Question What is Enryu?

[Shinwonryu]

True, so him being the only resident of the final floor and being taught by the gods who were originally worshipped in the tower makes a lot more sense to me. Since this tower is OG's dominion, him interfering and transforming him into an ascended soul or angel, granting him the admin killing ability, makes much more sense to me in the grand scheme of things. This would also explain his mastery of shinshoo inside the tower. If you follow my reasoning, he could be explained as the god of red witches as well. Maybe he's the original guide of the tower who can show the way out of the tower. Maybe that was also one of his purposes. But we'll see in due time.

Enryu is definitely related to the red witches.

Characters in ToG who speak in prophecy and in terms of fate:

-Red Witches
-Zahard
-Zahard’s clone (?)
-Arlene Grace
-Enryu

Do all these characters have a relation with the Outside God?

Could the OG have control over fate within his domain? And that’s where the eye symbols come from?

 

[seNzor1337]

the second floor admin is kind of rogue in a way. seems to me most tower admins sway towards zahard, but headon and second floor admin contrive to overturn and fulfill the prophecy of baam cutring the throat of the greedy king. headon is known go be actively looking for enryu but what for i am not sure

so yeah, this adds to the theme of The Tower of Betrayal.

Edit: well then I guess headon doesn't mean ill towards Enryu since lhe has been shown to be aiding Baam. So there's also that

 

[Strange]

Enryu is definitely related to the red witches.

Characters in ToG who speak in prophecy and in terms of fate:

-Red Witches
-Zahard
-Zahard’s clone (?)
-Arlene Grace
-Enryu

Do all these characters have a relation with the Outside God?

Could the OG have control over fate within his domain? And that’s where the eye symbols come from?

Fate control and seeing ability comes from the tower it is stated by hwaruyin


Hwaryun stated that without an Administrator present, guides like her are unable to perceive fate.

so she is incapable to do anything and ability comes from the tower not from the outside god, without admins the whole tower is a ruined place

even zahards ability comes from the tower as he is incapable to see anyones fate outside of the tower

whole Abilities whatever they are trying to use it all comes from the tower literally and seeing prophecy doesn't mean it will happen 100% it can be changed depending on the irregulars , even khel hellam survived zahard yet zahard literally had seen whole thing how'd it go

so prophecy or whatver it will not go as it was planned cuz there are many ways and all ways don't lead to the same path

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I really want to consider man, but you need to make abstract, introduction, methodology, results, discussion, and conclusion parts into your manuscript.

You want but you dont LoL

but still okay i will respect your choice

 

[arrowofsky]

Fate control and seeing ability comes from the tower it is stated by hwaruyin


Hwaryun stated that without an Administrator present, guides like her are unable to perceive fate.

so she is incapable to do anything and ability comes from the tower not from the outside god, without admins the whole tower is a ruined place

even zahards ability comes from the tower as he is incapable to see anyones fate outside of the tower

whole Abilities whatever they are trying to use it all comes from the tower literally and seeing prophecy doesn't mean it will happen 100% it can be changed depending on the irregulars , even khel hellam survived zahard yet zahard literally had seen whole thing how'd it go

so prophecy or whatver it will not go as it was planned cuz there are many ways and all ways don't lead to the same path

Enryu fought and killed an admin. That meant to me it may also provide guides to see fate or guide them, since his control of shinsoo is even better than admins anyway, so don't forget this. Though, that is only reserved for him though, and because of thorn. Then, one needs to know where he got it and why OG cares. Maybe OG, Enryu, and Workshop at the outside are deeply related.
The rest is just slave of the system to be honest. Shinies were impressive, especially with Mago's own power source of hope-despair transformation, but she was terribly bested.

You want but you dont LoL
but still okay i will respect your choice

I read things all day, but they are all well structured. I can genuinely read your long posts if there is a structure in it

 

[Lonatian]

Enryu is definitely related to the red witches.

The Red Witch is more connected to Arlene than to Enryu.
I've mentioned this before. The Red Witch's pilgrimage site is FoD. All the Red Witches I've seen so far have worked for FUG. (The Silver Dwarves work for the Empire).

The only one connected to Enryu's power so far is Hockney and his eyes. But the problem is that even though Hockney can see Urek's future, he can't see Zahard's future (even if it's just data). Basically, this isn't strong enough to surpass the Administrator's contract.

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I find Urek's statement that there's no heaven or angels in this tower rather unbelievable. I think he's referring to all of them in general.
Urek doesn't know much about the tower. He was even surprised to see a talking penguin.

Also, based on the webtoon's translation, it could be interpreted differently. The webtoon doesn't translate it as "heaven," but as "sky."

So perhaps Urek meant that the tower had no sky, therefore no heaven or angels.

 

[Shinwonryu]

The Red Witch is more connected to Arlene than to Enryu.
I've mentioned this before. The Red Witch's pilgrimage site is FoD. All the Red Witches I've seen so far have worked for FUG. (The Silver Dwarves work for the Empire).

Red Witches work for FUG, who are dedicated to Arlene.

Enryu’s massacre was dedicated to Arlene.

Both appeared in the same arc, and both have red hair and (according to the wiki) red eyes.

The only one connected to Enryu's power so far is Hockney and his eyes. But the problem is that even though Hockney can see Urek's future, he can't see Zahard's future (even if it's just data). Basically, this isn't strong enough to surpass the Administrator's contract.

This actually gives a lot more credibility to my theory that Zahard has used the Tower to defy the Outside God.

 

[Lonatian]

Red Witches work for FUG, who are dedicated to Arlene.

Enryu’s massacre was dedicated to Arlene.

Both appeared in the same arc, and both have red hair and (according to the wiki) red eyes.

What I mean is that the Red Witch existed during Arlene's time. That is, before Enryu entered the tower.
Enryu entering the tower, or being connected to Arlene, must have happened after Arlene left the tower.

 

[maverickframe_19]

This actually gives a lot more credibility to my theory that Zahard has used the Tower to defy the Outside God.

I do not see it that way, but if that is the case, it explains why Urek has not challenged or killed Zahard. Fuck that; I'm not interested in Zahard noise.

 

[arrowofsky]

What I mean is that the Red Witch existed during Arlene's time. That is, before Enryu entered the tower.
Enryu entering the tower, or being connected to Arlene, must have happened after Arlene left the tower.

Timeline is critical here, it is unbelievable to see above-admin Shinsoo control in Enryu's first entry, primarily because of this many of us hypothesizes he might have been in ToG before, too.
Arlene knowing to go pray OG is another piece of the puzzle.

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I do not see it that way, but if that is the case, it explains why Urek has not challenged or killed Zahard. Fuck that; I'm not interested in Zahard noise.

I don't see a reason to glaze Urek that much.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think I posted this before. But I'll do it again. This should be a good reminder to some of you regarding certain things.

Fate control and seeing ability comes from the tower it is stated by hwaruyin


Hwaryun stated that without an Administrator present, guides like her are unable to perceive fate.

so she is incapable to do anything and ability comes from the tower not from the outside god, without admins the whole tower is a ruined place

even zahards ability comes from the tower as he is incapable to see anyones fate outside of the tower

whole Abilities whatever they are trying to use it all comes from the tower literally and seeing prophecy doesn't mean it will happen 100% it can be changed depending on the irregulars , even khel hellam survived zahard yet zahard literally had seen whole thing how'd it go

so prophecy or whatver it will not go as it was planned cuz there are many ways and all ways don't lead to the same path

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You want but you dont LoL

but still okay i will respect your choice

Does it matter if the ability is from the Tower or not?

Red Witches's ability and the fate seeing ability don't work the same way.

Hwa Ryun can even be countered by Emily. We don't know the limits of Zahard's ability but he is not planning to leave anytime soon.

Surely some kind of foresight ability exists outside. We saw a Gui

I find it slightly similar to darkness creating phanta and losing control. The only difference is that Urek was not created by darkness, but Arlene went praying for OG directly so there is an organic connection.

Darkness never had control in the first place. Phanta was its subordinate. Then he became apparently too powerful. He becoming an Axis

The Red Witch is more connected to Arlene than to Enryu.
I've mentioned this before. The Red Witch's pilgrimage site is FoD. All the Red Witches I've seen so far have worked for FUG. (The Silver Dwarves work for the Empire).

The only one connected to Enryu's power so far is Hockney and his eyes. But the problem is that even though Hockney can see Urek's future, he can't see Zahard's future (even if it's just data). Basically, this isn't strong enough to surpass the Administrator's contract.

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I find Urek's statement that there's no heaven or angels in this tower rather unbelievable. I think he's referring to all of them in general.
Urek doesn't know much about the tower. He was even surprised to see a talking penguin.

Also, based on the webtoon's translation, it could be interpreted differently. The webtoon doesn't translate it as "heaven," but as "sky."

So perhaps Urek meant that the tower had no sky, therefore no heaven or angels.

How is Enryu even connected to Arlen? I feel like people are romanticizing too much things about him. He came there and did what he had to do because his boss, the OG(supposedly) ordered him to. I think Enryu might be at the origin of the Red Witch.

Did Hockney ever say anything about being unable to see Zahard's future? He became so irrelevant I frankly don't remember that. Not that it matters much anyway because the mechanics aren't clear and there are different foresight abilities. Seeing Enryu granted new abilities to some people and Desah was one of them.

Baam can be seen by Hockney and Hwa Ryun but not by So-Oh. It mostly seems to be a matter of ability, skill etc.

 

[arrowofsky]

I think I posted this before. But I'll do it again. This should be a good reminder to some of you regarding certain things.

What did we read in 652 chapters if this is legit canon still? While we had a lot of discussions about the practicality in "how many chapters left in ToG" thread, it will be impossible to tie ToG to these old TUS things gradually. As a result, all characters with lots of screen times will become utterly meaningless with a sudden TUS relevance. SIU would rather forget about all these imo, if he has not done so already.

Darkness never had control in the first place. Phanta was its subordinate. Then he became apparently too powerful. He becoming an Axis

Exactly.

 

[Demonspeed]

What did we read in 652 chapters if this is legit canon still? While we had a lot of discussions about the practicality in "how many chapters left in ToG" thread, it will be impossible to tie ToG to these old TUS things gradually. As a result, all characters with lots of screen times will become utterly meaningless with a sudden TUS relevance. SIU would rather forget about all these imo, if he has not done so already.


Exactly.

We can't tie absolutely everything. But blog posts have been relevant in most, if not all theories and plenty of things still fit. SIU didn't give Phanta the title of King of Jewels for nothing.

ToG itself is a very small part of whatever is in SIU's mind. It's more like science-fiction stuff overall. It's impossible for a creator who thought about all of this to abandon all his ideas.

 

[arrowofsky]

We can't tie absolutely everything. But blog posts have been relevant in most, if not all theories and plenty of things still fit. SIU didn't give Phanta the title of King of Jewels for nothing.

ToG itself is a very small part of whatever is in SIU's mind. It's more like science-fiction stuff overall. It's impossible for a creator who thought about all of this to abandon all his ideas.

Just nerf Phanta to 1.5x Enryu levels and I am fine with every other stuff. I know the entire idea, even in Türkiye there are authors that create a universe first, then fills it with chapters, but suddenly they also realize that so much foci was allocated to universe-wise negligible chars, hence, they start to trim things out. We have gone chapters for chapters even for LPB Haratcha.
The presence of Phantaminium who can just erase ToG for good with a flick of his hand, and also even supposed fact that he can ascend floor 135 (or beyond) in those blog posts, make it meaningless to read the story. At least we should have a hope of having something in Zahard that will prevent whimsical erasure of this beautiful story against Phantaminium.
Will his axis status gone when you broke all jewels? That may make it really really fun to read.

 

[Lonatian]

How is Enryu even connected to Arlen? I feel like people are romanticizing too much things about him. He came there and did what he had to do because his boss, the OG(supposedly) ordered him to. I think Enryu might be at the origin of the Red Witch.

Because the prophecy in Arlene's pocket spoke of Enryu—God's messenger. Arlene knew this before Enryu arrived.

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Did Hockney ever say anything about being unable to see Zahard's future?

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Besides Baam, Hockney could also see the future of another irregular, Urek, with no problems.
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In fact, Hockney's eyes immediately started hurting the moment he met Zahard.

 

[arrowofsky]

Because the prophecy in Arlene's pocket spoke of Enryu—God's messenger. Arlene knew this before Enryu arrived.

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Besides Baam, Hockney could also see the future of another irregular, Urek, with no problems.
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In fact, Hockney's eyes immediately started hurting the moment he met Zahard.

A quick question: Can that mean Enryu's power can't work against Zahard properly even if he killed an admin, so that he left the thorn to Baam?

 

[Lonatian]

A quick question: Can that mean Enryu's power can't work against Zahard properly even if he killed an admin, so that he left the thorn to Baam?

It's true that I'm supporting the theory that Phanta and Enryu couldn't kill Zahard in a normal way.

But in this case, I think it might be because Hockney is a towerborn; he couldn't break Zahard's contract. If that ability were given to Baam, an irregular, then maybe it could.

 

[Strange]

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It's true that I'm supporting the theory that Phanta and Enryu couldn't kill Zahard in a normal way.

But in this case, I think it might be because Hockney is a towerborn; he couldn't break Zahard's contract. If that ability were given to Baam, an irregular, then maybe it could.

literally you are overestimating zahard too too mcuh , if zhaard was so untouchable he shoupd have go outside and you will see how puppefidied fodder he'd be , conqueror kign was killed the strongest of axis yet some zhaard cannot be killed ?


hoaqin is a towerborn nothing else and if he cannot see the future it doesnt mean no one can see


if enryu irregulsr couldnt kill zahard so you really think some fodder baam will do ? when according to you guys enryu doesnt even need a thorn to co trol shinsoo LoL


you all are hitting your own foots literally and overestimating zahard

eneryu neither penta could ? really ? how do you even get there ? enryu didnt visit tower to kill zahard he had a mission

enryu agve ability to towerborns to see future

yet he himself was unable ? but baam fodder will be ? literally ? i thought outside god was creator of the tower ? yet now he doesnt have ability to kill zahard ? but baam does ?


listen to yourselves men

Zahard is covered by tower and kings contract doesnt allow regulars to do anything to him otherwise take that and you will see who real zahard is LoL


and in the end ask yourselves why the hell zahard hid himself into the red garbage ? if he was so powerful? yeah i am so powerful and lemme hid into red garbage hell yeah


powerful men dont hide look at penta look at enryu look at mazino

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Surely some kind of foresight ability exists outside. We saw a Gui

Sure sure


but that guide has nothing to do with tower

that guide may have shining powrr unlike tower and unlike zahard so we cannot compare them to each other outsiders have real power not some fake shinso abilities and

 

[Lonatian]

Can't read, that's too long.

 

[Demonspeed]

Just nerf Phanta to 1.5x Enryu levels and I am fine with every other stuff. I know the entire idea, even in Türkiye there are authors that create a universe first, then fills it with chapters, but suddenly they also realize that so much foci was allocated to universe-wise negligible chars, hence, they start to trim things out. We have gone chapters for chapters even for LPB Haratcha.
The presence of Phantaminium who can just erase ToG for good with a flick of his hand, and also even supposed fact that he can ascend floor 135 (or beyond) in those blog posts, make it meaningless to read the story. At least we should have a hope of having something in Zahard that will prevent whimsical erasure of this beautiful story against Phantaminium.
Will his axis status gone when you broke all jewels? That may make it really really fun to read.

It's not possible. Because Enryu is the OG's servant while Phanta is an Axis. Which means that Phanta is much stronger than Enryu, just like the latter is much stronger than the Admins, who are also much stronger than the GWs, who are much stronger than Towerborns etc. Even in the ToG-verse only there are huge power gaps.

SIU brought stuff back and mentioned that Urek and Phanta have history for the very first time in an official chapter. In ToG, the characters don't even know what an Axis is.

We know now for sure that Earth exists, we have the "King" titles for Axis, new type of abilities etc.

Because the prophecy in Arlene's pocket spoke of Enryu—God's messenger. Arlene knew this before Enryu arrived.

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Besides Baam, Hockney could also see the future of another irregular, Urek, with no problems.
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In fact, Hockney's eyes immediately started hurting the moment he met Zahard.

Arlen reading a prophecy still doesn't make her close to Enryu. Who did what he did because he was ordered to. Considering the fact that some people got special abilties by simply looking at Enryu and what the Red Witches do. I think there is a solid chance that they are linked.

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It's true that I'm supporting the theory that Phanta and Enryu couldn't kill Zahard in a normal way.

But in this case, I think it might be because Hockney is a towerborn; he couldn't break Zahard's contract. If that ability were given to Baam, an irregular, then maybe it could.

What?

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Sure sure


but that guide has nothing to do with tower

that guide may have shining powrr unlike tower and unlike zahard so we cannot compare them to each other outsiders have real power not some fake shinso abilities and

There are only 7 Shinies in this world, she can't have such powers. Obviously other kind of supernatural exists outside.

I'll also remind that the first beings in the Tower weren't even Humans. But robots and plants.

 

[Lonatian]

Arlen reading a prophecy still doesn't make her close to Enryu. Who did what he did because he was ordered to. Considering the fact that some people got special abilties by simply looking at Enryu and what the Red Witches do. I think there is a solid chance that they are linked.

The Red Witches have a similar role to the Silver Dwarves. Their abilities come from the tower, and they are more like guides than seers of the future or fate.
The only three I remember who could see the future were Zahard, Hockney, and Khel Hellam.

I don't think Arlene has the ability to see fate. I'm not sure why she knows it, but the prophecy was given after she pleaded with OG.

To say that Enryu and Arlene had absolutely no connection is a bit hard to believe.
Garam said that Enryu appeared at FoD because he couldn't forgive Zahard for defiling the land of Arlene.
Of course, it's possible that Garam just believed it and it's not necessarily true.