When Did Luffy Learn Gear Second?

[Crenzel]

I gotta say, after reading this heated debate, all the evidence shown doesn’t point to a certain conclusion. It can be argued either way in my opinion.

My view on this is that it was developed before the Blueno fight simply because the gear 3 thing is so hard to argue against. Sure it’s possible to develop both gear 2 and gear 3 at that moment (though highly unlikely) but Luffy’s attitude after he hits Blueno with the Jet Bazooka is like he had already developed and had experience with gear 3. I can’t remember if the Blueno fight was before or after he took down that huge door with gear 3 when Chimney and the cat/bunny was following him but either that or Luffy’s attitude suggests that gear 3 was known before the Blueno fight. So because of that, I don’t think gear 2 was created right then and there.

I’m going to assume that Luffy learned how to use soru from watching Blueno in this fight and not from any prior meetings with Blueno (I don’t want to try to find out if he saw Blueno using it before this). As bittman has said, there is no relation between the learning of soru and the creation of gear 2. They are completely different techniques but synergize perfectly with each other. Razh has already said that “it's easilly possible that he devised Gear 2nd before, and had faster attacks, but just couldn't move at the speed of soru.” and I agree with this. If he had gear 2 before the Blueno fight, perhaps he didn’t use it because even with the speed enhancement of gear 2, he could not keep up with the speed of soru. Maybe Luffy couldn’t move so fast that he “disappears” with just gear 2. Once he learned how to move that fast, he could implement his blood pumping, nutrient increasing gear 2 and couple it with his newly acquired soru (or soru inspired speed increase) to catch Blueno.

I know there are holes with the above explanations as there are with other people’s arguments but it seems plausible to me. If you can pick out the holes then I'll revise my opinion. Though I can’t give a definite answer as to when gear 2 was created, I do agree with Razh regarding the time frame of when gear 2 (the act of muscle contraction to increase bloodflow throughout the body carrying oxygen and other nutrients to body parts faster (not the fast movement)) itself was developed. If I want to get technical, gear 2 is a state and that state wasn't created during the fight with Blueno. I’d say it was between the Aokiji fight and W7 and that he learned how to best use it when he learned how soru was done by watching Blueno.

 

[BlackHair]

About Gear 2, like Jammin explained, I think its pretty much clear when it was developed.

• Luffy saw how CP9 fights and moves on W7
• We know Luffy had a new technique in mind while riding on puffing tom
• Luffy is glad that he met CP9
• Blueo confirms that Luffy know how to use Soru
• 
  [*]Through increasing the blood pressure, Luffys physical ability increases - he don't need to hit 10 times before moving.

There are several hints which leads to only one conclusion. After watching CP9 on W7, Luffy got a idea for increasing his fighting ability. He then performed it with success on Enis Lobby. So far my viewpoint for Gear 2. If anybody else has a second logical explanation for this, I rly would like to hear it or if there should be any mistakes in my viewpoint, plz let me know.

Gear 3 though isn't as much explained like Gear 2. Luffy already had that while fighting Blueno on Enis Lobby. Thus I believe he enveloped it with Gear 2 between W7 and Enis Lobby.

One Piece is unique, without training arcs. Don't think Oda will draw Luffy practising or sitting on table to come up with ideas. That didn't happened so far and probably won't.

 

[Jammin]

I don't underestimate Luffy. I consider it an insult when someone says that to me.

It's a shame you have to take it so personally. It isn't meant as an insult. You just think Luffy isn't capable of something that i think he is capable of. That's all.

And Jammin, neither of us presented some evidence. Only facts that we have can be interpreted in 2 ways.

Quoting manga pages is presenting evidence. Explaining why i think those pages support my a opinion is the foundation of debate. Which is exactly what i have done.

You don't have to agree with me, ignore me if you like it's just a forum, but if you are going to tell me my viewpoint is wrong and yours is right you can't expect to change my mind without first presenting the facts that make you think what you do and explain how you see them. Otherwise it's very hard for me to grasp your viewpoint. Which, believe it or not, i would like to do.

Their is no need for all this debate to get so heated. We are talking about something that doesn't even really matter to the manga.

 

[Razh]

About Gear 2, like Jammin explained, I think its pretty much clear when it was developed.

He explained his viewpoint, and it's easy to understand. But not everyone agrees because there is more than one way to look at things.

[*]Luffy saw how CP9 fights and moves on W7

That's true.

[*]We know Luffy had a new technique in mind while riding on puffing tom

Just because he never mentioned it before, doesn't mean he wasn't able to use it then. Sanji and Zoro never mentioned their new techniques. Doesn't mean that they came up with them on the spot.

[*]Luffy is glad that he met CP9

Yes, because thanks to them he learned about Soru. Just like he says. Nothing more.

[*]Blueo confirms that Luffy know how to use Soru

Yes, Blueno confirms it, and says that Luffy's body is strong enough thanks to Gear 2 to withstand the technique without any trouble.

[*]
[*]Through increasing the blood pressure, Luffys physical ability increases - he don't need to hit 10 times before moving.

Now where do you get this from. It's clearly stated that Soru is used by kicking the ground real fast, and Luffy says that he noticed it. If he noticed it and knew how to use it, than what's the point in creating an alternate way of doing it.
Increasing the blood pressure doesn't dismiss kicking the ground, because that's the way Soru is used. Maybe with Gear 2, since he is stronger, he needs to kick the ground less times than Blueno for example, but that's it.
There isn't any single indication that Luffy uses Soru in a different way than the rest of CP9.

There are several hints which leads to only one conclusion. After watching CP9 on W7, Luffy got a idea for increasing his fighting ability. He then performed it with success on Enis Lobby. So far my viewpoint for Gear 2. If anybody else has a second logical explanation for this, I rly would like to hear it or if there should be any mistakes in my viewpoint, plz let me know.

Thing is, Luffy only assimilated Soru. Why didn't he assimilate Geppou, Tekkai, Rankyaku or Shigan.
Seriously, if he's able to learn such techniques on a train ride of couple of hours, than he would have no trouble learning all of those techniques without a lot of trouble.

Gear 3 though isn't as much explained like Gear 2. Luffy already had that while fighting Blueno on Enis Lobby. Thus I believe he enveloped it with Gear 2 between W7 and Enis Lobby.

Of course, he developed both Gears on the Rocketman, just because he saw some new techniques. He figured he was goofing off most of the time, so he used his brain a little. Luffy is actually a medical genius.

One Piece is unique, without training arcs. Don't think Oda will draw Luffy practising or sitting on table to come up with ideas. That didn't happened so far and probably won't.

Sure. I just don't get it why the idea of Luffy coming up with Gears between Aokiji and Water 7 is so hard to consider.
Only indication you have is Soru, which is just a movement technique, and doesn't speed up kicks and punches.

 

[Crenzel]

I totally agree with the last thing Razh said.

Only indication you have is Soru, which is just a movement technique, and doesn't speed up kicks and punches.

To me, Jammin's arguments point to the conclusion that gear 2 was a result of learning soru. If you read my previous post I explained why they aren't related at all.

The logic behind Soru is that the CP9 members rapidly kick the ground to increasing blood flow to their legs making them go faster.

I don't really agree with this. I'm certain that soru is a propelling manoeuvre as a result of the rapid kicks and not using the kicks to generate blood flow. Though illogical, this is a manga so the rapid kicks to the ground are so fast that it's as if they were one big kick that has the force to propel them forward at insane speeds. This is soru.

Gear 2 is a state of being. It is a state where Luffy has increased metabolism due to the increased speed of blood flow which provides oxygen and nutrients to various parts of his body making his body movements faster and stronger.

Referring back to the original topic question: When did Luffy learn gear second?
NOT when did Luffy learn to use gear second effectively with soru or some other version of soru that only gear 2 can achieve.

It is then entirely possible and highly probable that Luffy learned gear second before he even saw soru. Once he saw soru, he developed his gear further by incorporating it.

Furthermore, I have yet to see an explanation for why he already had gear 3 ready after he apparently came up with gear 2 on the spot other than coming up with gear 3 immediately after gear 2 in that fight.

 

[BlackHair]

Rash I believe you are doing a mistake, those hints which I listed earlier are like puzzle pieces which you have to join together to come up with a theory basing on facts (complete puzzle). There is no point in reading those hints separately. Just join them and Im pretty sure you will come up with the same conclusion as we did.

But not everyone agrees because there is more than one way to look at things.

Just because he never mentioned it before, doesn't mean he wasn't able to use it then. Sanji and Zoro never mentioned their new techniques. Doesn't mean that they came up with them on the spot.

About which way are u talking about? That he came up with the techniques any time between AoKij and Enis Lobby? Luffy only wanted to get stronger after AoKiji, since he wanted to protect his nakama. There are no hints proving that he did learned Gear 2 after meeting AoKiji.

Gear 2 is based on speed, which Luffy only could have come up after seeing how CP9 moves. That is way he mentioned in the train that he posses a new technique.

I have to agree with you on Zoro and Sanji, there ain't no proofs saying when they mastered their new techniques. Though I believe similar with Luffy after their first encounter with CP9.

Now where do you get this from. It's clearly stated that Soru is used by kicking the ground real fast, and Luffy says that he noticed it. If he noticed it and knew how to use it, than what's the point in creating an alternate way of doing it.
Increasing the blood pressure doesn't dismiss kicking the ground, because that's the way Soru is used. Maybe with Gear 2, since he is stronger, he needs to kick the ground less times than Blueno for example, but that's it.
There isn't any single indication that Luffy uses Soru in a different way than the rest of CP9.

Thing is, Luffy only assimilated Soru. Why didn't he assimilate Geppou, Tekkai, Rankyaku or Shigan.
Seriously, if he's able to learn such techniques on a train ride of couple of hours, than he would have no trouble learning all of those techniques without a lot of trouble

Only indication you have is Soru, which is just a movement technique, and doesn't speed up kicks and punches.

Gear 2 is based on speed. Luffy only mentioned that he noticed how they move. By using his doping technique he expanding his physical abilities, like Lucci said. That's probably the reason why he don't have to hit the ground 10 times to accelerate.

If u look at Luffys body, not only his feet are turning red/pink rather his whole body is. Basically he has his speed also in his arms and other part of his body. And that's the difference between them. While CP9 uses Soru to only move fast, Luffy uses them also to punch fast. We are only talking about speed. Bluene only said he mastered Soru, there was no talk about Rokishi (spelling?). So he can't preform the other skills or he would have mastered Rokishi, which was never said in the manga, nor did we.

Of course, he developed both Gears on the Rocketman, just because he saw some new techniques. He figured he was goofing off most of the time, so he used his brain a little. Luffy is actually a medical genius.

Sure. I just don't get it why the idea of Luffy coming up with Gears between Aokiji and Water 7 is so hard to consider

U just contradicted urself .

Anyway Luffy mentioned he has a new move on the way to W7 and we know Gear 2 is based on Soru. Its not like we can't consider him learning after AoKiji, its just impossible by the given hints in the manga.

Like Jammin already asked a few times, if u are convinced by ur theory then plz proof it with facts by manga scans, like we do. There is no point in saying our viewpoint is wrong if u can't explain urs. I rly would like to hear it but unfortunately I can't find any facts supporting ur viewpoint. Maybe I overlooked sth.. so plz feel free to post urs.

Since Jammin and Crenzel used the words "heated debate", I would like to explain that Im not from a environment where English is spoken. I learned it mostly myself, so I not rly good with English words. If by any chance my posts sounded impolite or offending, I would like to apologize, wasn't my intention at all.

 

[Crenzel]

Sure it's a heated debate, but there's no hatred or anything. Just a very passionate discussion. At least that's how I see it. There's no offense intended in these discussions, of course.

Anyway, please read my post above yours then tell me if you still think gear 2 is based on soru. That alone should sway either side's decision on the final conclusion. If gear 2 is based on soru then it must have been created during the fight with blueno. But if they're unrelated like I think, then gear 2 could have been created before that fight.

I re-emphasize the fact that gear 2 is a state of being.

 

[Jammin]

I read your post again very carefully Crenzel and i get what your saying but there are two points that i would like to make.

Point 1) On Gear Second being a quick movement based on kicking the ground.

The problems that i have with this theory are rooted in *this scene.*. Notice that Luffy says they were kicking the ground "before" they moved. I've looked at several translations and all of them have "before" in there. Since they were rapidly kicking the ground and then moving afterward, the blood flow theory is the only theory that i've heard that really fits.

Since we know from Lucci's explanation of Gear Second that in the One Piece world increased blood flow can "increase a persons physical abilities beyond their limits". And we know that Luffy learned something from watching CP9's Soru. I think things fall into place rather perfectly with the blood flow theory.

Point 2) On when Luffy learned Gear Second

Luffy saw the CP9 people use Soru at Water 7. Then on his way to Enis Lobby, after that encounter he says *he has a new attack he want to "try out".*

Since Gear Second and Gear Third were the only new attacks he tried after that point it's logically sound to assume he was talking about at least one of them. That is the first point in the manga time line where he talks about those techniques. The are not referenced or suggested to exist before that point. Though it is never clearly stated exactly when Luffy created it.

My Theory) This is my complete theory of what happened when Luffy learned "Gear Second".
I felt the need to restate it in a clearer fashion so if someone feels they can disprove it will be easier for them to criticize it accurately.

*) Luffy see's CP9 use "Soru" in Water 7. To his credit, he not only figures out how they were doing it, but he figures out the principals and learns that you can move faster by speeding up blood flow.

*) At some point between the the end of the Water 7 fight and the Rocketman trip. Luffy comes up with a theory about to do that himself (Gear Second), and not just in his legs. A way to speed up his whole body punches and all.

*) While he was thinking of internal manipulations of his body he also thought up "Gear Third". A way for him to gain the attack power of a giant.(No real evidence for this point because almost nothing is known about Gear Third.)

*) Luffy first breaks out Gear Second against Blueno. (I don't think he had ever used it prior to then, there was no reason for him to.) A reckless and bold move, as expected from Luffy.

My conclusion:
As far as i can tell there are no holes in this theory. Though it is not conclusively proven. It makes everything fit. That only major valid criticism that i have heard so far is Luffy isn't brilliant enough to learn to techniques that quickly.

My answer to this is "He isn't really making them up from scratch his is imitating things he saw and understood." Carefully testing and training a technique isn't Luffy's style. Luffy has never been shown training in the entire manga so you can imagine my skepticism to the idea that we should assume that's how he developed the Gears.

 

[BlackHair]

My view on this is that it was developed before the Blueno fight simply because the gear 3 thing is so hard to argue against. Sure it’s possible to develop both gear 2 and gear 3 at that moment (though highly unlikely) but Luffy’s attitude after he hits Blueno with the Jet Bazooka is like he had already developed and had experience with gear 3. I can’t remember if the Blueno fight was before or after he took down that huge door with gear 3 when Chimney and the cat/bunny was following him but either that or Luffy’s attitude suggests that gear 3 was known before the Blueno fight. So because of that, I don’t think gear 2 was created right then and there.

• Luffy had no experiences with Gears, he performed it for the first time at Enis Lobby, again its OP, there was never any kind of trainings chapter. I base this on Luffys comment, that he has a new move to test while riding on puffing tom to Enis Lobby. And on the fact that Gear 2 is based on Soru (speed)
• Luffy first defeated Blueno and was about to go Gear 3, but wasn't necessary any more, since Blueno collapsed. Later he used Gear 3 to destroy that gate.

I’m going to assume that Luffy learned how to use soru from watching Blueno in this fight and not from any prior meetings with Blueno (I don’t want to try to find out if he saw Blueno using it before this).

That is definitely wrong. He watched it from the first encounter with CP9, not only Blueno alone. Then while riding on the sea train he points out, that he has a new technique which he wants to test.

I guess u mixed the time line.

Anyway, please read my post above yours then tell me if you still think gear 2 is based on soru. That alone should sway either side's decision on the final conclusion. If gear 2 is based on soru then it must have been created during the fight with blueno. But if they're unrelated like I think, then gear 2 could have been created before that fight.

I re-emphasize the fact that gear 2 is a state of being

I agree with u to a certain extent. Gear 2 is a state of being. The difference between Gear 2 and normal Luffy is that Luffy posses in Gear 2 way more speed. In Gear 2 Luffy didn't used any new attacks, he used the ones which he always does.

Soru, the moving technique of CP9 is speed. Luffy pointed out that he saw how they moved and he even thanked them (well not rly but he was glad that he met them). That indicates that Soru was his trigger for Gear 2.

Gear 2 is basically like normal Luffy (Gear 1 xD) only with fukking more speed.

Plz read this hints. I note again, Gear 2 is state of being where Luffy posses more speed. Through that speed his hits also causes more damage.

• Luffy saw how CP9 fights and moves on W7
• We know Luffy had a new technique in mind while riding on puffing tom
• Luffy is glad that he met CP9
• Blueo confirms that Luffy know how to use Soru
• 
  [*]Through increasing the blood pressure, Luffys physical ability increases

 

[Razh]

You two really don't need to explain your theories in every post you write.
It's pretty clear in Jammins first post, and anyone would find it easy to understand.

So, I don't need to read it again so I could possibly change my mind. I just have a different opinion.

It's just weird to me that Luffy never explained how he came up with Gear 3rd, especially if he explained how he developed Gear 2nd. Assuming he wasn't thinking only about assimilating Soru.
I don't buy that "after he came up with Gear 2nd, he started thinking about more ways to enhance his body".
There just wasn't enough time, since creating such techniques really requires some serious thought put into it. Not that Luffy isn't capable of that, just that there wasn't enough time.

I'll make a guess, and say that you two believe that he probably came up with Gears some time between wearing his blue shorts and changing them with black ones. Like he knew that he will have to eat to recover his strenght. So basically he learned Gears and knew everything about them after such a short time.
Isn't that just a bit of a stretch?

 

[gfire2]

i believe luffy thought abt gear 2 just after he met akoiji.

@blackhair: i dont agree with u abt this part

Gear 2 is basically like normal Luffy (Gear 1 xD) only with fukking more speed.

Plz read this hints. I note again, Gear 2 is state of being where Luffy posses more speed. Through that speed his hits also causes more damage.

by pumping more oxygen EVENLY (hence gear 2) into his body he is able to increase his atk power, atk speed, and movement speed. soro was onli a bonus to further increase his movement speed IMO. and i agree with u abt luffy using the gears at the first time in enis lobby (but he alreadi completed the ideas abt the gears before hand)

how i read the cp9 encounter water 7 incident was that luffy was more concerned abt robin rather than fighting the cp9, if u try reading it again luffy was never serious abt fighting the cp9, he was more concerned abt hearing the answer from robin rather than pay attention to his surroundings (we can see this in the amazon part, he was easily defeated and captured by the amazons) if he was forced, i believe he woulda of used his gears in water 7 if he heard the story there.

 

[BlackHair]

It's just weird to me that Luffy never explained how he came up with Gear 3rd, especially if he explained how he developed Gear 2nd. Assuming he wasn't thinking only about assimilating Soru.
I don't buy that "after he came up with Gear 2nd, he started thinking about more ways to enhance his body".
There just wasn't enough time, since creating such techniques really requires some serious thought put into it. Not that Luffy isn't capable of that, just that there wasn't enough time.

I get ur point and it may seem like Oda made it easy. But it only seems far-fetched 'cause you are comparing it with the real world or other shounen series. While Naruto and Bleach have trainings chapter, OP never had any. Oda never rly explained how the monster trio made progress. Even if its sounds far-fetched, whereby I would agree with u.. we have to accept that.

I'll make a guess, and say that you two believe that he probably came up with Gears some time between wearing his blue shorts and changing them with black ones. Like he knew that he will have to eat to recover his strenght. So basically he learned Gears and knew everything about them after such a short time.

Well, to be not so specific I guess better saying "some time between the first encounter with CP9 on W7 and Enis Lobby" is better xD But u r right, he could have came up with that while changing his pants.

Since its counted 1 2 3 4 .. xD I guess he came up with G3 right after G2 or even at the same time.

i believe luffy thought abt gear 2 just after he met akoiji.

Well, maybe Luffy gave some thoughts into Gear 2 after AoKiji or he even had that name in his mind. But he could have only came up with that completed technique after W7.

Proof: Luffy sees soru on W7 -> Luffy notes he has a new technqie while travelling to Enis Lobby -> Luffy is glad that he met CP9 and Blueno confirms Luffys Soru. Without Luffy seeing CP9s Soru, Gear 2 wouldn't have been complete. So to answer this thread, he learned Gear 2 some time between W7 and Enis Lobby.

@blackhair: i dont agree with u abt this part

by pumping more oxygen EVENLY (hence gear 2) into his body he is able to increase his atk power, atk speed, and movement speed. soro was onli a bonus to further increase his movement speed IMO. and i agree with u abt luffy using the gears at the first time in enis lobby (but he alreadi completed the ideas abt the gears before hand).

Lucci said by increasing the blood pressure his physical ability increases by far. So it could be just like u said, that beside his speed also his power increases, Im not denying the possibility. But since Gear 3 is about brutal strength, I thought Gear 2 only focuses on more speed through that a rise in damage. So not rly a power up of brutal strength for Gear 2. Anyway its irrelevant and I don't wanne rly argue about that xD

how i read the cp9 encounter water 7 incident was that luffy was more concerned abt robin rather than fighting the cp9, if u try reading it again luffy was never serious abt fighting the cp9, he was more concerned abt hearing the answer from robin rather than pay attention to his surroundings (we can see this in the amazon part, he was easily defeated and captured by the amazons) if he was forced, i believe he woulda of used his gears in water 7 if he heard the story there.

None of us said, Luffy went sightseeing in IceBergs room, he was certainly concerned about Robin. But don't u think he would also pay attention to those guys who he is fighting against?

I believe u missed some parts of our posts. Its already proven that Luffy payed attention to CP9s fightings style: Luffy explains what he noticed. That can be only after the first encounter, 'cause he noted a new technique in the train.

I keep repeating my sentences, I know its annoying, it even starts to piss me off Last time in this post: It is in the manga indicated that soru triggered Gear 2. Luffy came up with the completed G2 some time between W7 and Enis Lobby.

 

[gfire2]

Proof: Luffy sees soru on W7 -> Luffy notes he has a new technqie while travelling to Enis Lobby -> Luffy is glad that he met CP9 and Blueno confirms Luffys Soru. Without Luffy seeing CP9s Soru, Gear 2 wouldn't have been complete. So to answer this thread, he learned Gear 2 some time between W7 and Enis Lobby.

I believe u missed some parts of our posts. Its already proven that Luffy payed attention to CP9s fightings style: Luffy explains what he noticed. That can be only after the first encounter, 'cause he noted a new technique in the train.

[/i]

there realli is no rite or wrong answer its just how u interpret stuffs, ur so called proof is not realli proof it just interpretations that u used to come up with ur conclusion but my conclusion is different to urs.

None of us said, Luffy went sightseeing in IceBergs room, he was certainly concerned about Robin. But don't u think he would also pay attention to those guys who he is fighting against?
[/i]

u didnt understand my post, my interpretation is that luffy didnt have the resolve to fite the cp9, it was onli he learnt that robin sacraficed herself to save the crew luffy decided to rescue her at all costs

I keep repeating my sentences, I know its annoying, it even starts to piss me off Last time in this post: It is in the manga indicated that soru triggered Gear 2. Luffy came up with the completed G2 some time between W7 and Enis Lobby.

u dont have to try to force every1 onto ur ideals and interpretations, every1 has their own. and i dont find that soru was the trigger for gear 2, it was just the technique that completed gear 2 (just like how kakaishi used chidori and wasnt completed until he got the sharingan)

we need a poll!!

 

[Tsukisama]

we need a poll!!

I could add a poll, but I don't know what would be the appropriate poll choices. The topic of this thread does not seem to necessitate a poll. This topic is more about speculation on when Luffy may have lear this new move. If there is a proper demand for one though, a poll would be added.

 

[BlackHair]

I had no intention to force my viewpoint nor I wanted to piss ppl off. I know my post was/are kind of offensive, but that's just my way of explaining things. Sry about that.

I know It will sound offensive again, but anyway..

As far as I see, this thread is a simple question: "When did Luffy lean G2?" So saying "some time between AoKiji and EL" is not wrong. But with help of the manga, we can shorten the timespan to "some time between W7 (first encounter with CP9) and EL".

[..]and i dont find that soru was the trigger for gear 2, it was just the technique that completed gear 2

U just supported my viewpoint. Though I used the word trigger, I meant just like u, that seeing soru was necessary to complete G2, as I explained in my previous posts.

So basically "some time between W7 and EN" I don't get why we are arguing.

I could add a poll, but I don't know what would be the appropriate poll choices. The topic of this thread does not seem to necessitate a poll. This topic is more about speculation on when Luffy may have lear this new move. If there is a proper demand for one though, a poll would be added.

If poll, then I guess 1. Between AoKiji and EL or 2. Between W7 (first encounter with CP9) and EL..
sth like that.

regards
Bhair

 

[Stop]

Well this is obviously just one of the great mysteries of the world of one piece if you think about it to much your head is gonna blow up

 

[monkey D luffy]

Well, Zoro enveloped a new cutting technique while fighting Mr.1. At first he wasn't able to cut steel, but right before the end he was. He enveloped a new technique within a few minutes. So why is that unthinkable that Luffy & Co came up with their new moves in couple of hours after W7? One Piece is unique, you can't compare its fighting enveloping with other shounen series.

If its about fighting every of those Monster trio are genius, actually every SH is. While fighting with Oz they came up with a strategy to defeat him and that's actually without any kind of strategy discussion.

Just my opinion, its not clearly stated when they learned, though I believe after their first encounter with CP9. Anyway, it has to be some time after AoKiji, that's for sure.

about zoro, he knew that technique was there, also he knew that he could hear the breath of things cuz hes master told him that years ago he just couldnt grap that until that point where hes determination reached its peak.

*) This scene where, Luffy expresses his understanding of the need to grow stronger and that he found a way to do it. (You would have to interpret it pretty heavily to make it say much more than that.)

you just said it your self: luffy stated that he knows how to get stronger and he found out the way after fighting aokiji enough said. he didnt use any other technique other then gear second and third.

whats more luffy said after unleashing gear 2nd that blueno can no longer follow him which means his movement is beyond soru.

also blueno used soru when he fought luffy and luffy still punched him in regular mode. i think that thats the meaning of understanding soru, once luffy understood it he could keep up with it.

My view on this is that it was developed before the Blueno fight simply because the gear 3 thing is so hard to argue against. Sure it’s possible to develop both gear 2 and gear 3 at that moment (though highly unlikely) but Luffy’s attitude after he hits Blueno with the Jet Bazooka is like he had already developed and had experience with gear 3. I can’t remember if the Blueno fight was before or after he took down that huge door with gear 3 when Chimney and the cat/bunny was following him but either that or Luffy’s attitude suggests that gear 3 was known before the Blueno fight. So because of that, I don’t think gear 2 was created right then and there.

i agree with you here. its seems like lufy knew what was going to happen in gear 3rd and yeah he could learn that technique after fighting with aokiji but then gear 3rd would have been fear 2nd and gear 2nd would have been gear 3rd. also luffy couldnt learn gear 3rd from cp9 as far as i can remember no one used this kind of attack and luffy is basiclly the only one capeable of doing it.

 

[BlackHair]

about zoro, he knew that technique was there, also he knew that he could hear the breath of things cuz hes master told him that years ago he just couldnt grap that until that point where hes determination reached its peak.

Thats right, but the fight with Mr1 was necessary to let Zoro reach his peak. Without that fight, Zoro wouldn't have leanred to cut steel. So while his previous experience was needed, it was also necessary to fight Mr.1 <-My point.

Now Luffy only managed to get Gear 2 complete thx to CP9s fighting style. Seriously imo its damn obvious:

• We know Luffy saw soru while fighting CP9 on W7.
• While riding to EL, he comments that he has a new technique which he would like to test.
• Later on EL, while fighting Bluneo Luffy explains what he has noticed during their first encounter on W7. Luffy is talking about Soru!
• He said himself, he was glad to met them, basically he was thanking them.
• Blueno confirms after Luffy using G2, that he has figured out how to use soru (Panel 3 and 4).

After he was beaten by AoKiji, he only wanted to get stronger. So he could have thought about G2, maybe he even had that name (=Gear) in his mind. Im not denying the possibility! But G2 was only complete after seeing soru! So without CP9 on W7, Gear 2 wouldn't have been complete. Basically saying "some time between AoKiji and EL" is not wrong. But with help of the manga, we can shorten the timespan to "some time between W7 (first encounter with CP9) and EL".

Like with Zoro, the fight with Mr.1 was necessary as well as the previous experiences to come up with the steel cutting technique. To get his ass beaten up by AoKiji is also one of Luffy's previous experiences, witch was also needed.


Imo everything is obviously hinted. For now, this will be my last post in this thread. Plz take ur time to read this post. Every hint is a small piece of puzzle, if u join them together this damn puzzle will be complete. I will go with Stop xD.

 

[LeKuaSimi]

perharps luffy got help from sanji and zoro and they formulated their new attacks (which needs an increase in speed too oO) together?

 

[beastboy]

For me is something like:
Luffy came up with a tecnique to beat Aokiji... Gear 2... is intent was to make the ice melt.. and then he created gear 3.. based on the giants... to do the finisher...
But gear 2 was pretty useless... cause it only tired him faster, and somewhat increased is speed...
Once he saw Soru closely.. he was able to clearly ee how they moved so fast... but it was impossible for him to kick the ground 10 times..
So what.. he had a tecnich who slighty increased is speed.. and it was enough to make use of soru..

thats how I see it...