1. You obviously aren't even slightly trying to understand anything I've said because you haven't countered any of my arguments.
Which proves that you actually only ignore arguments of others and stick to your hypothesis even though you're on lost ground.
Edwards sneak attack doesn't matter because it was just that, a sneak attack. I've already explained that when these two fought head up, they were equals at the very "least". If you take into account Edward's age, sickness and lack of dodging skills, I think Sakazuki would win a fair fight.
If Edward's - what you call it - "sneak attack" doesn't count then the Admirals' sneak attacks on Whitebeard don't count either. If you ignore stuff to justify your theory, you're argumentation is completely imbalanced. And by this you're overhyping Sakazuki who lost badly to an aged Whitebeard. None of Sakazuki's attacks kept Whitebeard down - even the one Sakazuki dealt Whitebeard when he already had a weak moment - while Whitebeard only needed two strong hits to take the foulmouth admiral down temporarily.
A team of three admirals and many vice admirals were needed to get Whitebeard on the verge of death, so Blackbeard and his crew did the rest. And still he died standing.
That is the ultimate proof of Whitebeard being not overhyped at all. None of the other characters participating in that battle were attacked that much. None of them took that many hits. And none of them kept standing, kept moving forward, and kept dealing massive blows to enemies.
2. How do I not have anything to base it on? IT IS IN THE MANGA! Edward only fights Kuzan and Sakazuki head up one each. We clearly see he loses ground to Kuzan. Marco and Jozu WERE in the war taking majority of the slack off Edward. Edward had pirates like Vista whom could go toe to toe with Mihawk on his team. If all the admirals DID jump Edward, he would die horribly.
As that last part
did never happen in the manga that's your conclusion based on your hypothesis which stays completely unproven.
No one besides you says that Whitebeard would have needed to get all alone to Marineford, rescue Ace all alone and make it out unharmed and alive to do "his hype" justice. That base of argumentation is simply irrealistic and ridiculous as it ignores how Oda built the characters and the whole second part of One Piece.
3. Edward was one of only character there that did die. Sakazuki didn't take so much damage from fodder. Neither did Kuzan, Marco or Jozu. None of these pirates/marines died either. Edward was slaughtered in this war. Luffy was in the front line and he didn't take that much damage. I can't give him credit for that.
If you can't give him credit for that, you're simply determined to drive yourself into your corner even further.
Teamwork is no sign of a character's weakness. Going by that would mean that the admirals all together are overhyped and weak as none of them took any character down all alone. Sakazuki didn't even kill Ace all alone as he actually attacked Luffy and Ace blocked his attack with his body thus willingly took the blow. So Sakazuki is overhyped by your argumentation.
That other characters were not killed is no sign of Whitebeard being overhyped or not the strongest of all. If the admirals were strong enough to kill Whitebeard on their own, there wouldn't be a need at all to lure him to Marineford which was prepared for his attack. They would have openly attacked him.
4. There was no error in my speech. Of course when I said Edward had pirates on par with the shichibukai, I was referring to the stronger of the bunch. I then referred to the weaker of the bunch because you brought up Ace being offered the position. Going by the original flow of the story there IS a such thing as shichibukai level because all of the originals were strong.
You said "I highly doubt Ace was shichibukai level at that point." And get your facts straight: I didn't bring up Ace's invitation.
You said "shichibukai level" - out of ignorance as you admit now as such a level did never exist.
And now you're trying to talk yourself out of it - which doesn't work at all.
Ace obviously wasn't on par with Jimbei, Mihawk or Kuma when Edward tossed him in his sleep so for you to bring it up in the first place made no sense.
Ace was on par with Jinbei, and Mihawk: Jinbe fought Ace only to a draw - when Ace was 17. Mihawk did never show any sign of cutting DF users who are immune to flourish. And Kuma never showed any ability to deal with Logia users at all.
And it was you who brought up Ace...
Saying "Whitebeard isn't that strong" makes PERFECT sense if he is widely reguarded as the strongest on OP. It depends on how you comprehend things. You must have read it like "Whitebeard is weak" which is not what I'm saying. It is just a quicker way of saying "Whitebeard wasn't the strongest character in OP." If I said "Luffy isn't that strong" you wouldn't have the strong feeling of disbelief which leads to my point of Edward being overhyped.
We're not just disbelieving your thesis. You're argumentation is imbalanced and constructed to support your belief that as you said: "Whitebeard isn't that strong."
Saying Vivi could destroy MF holds grounds.
No. Not at all. The manga utterly disproves you. DF abilities building on one character's physical abilites - which the Gure Gura power undeniably does - doesn't have the same strength if the DF ability is used by a potentially weaker character. Vivi is by no means physically strong enough to crackle a rock with that Gura Gura power.
I highly doubt Teach has the strength Edward does, yet without any practice he could use the same destructive abilities Edward did.
Teach didn't need to be as strong as Edward in all aspects. Marineford already took massive damage from Edward's blows, so another blow from Teach simply only did some more damage. And neither Whitebeard nor Blackbeard attacked with all their power at once. They may have put some equal physical strength into those blows.
MF wasn't being destroyed because Edward or Teach were strong, but because of the gura gura no mi.
Wrong conclusion. If one had only to rely on the Gura Gura no Mi powers, why wouldn't Blackbeard fight Sakazuki then and decided to retreat?
It was said to be the strongest devil fruit in the world with the power to destroy it.
Irrelevant. All that power is simply lost if one doesn't have the key to use it. Vivi doesn't have those keys. Blackbeard does.
"Destroying the world" simply can also mean that Whitebeard simply had to attack Mariejois with it.
Your observation haki talk is all for not considering it didn't help Edward dodge any of the many attacks that killed him...
You're unreasonable and ignore the facts given and summarize. You tried to make a point that Whitebeard was overhyped due to him not foreseeing Squard's attack.
Last time I checked, none of the other big names died in that war.
Irrelevant.
In a head up battle that could last for days on end, trying to protect against sneak attacks would be absent so trying to use it against Sakazuki is pointless. Edwards sneak attack wouldn't happen in a one on one against an admiral, nor would Jozu coming to help.
There were no 1-on-1 battles in that Marineford incident. So there's no point in bringing up such unproven assumptions and keep repeating them in order to stick on one's hope one will give into them.
What would happen would be Edward possibly catching a heart attack.
Irrelevant. He did have such a weak moment. Sakazuki used it to attack him - but didn't bring him down.
On another note. Sakazuki has the power to mortally wound Edward.
Every character at a certain strength has the power to wound another character mortally. That is an irrelevant part on your argumentation.
If he didn't miss Edwards head and hit him directly, he would have died.
Sakazuki didn't miss Edward's head.
Sakazuki clearly had the power to blow chunks off of the giant.
Having the power to do so is no proof at all that one character is weaker or stronger than another one.
