When Did Luffy Learn Gear Second?

[monkey D luffy]

i agree with beastboy. first we need to sperate soru and gear 2nd. gear 2nd makes luffy hotter and therefore he obviouly learned it after thje utter defeat against aokiji. however he did learn soru after watching the members of cp9 carefully, he makes use of soru while hje is in gear 2nd, gear 2nd is not soru.

 

[hossice]

in all honesty on my part i actually believe he got the idea for the legs from the bellamy thing. but used the CP9 stuff to encorporate the idea of blood flow. just my opinion

 

[LeKuaSimi]

belamy? Now that sounds somewhat possible oO

 

[Poneglyph420]

Seems like Luffy got the Idea from seeing the train, and perhaps during the events in Water 7. For sure Luffy knew he needed to do something to get stronger.. When him and Blueno meet again at EL Luffy says he's glad he got to meet them (CP9). That to me says he figured these techniques "on the fly" after meeting CP9 and getting pwned.

Luffy IMO just goes on instinct anyways, so I assumed he just kinda figured it out.

 

[Zeltrax]

It's just weird to me that Luffy never explained how he came up with Gear 3rd, especially if he explained how he developed Gear 2nd. Assuming he wasn't thinking only about assimilating Soru.
I don't buy that "after he came up with Gear 2nd, he started thinking about more ways to enhance his body".
There just wasn't enough time, since creating such techniques really requires some serious thought put into it. Not that Luffy isn't capable of that, just that there wasn't enough time.

I'll make a guess, and say that you two believe that he probably came up with Gears some time between wearing his blue shorts and changing them with black ones. Like he knew that he will have to eat to recover his strenght. So basically he learned Gears and knew everything about them after such a short time.
Isn't that just a bit of a stretch?

I'm betting everything I have here and say that Gear 3rd is inspired before w7, aokiji, and enies lobby. Crazy, yeah sure. But luffy always admire the giants, I mean before fighting Aokiji, maybe he dint think about becoming stronger. Gear 3rd might be on his mind a long time ago, but he din't want to use it. But what about the name? Well simple, the reason for "Gear..." is because of the train right?
So heres my theory:
Gear 3rd was though up BEFORE gear 2nd, but luffy din't bother to use it until he realizes he have to go against cp9. i mean, he went to a giant island right?
He din't give gear 3rd any name, din't use it cos he din't feel the need for it, heck, maybe he doesn't even know how to use it yet like Haki.

Gear 2nd is developed during the trip from w7 to Enies Lobby, reason simply becos he saw how the cp9 fight and develop the technique based on instincts. I'm guessing luffy never really bothered about Gear 3rd, and he just gave it the name becos he wanted to have another form .
Not to mention there were 2 giants on enies lobby too.
"Then, why din't he use gear 3rd against cp9 the first time?"
Simple, he'll hit everyone there with that damn arm.

So its like this
Luffy realizes that he have gear 3rd-> din't give a damn-> aokiji attacks->cp9 attacks-> got gear 2nd becos he witnessed soru and how cp 9 fights-> develop gear 2nd -> realized that he CAN use gear 3rd because he wanted an alternative fighting style-> named them gear 2nd and gear 3rd.

My crazy theory, oh well.

 

[Raist]

I'd have to agree with Razh, but I'll present some different evidence why I believe that since I believe Razh's evidence doesn't back his theory that much:
Firstly he knew the effects of both G2 and G3 before using them:

Here he knew how fast Blueno is, and how fast G2 will make him before he made the statement, Luffy never bragged before, not even when he was up against a weakling like Bellamy, so I don't see him making groundless statements on untested powers. And since he said all of his moves not just his speed tells me he did a lot of testing not just one try on the Rocketman.

Also after witnessing the fact that Blueno with his tekai gou was able to take a Jet Bazooka and is still standing he went for the Gear that gave him more pure power.
Which basically shows that he knows both strengths and weaknesses of both gears. So my guess goes towards that both G2 and G3 were developed between the fight with Aokiji and the train ride.
Some more evidence:
Luffy knowing that G3 is the best bet to get the door opened fast.
Luffy unfazed that he shrunk to 1/10 of his normal size.

Now about the train and testing thing I believe that he wanted to test out soru which he picked up from his brief encounter with CP9(which is much more amazing then watching Blueno do it countless times) and found to be amazingly synergistic with his already developed G2, not only did it allow him to move faster then just G2 but it also virtually eliminated the time between attacks making G2 which has a rather nasty drawback of draining his strength at an alarming rate, much more usable since combat will be done that much faster.

About G2,G3, Asura and Diable Jambe, the reason I think why they were used when they were used is because none of the SHs believed the attacks trully battle ready, since we see that all 4 attacks take a decent time to get ready and were basically used as a last resort since the users weren't sure they would have the time to prepare them or that they will be able to use them properly.

Now the only attack that we are sure was developed on the spot the ability to cut steel, we see that after Zoro is finally able to feel the breath of things he test it by trying not to cut the leaves and cutting the rock without applying too much strength. He doesn't make a baseless statement that he is able to cut steel or that he will finish it in 1 blow.

 

[Wrath]

Saying that they came up with such awesome techniques in just a couple of hours they were on the Rocketman, is too much, even for One Piece.
By that belief, Luffy should have picked up on Haki and beaten Kizaru by now.
He should be on around Gear 6 or something.

That's just too much.

Isn't it clearly stated in manga, that the SH were stronger on Enies Lobby than in Galley-La mansion because of their conviction and morale boost, because they knew Robin was taken against her will.

EDIT: Correction. Not clearly stated, but rather strongly alluded. You know, that old One Piece crap about Nakamas and unity and all that.

I've never been certain why people ignored this in favour of believing they magically got stronger while travelling to EL. After all we saw how Luffy was stuck between two buildings and only found the strength to free himself after being told that Robin was trying to protect the crew.

As for the whole Gear 2 thing, well, I've always thought it was pretty clear. Luffy gets owned by Aokiji, starts to think of ways to get stronger, but doesn't have a proper chance to test them out in a fight until EL because in Water 7 he was conflicted due to Robin's seeming betrayal.

Gear 2 then is an incomplete technique to increase his stamina/physical abilities that only really becomes useful when he meets Blueno and learns Soru. Hence being glad that he met Blueno HERE, rather than in W7. We merely associate Gear 2 with superspeed because that's how it was used in its finished form, because only in that state is Luffy capable of using Soru, probably due to the fact that he didn't properly train for it. That also explains why Sanji and Zoro didn't just rip off the moves they saw.

 

[Omnion_1990]

Well the way i see it he discovered it in the seventh movie, which happens before the main water 7. when that turtle thing hits hit with force luffys legs pump only once?? and he even comments on where that spurt of strength came from. i think this is also after encounter with aokiji cos then he wouldve thought about using it.

but the reason why he didnt use it earlier in water 7 is because i dont think its wise to show your enemy your trumpcard when you know nothing about them. also it took long years for them to master soru, and i think going into gear 2 gave luffys leg muscles the strength to unlock "soru" and it pumped blood around his body faster greatly increasing his metabolic rate.

 

[maaghms]

I don’t know whether anybody has done this but I present my unified solution to most problems raised by people regarding Gears.

It is quite “proven” that Gear 2nd was invented after Luffy’s first fight with CP9. There is no doubt about it because there is a very strong evidence (or even “fact”) that Soru was the basis for Gear 2nd.

I know, I know.. The problem people are having is that there is no way Gear 3rd can be developed in the train (as Luffy wasn’t surprised by the Chibi size in Enis Lobby). And they are correct.

A likely answer is this:

Gear 2nd was developed after first fight with CP9 by observing Soru.
Gear 3rd was invented after the fight with Aokiji and before Water 7 Arc.

So now people have the problem with the naming system, i.e. why call it Gear 3rd if it was developed before Gear 2nd?

The answer is that there is no evidence that the naming system for the Gears is chronological. It might be based on strength or power of the respective Gears. Heck, it might even be random.
Who says that Luffy named those Gears one by one as they came out? He could have developed those Gears way before boarding the train and on the train, we could have simply given the fancy names “Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd” based on the attack power.

 

[RichardMNixon]

There's a lot more to Gear Second than just soru, if anything soru is enabled by gear second and not the other way around: he's able to do soru because he can move faster; he needs to kick the ground ten times in an instant. His punches in gear second also move faster than the eye can see.

 

[LeKuaSimi]

he thought of the idea of gear second and third, one to increase his speed, the other his strength. At first he did not know how to make himself faster, but thought of inflating his bones first. Later, he saw soru and learnt Gear 2, and decided to call it that as he probably hit on the idea of making himself faster, before the idea of making himself faster.

 

[ckkdlek]

err or maybe, gear 2 = a lot of steam and heat (?) so luffy thought it could help him against aokiji, but AFTER seeing soru, applied it to gear 2?

 

[SgtPepper]

Immediately after Luffy enters gear second for the first time, during the fight against Blueno:

Blueno: Whats that mist? Is this his imitation of a steam engine?

Luffy: Im glad i met you all here. Thanks to you, my nakama will be safe for a long time.

Blueno: Isnt it because of us that youre about to lose your nakama?

Luffy: When i fought ao kiji, i thought about it. If strong guys like this are going to appear on our road ahead, ill need to become stronger. Im glad that i met you all here. Because of you, ill be able to protect my nakama for a long time.

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Conversation between Blueno and Luffy points towards soru inspiring his ideas for the gears. If that is false, it would mean that Luffy thought the speed of soru alone would make the difference for saving his nakama, and not the gears.

If Luffy could've used gear second or third you can be damn sure he would've used it in the mansion before Robin jumped out the window.

There is no explicit proof given that it wasnt learnt on the journey to water seven, but there was no hinting to new techniques at all until after the mansion fight.

Seeing the feet tapping for soru which increased blood flow, gave him the idea to do the same using his rubber legs, creating gear second.

No explanation at all was given on how he could have possibly conceived the idea of gear third, and the only info given was Lucci's analysis and Luffy's thoughts during their battle. One can only speculate the idea of pumping blood through his veins for speed led to pumping air into his bones for power

I agree with almost all maaghms' points, except for one: When Luffy was in the mansion and got tekkai'd and wasnt strong enough to damage, i find it extremely unlikely he wouldnt have tried to use gear third if he had any idea how. I agree, its huge size is a bit of a stretch to fit on the train, but its not like his ship is any bigger or more convenient to practice on.

As for the naming system, it should just be ignored since no basis is really given for it anyways.

And as for "but the reason why he didnt use it earlier in water 7 is because i dont think its wise to show your enemy your trumpcard when you know nothing about them. also it took long years for them to master soru, and i think going into gear 2 gave luffys leg muscles the strength to unlock "soru" and it pumped blood around his body faster greatly increasing his metabolic rate."
- Trumpcards are made to be used before you get the snot beaten out of you and your friends stolen, and i dont see how a faster metabolism is gonna win any fights.. unless he starts off really bloated?

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Top half fact

Bottom half opinion

 

[Cizuz]

There's a lot more to Gear Second than just soru, if anything soru is enabled by gear second and not the other way around: he's able to do soru because he can move faster; he needs to kick the ground ten times in an instant. His punches in gear second also move faster than the eye can see.

Actually no. In one piece universe gear second is absolutely nothing special. It is brilliant but not special.

Luffy noticed that with soru they are increasing blood flow and moving faster as well as increasing their reaction time. He tried doing the same techic but probably failed. After that due to his rubber body he can let it stretch so his only variation is he pumps his legs 10 times a second instead of hitting the ground 10 times a second, pumping his blood a lot.

The thing is, anyone can do this, the ONLY thing that makes luffy special is while most people would die when their blood pressure goes to the point of busting veins or causing a heart attack, however due to rubber body and rubber veins, his body can take his heart going 300, 400 bpm as an example.

 

[hisoga]

i'm sorry, but why the hell people thought gear 2 was based on Soru? gear 2 is a technique that boosted Luffy physical strength and speed.. thats mean luffy can punch much harder and faster in G2 mode than in normal condition.. in G2, luffy also can move much faster and allow him to copy Soru.. that is the only connection between G2 and Soru..

 

[matzik1212]

i personally think that he came up with gear2 after he saw the CP9's techinques more exactly when he and zoro were defeted at iceburg's house when the CP9's identities were revelead...i mean i think is obvious he came up with gear2 after he saw the soru technique after all he even thanked blueno that he encountered them now and that this kind of technique exists... i don't really see how the encounter with aokiji brought gear2 to life

actually soru was the base of gear2 and that thing even luffy admitted just like i said above

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

I cant see the similarities between Soru and G2.
Soru allows the user to move quickly around by KICKING the same spot over 10times in an instant.

G2 allows Luffy to attack much faster.Thats why its called Jet Pistol/w/e he uses.not Soru Pistol.Well maybe Luffy did combine Soru moving speed with G2 Attack speed.But its 2 completely different thing.

Luffy said so himself.After being defeated by Aokiji he"ll have to get stronger so that he can protect his crew mates for a long time.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2494-16/one-piece/chapter-387.html

 

[Razh]

I already discussed here like 2 years ago but I can't bare not to write something else.

It's a proven fact that Luffy wasn't strong enough to use Soru outside of his gear. So how could he use the principle of Soru to activate Gear 2nd? It's also worth mentioning that he doesn't kick the ground wen activating Gear 2nd, so there's no basis for that.

And another thing people still keep mentioning. Why didn't Luffy use Gears in the Galley-la mansion? Way to totally miss the point. Luffy, as all the other SH was confused and demoralized by what Robin has done. Then, when they found out what was really happening they received a morale boost and actually had a reason to fight. It was Oda's message about friendship and how you can be a lot more determined and stronger when you're fighting to protect something, or someone. In fact, it's a recurring lesson in Shounen mangas and I'm pretty sure all of you came across it more than once.

 

[smoothmeduso]

Honestly its given he learns how to use his version of soru(gear second) after watching cp9 fight, because he clearly states i saw you kick your leg 10 times and he says im thankful for you guys because now i can move foward protecting my nakama. right before that he said he lost to aokiji and wanted to find a way to get stronger so he can keep his nakama who are weaker than him, this is where people are getting confused he said this because aokiji could have killed robin and luffy couldn't have done anything about it.

my theory on how gear second works is like a steam engine he uses his legs as pumps and speeds up his blood flow to the point of his rubber body using his blood as if its water(steroids) making heat killing blood cells producing steam note the pinkish color of his skin.Also i think he uses tekkai when he punches to make fist harder than steel.

For gear third i think he learned it from watching franky do coupe de vente (the force of air), he already knew gum gum balloon and i think he combined that with franky's coupe de vent after seeing him do it he also moves some of his bones to the limb he is about to use combing the bones to make a giant's arm leg body etc also combining tekkai condensing the air that he blew through his finger into a single limb for a killer move.

 

[kkck]

We already know how gear second works. Luffy uses his legs to pump his blood and increase the speed at which it circulates his body. It gives him extra energy so to speak. That much was already explained in the manga.