Discussion Which group is the strongest?

[alisdfd]

Just because there is an old storytelling rule that assumes that the last force revealed is the strongest, I will say RA is the most powerful one.

Not really RA may not be strong enough to defeat all the younkous

---------- Post added at 07:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:08 PM ----------

I'm going with the revolutionaries... the most wanted man in the world is in that group...

Lets tier their power right quick

Monkey D. Dragon - Extremely Powerful (Weather Manipulation??) Leader

Kuma - Pushes him self at lightspeed more effective than Kizaru, able to create bombs from nothing but air...

Ivanakov & Inuzuma - Powerful Okama's in command of an entire island of super powered gays...

Ally: Zoro's Master?
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That's just the capabilities of a few of them... I think they win so far...

But KUMA BELONGS TO THE MARINES REMEMBER NOT DRAGON UNLESS IT SAYS RA SENT HIM AS A SPY

---------- Post added at 07:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:11 PM ----------

Well, to make a revolution you don't need having the same numbers (Because it's weird then the need of revolution) but having equal strength. Dragon NEEDS to be AS STRONG or STRONGER in order to change stuff.

not really Dragon needs to change people's thoughts and hearts against the marines
He doesnt need to be stronger

---------- Post added at 07:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:13 PM ----------

HMMMMM all these post made me think what if Dragon didnt use a DF but was a Haki user - an expert above Rayleigh's level in haki and thus can use it to affect elements but it is only a possiblity.
However, in my view I would prefer if Dragon's power is never showwn it will be good because it will show that the power lies in changing people's hearts and minds , hence what Mihawk said about Luffy during the WhiteBeard WAR

 

[Uriel]

Not really RA may not be strong enough to defeat all the younkous

He needs to be strong to confront the marines, the marines must be strong to confront the Yonkous. Therefore, RA must be strong enough to defeat the Yonkous as well.
Which will depend of course on how relationships are between RA and Yonkous, of course.

 

[Saint Markus]

1. Marines have more global positions and organization. Plus, they uphold the "Law", so you can't even really count them in the first place. But, whatever.

2. Shichibukai would be last in form of strength, because they obviously are under the control of the World Government, plus they don't even trust each other enough to hold their own power in the Old or New World.

3. Yonkou are really headed by individual reputation and territorial influence. And that can be changed at any given opportunity. Blackbeard himself proved that by replacing Whitebeard as Yonkou. And the people gave him the title I believe.

4. The Revolutionary Army to me is the most powerful, due to their ultimate alliance against the strongest force on the planet (The World Government & Marines). Their will alone shows they truly wish to be free from whatever oppression is being made by the WG. Even both the "Shichibukai" and "Yonkou" merely wish to hold balances and agreements with the WG, where as, the Revolutionary Army wishes to free the world into it's own sense of justice and order.


That's my take on it.

 

[THM Nindo]

1. Marines have more global positions and organization. Plus, they uphold the "Law", so you can't even really count them in the first place. But, whatever.

2. Shichibukai would be last in form of strength, because they obviously are under the control of the World Government, plus they don't even trust each other enough to hold their own power in the Old or New World.

3. Yonkou are really headed by individual reputation and territorial influence. And that can be changed at any given opportunity. Blackbeard himself proved that by replacing Whitebeard as Yonkou. And the people gave him the title I believe.

4. The Revolutionary Army to me is the most powerful, due to their ultimate alliance against the strongest force on the planet (The World Government & Marines). Their will alone shows they truly wish to be free from whatever oppression is being made by the WG. Even both the "Shichibukai" and "Yonkou" merely wish to hold balances and agreements with the WG, where as, the Revolutionary Army wishes to free the world into it's own sense of justice and order.


That's my take on it.

Well, if the rebellion army was really the strongest, wouldn't they have win the rebellion already?
I think they are not strong enough and that's why they haven't still made their move.

I wish we had more info on them.
Hopefully, eventually Robin will tell them what she learned, or we will have some flashback of what happened for her during those 2 years.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

He needs to be strong to confront the marines, the marines must be strong to confront the Yonkous. Therefore, RA must be strong enough to defeat the Yonkous as well.
Which will depend of course on how relationships are between RA and Yonkous, of course.

I think the Marineford battle pretty much proved that the Marines could beat one Yonkou, two of the Yonkou against them and they would look bad. Why do you think everyone was shitting themselves when Shanks and Whitebeard met? Because they feared a possible alliance (which, considering WB´s personality, would be impossible but that is another matter).

 

[Fox666]

I think the Marineford battle pretty much proved that the Marines could beat one Yonkou, two of the Yonkou against them and they would look bad. Why do you think everyone was shitting themselves when Shanks and Whitebeard met? Because they feared a possible alliance (which, considering WB´s personality, would be impossible but that is another matter).

That's true, but doesn't necessarily means the marines couldn't defeat both Whitebeard and Shanks, but at least it would drastically decrease their troops.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

That's true, but doesn't necessarily means the marines couldn't defeat both Whitebeard and Shanks, but at least it would drastically decrease their troops.

It would certainly be very hard and in my opinion, they could lose, too. You also have to consider that the Marines were in an advantage position from the get-go, their objective was not to beat the opponent but to keep them from freeing Ace, so they had the tactical advantage, very well displayed with the wall they put up. Put them on a neutral ground and the this war itself could have looked a bit differently. Adding to that one opponent of the caliber of WB, at least 2 (probably more) like Marco or Jozu + notorious NW captains and pirates as allies, the chances would certainly look good.

 

[M3J]

I think the Yonkou is the strongest group, followed by Revolutionary Army. Or it could be vice versa. If I recall, the whole idea of shichibukai was established to help the Marines keep balance with the Yonkou so they wouldn't invade the Old World (?).

 

[Doraku]

I somehow suspect that Revolutionary Army is the strongest among those groups. I mean, the group is not just attacking the Marine, but also the World Government, which is far more superior than the Marine. Yonkou is possibly the second, a group of four elites in the New World means that they have enormous powers and influence no less than Shichibukai and Marine. Still, since I believe that Yonkou aim is only to keep the balance in the New World, they are weaker than Revolutionary Army.

 

[Faust]

Yonkou having half of the world controlled by them.

 

[Zoronoa Roro]

You mean half of the grandline? I dont think that you can group yonkous as one group. Just cant.
I think that globaly marines are strongest group. They fight RA, scores of other unafiliated pirate crews, yonkous at the same time, they have resources such as vegapunk, Pacifistas, CP-# units and who really knows what else.

 

[Faust]

Revolutionary Army

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Revolutionary Army

If that were true, their Guerilla tactics would not be necessary

 

[Faust]

If that were true, their Guerilla tactics would not be necessary

They are still making their group stronger so for now they do guerilla attacks

 

[suraj5898]

You mean half of the grandline? I dont think that you can group yonkous as one group. Just cant.
I think that globaly marines are strongest group. They fight RA, scores of other unafiliated pirate crews, yonkous at the same time, they have resources such as vegapunk, Pacifistas, CP-# units and who really knows what else.

i dont think marines is strongest .
if all 4 Yonkou join force they can be strongest group around because if u talk about groups they said balance 3 group to run one piece world smoothly r WG/marines , Shichibukai and yonkou .
this balance is WG/marines + Shichibukai = yonkou


if u think some differently u will find group r like
WG/marines official good people (we know truth how good they r)
Shichibukai pirates but marines dont do anything against them if its not necessary
Revolutionary Army enemy of WG
yonkou powerful pirates (other pirates can join them)
there r pirates (luffy , kid , law etc) u cant forget about them so if u want total every power u have to add pirates in yonkou and . because u cant add all pirates in marines and Shichibukai's maximum number is 7 even if u change Shichibukai then u remove one powerful pirate from that group and add them in yonkou group

so if u take that yonkou r most powerful group

 

[Beatrice]

Gonna go with the Yonkou here seeing what Whitebeard did to Marineford.

 

[Kaiten]

For all that though, he still lost. Newgate himself was killed, the Marine and Shichibukai won the war.

 

[Razh]

That's only one of them. Still 3 of them remaining, who haven't even fought. If they were all allied and attacked together, Marineford would have been destroyed completely. Granted, if they were up against all Yonkou they would probably have a greater force waiting, but let's be real, most of their fighting power was already there. It's a good thing (for WG) that there is no Pirate King (yet). Only someone like that could unite all pirates.

As for Revolutionaries, it pays out more to make the people turn against WG and their kings and subsequently join their army, than to attack kingdoms and kill potential allies. If I remember correctly, Ivankow said he was waiting for the right time to get out of jail and join the fights. There are probably others who are waiting and, in the meantime, their army is probably getting bigger and bigger.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

It depends on how you define group. For me, the Yonkou are definitely not a group, it is just a term for the 4 strongest pirates who own territories in the NW. If Yonkou are a group, then so are pirates in general. Marines and the WG are the strongest "group". The problem in the "Great Pirate Era" is not only that very powerful figures have appeared but the sheer amount of pirates in general.

 

[Razh]

Well the thread made them into groups and out of all these, Yonkou seem to have the greatest military might. Not all pirates are part of Yonkou alliances.