Life What happens when you die?

[Nami]

Hahaha...Yes, I believe you'll go to heaven since you are a wonderful and nice person

As for me, I believe that when me dies, i'll just disintegrate and decompose and become new soil for the new generation.
I just can't imagine what i can do in heaven or hell, unless there's plenty of manga, anime, or bishies or babes or just anything fascinating like magical creatures etc. to entertain me

 

[erikrhys]

I'll go to heaven.

Someone's a LITTLE full of themself ^-^ jk

 

[Babii-Boo]

Someone's a LITTLE full of themself ^-^ jk

Leen probably will ^^
Did you see his/her siggy?


For those who believe that we'll go to Heaven or Hell when we die - I have a question ^^.
See, I was taught in school that God will judge us on Judgment Day, to decide whether we'll go to Heaven or Hell. But what if we die before Judgment day? What happens then?! O.o?! Will we still be judged?!

 

[amar_kun]

For those who believe that we'll go to Heaven or Hell when we die - I have a question ^^.
See, I was taught in school that God will judge us on Judgment Day, to decide whether we'll go to Heaven or Hell. But what if we die before Judgment day? What happens then?! O.o?! Will we still be judged?!

Babii-Boo, i will try to answer your question according to what my faith has told me. ok, in the first place, lets define Judgement Day. actually a lot of people got it mix up with the End of days.

End of Days are the day where God will crush all his creation, all people dies, angel, satan, animals dies and planets and stars crubled and the world come to an end. We, muslim call this day as 'Al-Qiyamah'.

Judgement day is the day where all human will be raised up from dead. We muslim call this day 'Al-Akhirah' (the dayafter). We will assembled on a place called Mahsyar. Everyone will be very worried about their own deeds on this world while waiting for their turns. Then the judgement started with all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Judah, Mohammed.. (there's a lot of them..) after that the judgement for the followers of the Prophets began.. and then its the judgements for the unbelievers..

so back to your question.. it seems that all people will be dead before the judgement starts.. then every people will be raised up again and assemble in the mahsyar to wait for their turns to be judge in the court of Lord.

i hope this answers your query

 

[Babii-Boo]

^^ Thanks a lot amar_kun~!
That did help me understand a lot more about Judgment Day and how people / people from the dead will be judged.
Thanks again! ^^

 

[erikrhys]

^
there is a group of radical christians that are trying to bring judgement day to come sooner. they polute and such which is creepy. I have no links, sorry.

 

[amar_kun]

whoa.. they pollute the earth? hmm.. that is not nice.. the greenpeace must be very angry of them since they work up their arse day and night to keep the world clean..

by the way, i hope the end of days wont be anytime sooner.. i still have lots stuff to do..

i remembered a sayings of prophet (which the companions memorized and kept it in a book called Al Hadith) Muhammed p.b.u.h concerning the end of days.

i memorized the saying in arabic, but i forgot the translation in english.. it's ok, i will try cut and paste it here.

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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial] Also on the authority of Omar (this is a companion of Prophet), who said :

[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial]One day while we were sitting with the messenger of Allah there appeared before us a man whose clothes were exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black; no signs of journeying were to be seen on him and none of us knew him. He walked up and sat down by the prophet. Resting his knees against his and placing the palms of his hands on his thighs, he said:"O Muhammed, tell me about Islam". The messenger of Allah said: "Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the zakat, to fast in Ramadhan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so." He said:"You have spoken rightly", and we were amazed at him asking him and saying that he had spoken rightly. He said: "Then tell me about eman."He said:"It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and to believe in divine destiny, both the good and the evil thereof." He said:"You have spoken rightly". He said: " Then tell me about ehsan." He said: "It is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him, and while you see Him not yet truly He sees you". He said: "Then tell me about the Hour". He said: "The one questioned about it knows no better than the questioner." He said: "Then tell me about its signs." He said: "That the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress and that you will see the barefooted, naked, destitute herdsman competing in constructing lofty buildings." Then he took himself off and I stayed for a time. Then he said: "O Omar, do you know who the questioner was?" I said: "Allah and His messenger know best". He said: "He was Jebreel (Gabriel), who came to you to teach you your religion."

Narrated by Muslim (this is an islamic scholar who search all of prophet sayings and kept it in a book)
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the Hour which is asked by Gabriel means 'the end of days'. he asked prophet about the time for the world ended and the prophet replied neither the two of them knows the exact time. only God knows about it. however he did mention some of the signs of end of days.

slave girl give birth to mistress means : a mother will gave birth to ungrateful daughter (or son). they will direspect their parents and does not care for them when they get old. actually there is quite a lot of cases nowadays where children show lack of respect to their parents and treating them like slave.

herdsman competing to build lofty building : the scholars interpreted this as they will be people of no manner (like herdsman) but with money will compete with each other to build skyscrappers.

sorry if the reply is too long and bulky.. i tried my best to compress it.

 

[miyi]

I'm an agnostic existentialist. Therefore, when I die, I believe I'll remain unconscious forever, except my body will remain on Earth.

 

[erikrhys]

What exactally is an Existentialist?

 

[amar_kun]

What exactally is an Existentialist?

yeah.. what is and existentialist? i tried to google it and searched it in wiki, but i'm afraid there isnt so much article on existentialist (fooh.. so hard spell).

 

[rabb]

*reads all that on judgment day and end of days* ok, so on judgment day, im gunna be on my porch with an M-16 blasting everything that moves. i hate zombies, and i live real close to a huge graveyard. I've been told that judgment day is a good thing, and that we will see all those that have died... but "hell will boil over with too many damned souls, and the dead shall walk the earth" (paraphrased, since i don't have it memorized) sounds way too close to a horror movie to me.

 

[amar_kun]

your kind of judgement day kinda freak me as well

 

[PaperYomiko]

rabb...that is the funniest thing I've read in a while I'm going to have to show it to my brother...if that's how judgement day's going to turn out, he'll be right next to you with a bazooka and a flamethrower

but anyway, seriously... I'm not really sure what I think happens when we die. For me, the important thing is what happens during life. I'm going to make the most of what I have now, live in a way that brings me happiness and inner peace, and hopefully brings happiness and peace to others, and whenever it's time for me to die, I just hope I'll be able to face it without regret or fear. It is, after all, a part of a natural cycle that happens to all living things, and just because something is unknown, doesn't mean it should be feared.

whoa, ok, that may have sounded really cheesy, sorry. but I'm kind of a cheesy person, so...oh well.

And about existentialism, because I don't think it's been answered yet... it's a philosophy (think Nietzsche) that emphasizes the existence of the individual as a free agent, determining their own futures by free will. Basically, the opposite of believing in fate or a 'higher plan'. Jean-Paul Sartre's Les Jeux Sont Faits is a classic existentialist novel (I'm not sure of the English title), if you're interested in it

 

[miyi]

What exactally is an Existentialist?

PaperYomiko is right, and although I haven't read any of Nietzsche or Sartre yet, I've been influenced by Albert Camus and Samuel Beckett, both who have slightly different views of existentialism.

In sum, this is how I interpret "agnostic" existentialism, and keep in mind there's multiple variations of this philosophy...

We humans, are on our own. Whether God exists or not, is not within our grasp to "know", therefore we should focus on the life on earth, and not think about an "afterlife" that may or may not exist.

Death is based on "chance". Anyone of us can die at any moment.

We can live good lives, or bad lives, but we will still die at any moment, based on "chance". Some good people die when they don't deserve it, and likewise, some bad people die when they do deserve it. In other words, death is "arbitrary".

On morality, an existentialist has a choice: you can do whatever you want, as long as you don't harm others (i.e. golden rule).

Otherwise, we all should be held accountable for any wrongdoings.

According to Albert Camus, the biggest "sin" to an existentialist is "not living". In simplest terms, to "live" is to live life according to how you envision it. We must create our own "life's meaning".

The biggest "sin", he says, is to "not live". For example, if you are unhappily working in your tiny cubicle of an office, then you're not living. Also, if you commit suicide, that is "not living" in the ultimate sense.

Likewise, you cannot kill others, because just as it is wrong to take your own life, it is wrong to take others. Some, but not all, like Albert Camus, is against the death penalty. Even when in prison, and you may think that your life is over, you must still continue to "live".

According to Samuel Beckett, life is "meaningless". There's no point, but we can't help the fact that we exist on earth, even if it's for a brief moment.

Also, we have each other. Make friends with other humans, it will help ease the anxiety of death. We will become less alienated, we will be able to "cope" with the "meaninglessness" or "absurdities" of life.

"Agnostic" is someone who is not entirely sure if God exists, and assumes that we lack information and knowledge about him.

Moreover, as an "agnostic existentialist", my interpretation and position is that when I die, physically, my body is still on earth, however, I will be unconsious forever.

Assuming God exists, I believe he created us, and then afterwards, is apathetic, or not "caring" about what happens to us, so that we are pretty much on our own.

 

[erikrhys]

i read in a history book once, that there is a religion where when you die, you appear before a stream. from one side of the stream to the other, there are rocks that can be used as stepping stones. And you have to jump from one to the other. And the further you go, the larger the distance between the rocks. You are weighed down by your sins and wherever you fall in the water, from being weighed down from sins, is what you are re-incarnated into. If you get to the other side, then you are supposed to reach nirvana.......but i honestally cant remember what religion it was that said this Y-Y

 

[PaperYomiko]

erikryhys - that sounds like a Buddhist allegory of the cycle of rebirth. Though it's not really about your 'sins', so much as your virtuous actions - good karma - versus non-virtuous actions - bad karma. Using your allegory, your bad karma weighs you down and results in you being reborn in a lower realm of being. Good karma allows for rebirth in higher realms - human or god - and also brings happiness in the present. Nirvana, or liberation, from the cycle of rebirth and suffering is what the Buddhist is trying to attain, in general.

(that may not be entirely correct, I'm no expert...I just read a lot )

 

[NRZero]

What happens when you die....? I dunno, I don't think I would be able to respond if I did. Anybody can say whatever they like about the subject but until it actually happens they'll never know. I am not a religious person at all, so my answer to that question would be that your body will cease to function and you will no longer exists.

 

[nabil]

Are not agnostic still rely towards God but doesnt believe in any religion?

 

[Lohnt]

Existentialism isn't so simple as to say "to not live is a sin" Soren Kierkegaard believed death should be accepted, and is a normative state of being. To commit suicide is actually an end to the sickness of life; then again he was very religious and believed in the afterlife.

But anyway...

I really hope some form of reincarnation exists, not in the traditional Buddhist sense, but at the very least in some form. I guess you continue living through your children in this way, but I just believe since we are alive and seperate from the rocks and water, there must be some kind of mineral/energy etc that is passed into the ground/water/etc when our bodies decompose and are reabsorbed by the earth, and that thing is reabsorbed by humans when they at vegetables, mushrooms, drink water etc. I dunno, maybe it's just wishful thinking, I guess I'm just a romantic in hoping that the phrase "maybe in another life" exists. Because that phrase justifies the mistakes of the past, which tend to burden use the rest of our lives.

 

[miyi]

Existentialism isn't so simple as to say "to not live is a sin" Soren Kierkegaard believed death should be accepted, and is a normative state of being. To commit suicide is actually an end to the sickness of life; then again he was very religious and believed in the afterlife.

To quote myself:

In sum, this is how I interpret "agnostic" existentialism, and keep in mind there's multiple variations of this philosophy...

my interpretation is based on two influences: Albert Camus and Samuel Beckett.

Like you said, existentialism isn't that simple, and there are so many different versions of it.

Are not agnostic still rely towards God but doesnt believe in any religion?

agnostic simply means, in a general sense, that the truth, i.e. God, afterlife, etc., is not "knowable". In other words, there is no way for us, humans, to understand the full scope of "truth". Agnostics might think that God, for example, exists, but nothing is for certain.

You can be an agnostic, but still believe in a religion. For example, you can be an agnostic Christian. Basically, you still practice Christianity, although you're a little bit skeptical than a normal Christian.

Or, you can be an agnostic atheist, where you don't practice any religion, but at the same time, you're not completely dismissing any religion as impossible.