Discussion What stops pirates from reaching raftel?

[kkck]

Hi everyone

Recently I have been thinking(as probably anyone else who reads the manga) about what is it that makes raftel so unreachable to the point where only the roger pirates were able to get there. We know the GL is dangerous and the scene of uroge reaching the thunder bathed island shows just how much more dangerous the NW is compared to the GL.

Another thing would be this part.
http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/576/#13

Roger offers to explain to WB how to get to raftel. I always found that rather strange. Even assuming this translation is a bit of, why would WB need to be told how to get there? I think this could signify a number of thing:
1.- The lock post is useless at the very end of the GL. Logically the lock post should always point towards the next island and at some point that island should be raftel. In that sense, locating raftel in itself should not actually be hard if the island does indeed have a magnetic field. It is possible raftel is the sole island in the grand line that lacks a magnetic field which would explain why it is so unreachable. The problem with this theory is that if no one has made it there other than roger then there should be no reason to assume it exists.

2.- Maybe the weather conditions on the way to raftel made the ocean utterly impossible to navigate for 99.99% of the crews in the world. The GL already has shown to be less than hospitable and as one advances the conditions become harsher. Is it possible the way to raftel is so absurdly dangerous and so horrible chaotic that even when there are many successful NW pirates and 4 yonkou (one of them showed no interest in raftel and another one is supposed to already have been there) non of them have gotten there before?

SO what do you think? The way there is certainly dangerous but just that would not quite fully explain why people don't get there. I doubt the yonkou make it a point to not let anyone advance through the NW. Or perhaps they do but full control of such a chaotic sea would be unlikely. I just can't imagine what exactly makes raftel so unreachable to the point where the next person who gets there will automatically become the pirate king.

 

[Bhoot]

Uhm maybe Raftel is like the village on top of a turtle thingy . Now reaching it is impossible coz 0 mag field and in middle of sea . So u cant actually g to Raftel , u have to bring it to u . Since Rojer could hear sounds of things , he knew what exactly to do da.

 

[Ace4]

Yes this is a thing I didn't really understand, especially since at least Shanks and Buggy were there already...

Maybe the yonkou stay in a certain area so they can protect their territories and kill everybody else. This might be a reason no one can advance. Maybe at some point the lock post let's you go in circles so you have to find it some other way like you explained.

 

[Bowser]

What about Poneglyphs? You have to follow your way to Raftel? Doesn't seem too likely but it wouldn't be a bad idea in a way.

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Maybe the yonkou stay in a certain area so they can protect their territories and kill everybody else. This might be a reason no one can advance

Nah dont think so,Why would the yonkou need to "guard"their territories?They are the pirates who rule the NW.In some part of the anime,i think one of the characters said that the yonkou are locked in "stale mate"idk the actual spelling.Meaning either of the yonkou wouldnt let another yonkou progress further into the NW towards Raftel.

 

[hy4k]

my understanding is that finding one piece requires complete dominance over the grand line. the yonkou have an eighth of the grandline each.

 

[kkck]

I am not sure what that means.... Besides, regardless of the meaning of that then luffy stands no chance whatsoever of getting to raftel in that scenario. Luffy already stated he did not want to dominate the GL or anything of the sort but rather he wanted to be the freest man alive and dominating or conquering the GL would be against that.

 

[hy4k]

The pirate king is, in Luffy's own words the "king of the sea". Luffy might not want to "dominate" the seas same as gold roger didn't want to. But he does want complete freedom within them and like roger he'll have to conquer the grand line to achieve that.

As for reaching Raftel, there is some reason that no-one can get there. The yonkou are apparently closest to this goal, but they're stuck due to the presence of other yonkou, the shichibukai and the marines.

I don't know how and why they're stuck, I don't know why they cant progress any further. The only thing i know is that the only man that conquered the grand line was the one who found one piece.

 

[Fox666]

Not even Whitebeard could figure it out alone. So it probably has something to do with weather or route. Or it could be something more deep, like that moving skyisland that Nami stayed for 2 years.

Either way, I doubt the Yonkou are stopping each other, since Whitebeard and Shanks came to Marineford...

 

[Dekker]

Not even Whitebeard could figure it out alone. So it probably has something to do with weather or route. Or it could be something more deep, like that moving skyisland that Nami stayed for 2 years.

Either way, I doubt the Yonkou are stopping each other, since Whitebeard and Shanks came to Marineford...

I don't know who it was but Shanks or Whitebeared (I think it was Shanks...) had a battle with Kaidou before Shanks and Whitebeared had their talk. And the fight was also caused because Whitebeared wanted to head to the summit.

About conquering the grand line. I don`t think we should understand this conquering as a way to controll the islands afterwards. The meaning should rather be, that you are able to withstand all troubles that can come at you in the grand line and that you can freely move around there. That would at least make sense acording to reaching reach Raftel. It could simply mean, if you have problems in the grand line, don't even bother trying.

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

Not even Whitebeard could figure it out alone. So it probably has something to do with weather or route. Or it could be something more deep, like that moving skyisland that Nami stayed for 2 years.

Either way, I doubt the Yonkou are stopping each other, since Whitebeard and Shanks came to Marineford...

If you read the manga,the part where Shanks arrived at marineford.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-49859-2/one-piece/chapter-580.html
Kaidou tried to stop shanks from heading to marineford.Idk the reaon but im guessing Kaidou wants WB dead too.

 

[Dekker]

And also, Whitebeared was not interessted in going to Raftel. Saying he was not able to figure out is not right in that sense.

 

[Geez]

I posted somewhere an idea for Raftel but then i noticed this thread !

I have read somewhere that Oda built the name Loguetown from "prologue" and "epilogue". We can assume it's about Roger... A same place, two different times : a start and an end (which created another start ). What if Oda cooked the same thing for Raftel ?
I always thought that Raftel was a place that contained the ruins of the old kingdom, the one that fell during the void century. Maybe an intact city. And, like Atlantis, which technology was also hyper advanced, the city have been hidden in a precise purpose, becoming a place normally impossible to reach.
Besides, since a few weeks, some people began to speak about Davy Jones because of the data book and it made me think about Pirates of Caribbean (ok it MAY not be the best reference here... lol). In the movie, they went to the end of the world to find Davy Jones' locker and in order to get outta there, they had to flip their boat upside down.

Two ideas crossed my mind :
1- the end of the world in One Piece would be in fact the same place that starts it : Reverse Mountain. This idea reminds a lot the "loguetown thing" Oda thought about.
2- If Raftel is there, it has to be under it and upside down. The gravity issue explains why Reverse Mountain is like this. It also implies that Raftel is not on Grand Line, and thus explains the magnetic field problem.

Edit: Since i posted it, i thought about it and added 2 ideas :

1- For me, the void century is a war that occurred between the fallen kingdom and another one (or a coalition) now represented by Marijoa. That's why, the better place to hide the old Nobles enemies' city is there, at the opposite of the world.

2- Now it may look stupid but in every Pirate story, there is a treasure. To reach this treasure, there is most of the time a treasure map with a beautiful " X" on it. I wondered whether we saw it in One Piece, in any kind of situation and there I found it ! The four canals that "push" water from Reverse Mountain form a big giant "X". It might be a coincidence... an artful coincidence


To answer the question, i think it is a route issue !

 

[Fox666]

If you read the manga,the part where Shanks arrived at marineford.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-49859-2/one-piece/chapter-580.html
Kaidou tried to stop shanks from heading to marineford.Idk the reaon but im guessing Kaidou wants WB dead too.

That is not exactly what happened. Before the war it was explained that Kaidou tried to stop Whitebeard, thus Shanks intervention against Kaidou, allowing Whitebeard to proceed.

About conquering the grand line. I don`t think we should understand this conquering as a way to controll the islands afterwards. The meaning should rather be, that you are able to withstand all troubles that can come at you in the grand line and that you can freely move around there. That would at least make sense acording to reaching reach Raftel. It could simply mean, if you have problems in the grand line, don't even bother trying.

You are absolutely right. Roger did not want responsabilities, as he told Shiki when he proposed to rule the world using the ancient weapons.

 

[Smit]

I think like some people here that Raftel has no magnetic field so you cant get there by means of log pose. And the key to finding raftel is hidden away in the poneglyphs.
So the the strawhats need robin to read the poneglyphs and nami to map the location on her world map. And its probably on the ocean floor in a cave. That ocean floor happens to be all blue. Its all connected

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

That is not exactly what happened. Before the war it was explained that Kaidou tried to stop Whitebeard, thus Shanks intervention against Kaidou, allowing Whitebeard to proceed.

kk my bad.But why would kaidou want to stop WB?

 

[Bhoot]

uhm What if Raftel is the land that had that too advanced tech and was destroyed??

I mean that would make sense . Maybe the tech on the island prevents is from being tracked down / seen / maybe even originated the Devil Fruits . Or something like that

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Geez
I like your theory. I think it's one of the most plausible.
I do think that it's more the problem of the route, than any other problem. It's true that WB didn't have intention to get to Raftel, though he might have known about the route from Roger. I think the same is with Shanks. But I think that other Yonkous don't know the route, thus they can't get their and claim the title.
And also I think that finding the route yourself without any help should be connected with reading poneglifes and maybe something else, that's why only Strawhats will reach Raftel.

 

[starkaos]

Not all pirates want to become the Pirate King or find One Piece. I doubt Shanks is looking for One Piece since a) He is letting Luffy find it and b) It is not much of an adventure to find something you have already seen.

 

[Baron Vorg]

so, the enemy of SHP for go to Raftel is Yonkou (except Shanks) afterall?

I want ask something.. Do you think Isn't All blue lie in Raftel too?