing as saying it's a lie. And I believe in history, but you can't seriously compare one of the holy evangelises in the New Testament and the work of Albert Einstein because there are tons of different factors playing a part of the making.
a human is a human unless you were granted access to a minimum of some upper knowledge and prophets carry that i believe that enstein talked about relegion and science and their integration .
einstein's mind isnt the best now one of you guys could come up with something better .
prophets are on a whole different league because they had revelation from god who created us in all this who knows everything .

to me aristotle or anybody else cant come close to prophets but god granted those people like aristotle a mind to think about and intelligence and you know what they discoverd thanks to their minds ? that god exists .
and their knowledge contributed into our evolution .

Of course, because they don't feel it's necessary to believe something that might be wrong, people want to be right, and without proof, it might be wrong..
my friend the truth or at least a guide wont come to you while you are sitting and drinking alcohol not even awake to use your brain to just search for it you cant say something is wrong and not look for a solution because its math you know an exercise is complicated you cant solve it does that mean it has no answer no it simlpy means you have to make an effort to find it .
but just sitting around saying i dont believe in that end of story because then your pleasing only yourself but instinct pushing to the truth will never rest and there comes the question who created us ?


First and foremost, my friends told me that, and I don't know their definition and living to the fullest doesn't necessarily mean sex and alcohol, basically, living life to the fullest in my opinion is living without caring too much about other peoples opinions and to do what you want, not to think of the consequences all the time..
living to the fullest means to do whatever it takes to find satisfaction aka known happiness it happens that it crosses with our instincts .
and also we are stupid to follow ourselves and not our mind because whatever satisfies you will have a cost either on your time or you health .



No. It's not even close to the same thing. A disrespectful atheist thinks like this "There's no god, and you're a stupid fuck for believing so. You must be stupid thinking that something like that exists lol gtfo".
A respectful atheist thinks like this "I do not believe in a god, but if you do, it's up to you to believe what you want and you might as well be right, what do I know?"

And your arguments are very biased because when discussing if it's disrespectful or not you should look from a neutral perspective because being religious is disrespectful towards atheists, just as Drmke pointed out.

-Blai
atheism is oriented in a one dirrection opposing relegion ( islam) so who should feel offended us or them .
again atheisme brings nothing but the opposite of relief its hard its confusing its bad .

Nailed it.



So you think the earth was created for humans to enjoy? In my opinion we're just another species on this planet who happened to evolve into the most intelligent species (and some even argue against that), and while we are indeed on top of the food chain, we still weren't placed on this earth as the superior species. What you said pretty much just sounds like a reason to justify the terrible way we're treating the earth's animals, forcing hundreds of them extinct ever year. I'm not saying you're trying to justify such a cause, but going around thinking we're the reason Earth was created is likely to point one in that direction. .
treating the earth animals means only one thing evil yes the earth is ours how do you justify nutrition .
god never said to abuse animals its the problem with us we are bad .




Aight, this doesn't even make sense. I'm being disrespectful to you for not believing in something you can't prove? Then you're just as disrespectful to atheists for completely disregarding their thoughts and ideas of life. I'm not being disrespectful to "the almighty", I simply don't believe there is such a higher power, and I don't think I can be dissing something I don't even reckon exists..
atheisem is ungratefull and selfish . you say there is no god meaning i can do whatever i want in this life meaning there is nobody to judge thus if you kill somebody you wont go to hell if you kill thousands of people you think going to prison is enough taking his life is enough no . by doing that you committed a crime you abused someones freedom of life . who gave you the right to do that .
for all the palestinians who is gonna stand up for them no one . innocent people die every they and people get away with it do you think its fair .
you wont revenge on those guys but then again law forbidds you from doing that because you have no proof .
the day we stand before the almighty we become even and then judgement is brought .


I don't mind you believing in some sort of God. Heck, I can't prove I'm right about there not being one, so why should you not be allowed to think that way? However, when you call me disrespectful for not sharing your belief, telling me I'm wrong even though you can't prove otherwise, that's when you become the disrespectful one.

EDIT: Blai kinda beat me to it. I'm a slow typer. :darn Still stands, though.
i explained that and i told you should just try islam as some people try buddhism once you get into islam you can never walk away simlply because it brings you happiness .
when we talk about relegion doesnt mean that human activities should comlpetly stop because it defies our nature .

[In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

21. Such as fear not the meeting with Us (for Judgment) say: "Why are not the angels sent down to us, or (why) do we not see our Lord?" Indeed they have an arrogant conceit of themselves, and mighty is the insolence of their impiety!

22. The Day they see the angels,- no joy will there be to the sinners that Day: The (angels) will say: "There is a barrier forbidden (to you) altogether!" ]
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[ In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
190. Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs for men of understanding,-

191. Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (With the thought): "Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire. ]
anybody interested in these words ? what do you guys think about it ?
or could anybody have enough knowledge to to say something like this ?
its the reveletion of god its the holy quran its the only credible book on earth its protected from the hands of humans .
 
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as drmke said it could be a brain deception but i heared a similar incident here , a woman after being officialy dead she was burried a couple days after they checked her grave to their surprise she was still alive she wanted to talk about what she heared and saw but she cant .

meaning that something is preventing her from exposing these secrets .
That is really interesting... whatever happened to the lady?
 

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what happend to her she lived . but she cant talk about her experience not even a word . ofcourse if that happend to anybody they'd sure want to talk about it . see the point ?

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

[78. And he makes comparisons for Us, and forgets his own (origin and) Creation: He says, "Who can give life to (dry) bones and decomposed ones (at that)?"

79. Say, "He will give them life Who created them for the first time! for He is Well-versed in every kind of creation!-

80. "The same Who produces for you fire out of the green tree, when behold! ye kindle therewith (your own fires)!

81. "Is not He Who created the heavens and the earth able to create the like thereof?" - Yea, indeed! for He is the Creator Supreme, of skill and knowledge (infinite)!

82. Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is!

83. So glory to Him in Whose hands is the dominion of all things: and to Him will ye be all brought back. ](QURAN 36:78_81)

see the speech in these verses when idolaters of Makkah objected to the possibility of life after death quran here reveals the weakness of their rational thinking while supporting their idea .
 

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Ah I see thanks for the info mate. Hope that lady can lead a peaceful life.
 

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Ah I see thanks for the info mate. Hope that lady can lead a peaceful life.
ofcourse she will but only if what she saw is good which means she was good but i a horrified face comes due to seeing horrors which means she was no good .
simply the unseen is far beyond imagination my friend its not to be revealed yet for us who could simply die from thirst .

no offence but i sensed sarcasm in your sentence plzz im here glad to read what you would write and dont you think this topic deserves more than one sentence .
 
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