Discussion Who is Luffy's Whitebeard and Garp?

[beck26]

still....smoker is not in garp's level....you can twist it anyhow you want but smoker is no garp. they dont even share the same personality as roger-luffy's comparison are.

giving excuses on why smoker lost wont make him anymore garp-like

 

[mattiaildivino]

AS IF RUFY WERE AT ROGER'S LEVEL! both of them still have got much to learn and to improve.

 

[beck26]

yep. so why the comparison again to smoker and garp??? and coby to garp???...coby wont do anything to luffy until like...the end of the series....from what i remember, garp cornered (just cornered) roger many times.

smoker losing to law already....luffy got other fate with roger...they share the same personality and will of D...dont know why you guys keep insisting it.smfh

 

[Newkerzy]

I think I'll go for Kid as Luffy's Whitebeard and Law might also be Luffy's Shiki. As for Luffy's Garp, I'll go for Smoker.

Whitebeard and Roger were two opposites but were friendly to each other. Roger is the fun-loving, reckless pirate while Whitebeard is the level-headed one.
I can see Luffy and Kid sit down and have a good cup of Sake with each other after beating the hell out of each other while having a good laugh, much like Whitebeard & Roger did. There's also the amount of respect Kid has for Luffy. Like Whitebeard had for Roger.

Law might be the Shiki to Luffy considering his rather cruel, pragmatic nature.

Smoker is definitely the Garp to Luffy, while Smoker hates pirates, even he has the morality to see what's right from wrong in WG's & Marines' actions.

 

[beck26]

kidd got no respect for anyone....
law allied with the government, shiki didnt....
smoker already lost and dont think he would still be there trailing luffy until the end of the series (just like garp always trailed roger until roger submitted himself)...its either akainu or blackbeard or the gorousei who would be there in the end vs luffy....no smoker there.

 

[Zehahaha]

It seems you guys seem to have some problems with the topic.
Luffy's Whitbeard = Direct rival, not having WB's character and charisma and the same dreams
Luffy's Garp = Not exatcly rivals, but still not having Garp's character and charisma

So, saying that " No Kidd is cruel, scum... " or whatever, isn't relevant, the same way about Smoker " He lost... ", who doesn't lose ? Even Luffy lost many times, any character lost fights many time...


But, I don't think we'll have a unique rival for Luffy... Supernovas/BB are all Luffy's rivals, Coby/Smoker want to catch Luffy too... It isn't gonna be the same as it was in Roger's time.

 

[beck26]

but with luffy they compare him to roger because they have the same personality right? which is fine by me....the only thing that annoys me is that everything that happened to roger, they try to find and fit it into luffy's...even the people they met. i dont think one piece is that predictable to go that everything that happened to roger must happen to luffy....i got no problem with people comparing to luffy, because even oda said so. even the characters said so.

 

[smoker559]

Law is Luffy's Whitebeard because Luffy has a stronger connection to Law, as oppose to the other Supernovas. They also seem similar in strength.

Smoker is Luffy's Garp because he is a Marine with good morals and the only character to chase Luffy throughout the series, just like Garp did to Roger during their time.

 

[Zehahaha]

but with luffy they compare him to roger because they have the same personality right? which is fine by me....the only thing that annoys me is that everything that happened to roger, they try to find and fit it into luffy's...even the people they met. i dont think one piece is that predictable to go that everything that happened to roger must happen to luffy....i got no problem with people comparing to luffy, because even oda said so. even the characters said so.

Yes I know that. Many people who were close to Roger acknowledged that he's really like Roger, which I agree about too, but it doesn't mean that he'll have the same rivals Roger had.

 

[beck26]

Yes I know that. Many people who were close to Roger acknowledged that he's really like Roger, which I agree about too, but it doesn't mean that he'll have the same rivals Roger had.

see what i mean? youre kinda agreeing with me....all im saying is they share the personality, the confidence, the will of the D, the ability to hear the voice of all things....but they dont share the same fate.

in this regard....whitebeard is very far from law, kidd or anyone you wanna be whitebeard in luffy's era, or smoker to garp

 

[Page356]

Lol what is it with you guys. Of course he won't have the same rivals, but he will have similar ones damnit. If they did a 100 year time skip and you had a good guy character that was going to be Pirate King, and you had other Pirates with the same dream, and the Marines still existed, then you would still have to fill similar roles for those chasing/competeing with him! I don't know why I can't get yall to understand this simple concept, maybe it's because not enough was shown about Roger's past. No matter what, these four roles must be filled:

Rival Good Pirate
Rival Good Marine
Rival Bad Pirate
Rival Bad Marine

While there are a ton of characters in OP, some characters better fill these positions than others from what we have seen at this point, after all we are only half way through Luffy's story and we have only viewed very little of Roger's story from what happened at the end. But anyway, let's make some comparisons:

Rival Roger Luffy
Good Pirate Whitebeard (aka the one we know about, he obviously had many like Luffy) Law, Buggy, Kidd, Shanks
Good Marine Garp Smoker, Coby, Aokiji
Bad Pirate Shiki, maybe another not shown yet Blackbeard, Donflamingo, Kidd, Law
Bad Marine ??? Akainu, maybe Kong

The point is at some point these apex rivals will appear much more clearly as we find out exactly how good or evil they are, and exactly how powerful and important they are and eventually AT THE END OF THE SERIES we will have a very definite answer of ONE PERSON TO FILL EACH OF THESE ROLES. I'm looking for an opinion on WHO and WHY you predict someone to fill the "good" roles.

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Bah it changed the format of my fourth paragraph:

Rival Role Vs Roger Vs Luffy
Good Pirate = Whitebeard = Law, Buggy, Kidd, Shanks
Good Marine = Garp = Smoker, Coby, Aokiji
Bad Pirate = Shiki or other = Blackbeard, Donflamingo, Kidd, Law
Bad Marine = ??? = Akainu, Kong

 

[mattiaildivino]

yep. so why the comparison again to smoker and garp??? and coby to garp???...coby wont do anything to luffy until like...the end of the series....from what i remember, garp cornered (just cornered) roger many times.

smoker losing to law already....luffy got other fate with roger...they share the same personality and will of D...dont know why you guys keep insisting it.smfh

as I had just told you, it doesn't matter if smoker has been defeated by Law,as Rufy has lost against a lot of opponents.I don't think roger had always won,he should have lost sometimes against stronger opponents,whom he surpassed nonetheless.

 

[beck26]

no...wait wait...you guys are comparing every little detail of luffy and roger and when someone says that..."well its not the case with smoker and garp"...you guys make it broad and general like...."well they are both good marines..."

smh. oh yeah. lets do the twist...like we did last summer.

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Rival Role Vs Roger Vs Luffy
Good Pirate = Whitebeard = Law, Buggy, Kidd, Shanks

*** whitebeard is a good pirate ho doesnt care about one piece.....law is a fishy bastard, buggy is a treasure whore, kidd is a sadistic killer.....shanks is luffy's inspiration....when in the blue did whitebeard became an idol of roger????

Good Marine = Garp = Smoker, Coby, Aokiji

***garp is a devoted marine who is a rival of roger from the beggining of his career up to the end, in which they treat each other (roger) as friends....smoker is an devoted pirate who wont be following luffy until the end (becoz luffy got bigger rivals), coby who? he would be significant in the marines like, at the end of the series...aokiji is not even a freakin marine.... :/

Bad Pirate = Shiki or other = Blackbeard, Donflamingo, Kidd, Law

**** i would agree somehow with shiki and blackbeard = two bad guys with a plan.

still, i hate it when people say "oh, he is luffy's blah blah blah of roger." luffy meets different people, i cant even see a whitebeard or garp or sengoku or tsuru in luffy's acquiantances.

 

[Page356]

Well brah, the only last thing I can say is wait til the series is finished. The truth is you have no idea whatsoever how Roger and Garp's relationship developed, you only know the end point. The same goes for Whitebeard. Also you must be assuming Roger went straight to Raftel and had no competing pirates or marines to deal with besides Roger, Garp, and Shiki. I'm sure once we get past the other half it'll become a little more obvious.

 

[beck26]

oh no not all...im not assuming anything.

i know roger faced many other pirates...but im afraid once we learned every pirates and marines roger faced....you guys might find each one of them counterpart with luffy's LOL.

and yeah. tell me if smoker and law and kidd will possibly be relevant in a major way in the end of the series....its quite obvious its gonna be akainu, blackbeard and coby who would be there along with the strawhats right at the ending...if you know how to construct a storyline (however wide oda's imagination is, he still follows the rules of writing a plot)...its pretty obvious the latter 3 i mentioned are being built up much larger than any other characters along with luffy.

 

[mattiaildivino]

according to the chapter of the alst week,CC, I think that Law will be rufy's whitebeard. I doubt he will join his crew,but they may help each other many times now.

 

[Kaiten]

I agree, A friendly rivalry between Law and Luffy makes sense. The one difference is that I expect a battle between Luffy, the Marines and World Government after he becomes Pirate King, the climactic battle of the manga. I think that Law will come to Luffy's aid during that war, allying with Luffy against the government.

 

[mattiaildivino]

I agree, A friendly rivalry between Law and Luffy makes sense. The one difference is that I expect a battle between Luffy, the Marines and World Government after he becomes Pirate King, the climactic battle of the manga. I think that Law will come to Luffy's aid during that war, allying with Luffy against the government.

lol,an all out war is needed before the end of the manga,especially since the one between WB and the HQ wasn't so great,and there weren't good fights within it. it would be cool if the SHs alone defeated the HQ,that would sanction his title of the strongest of the world. but if law joined it,it'd be ok

 

[kkck]

To be completely honest I would expect kid to be the more serious rival luffy has among the supernova. Between roger and whitebeard, the scenario seems to be that they fought so much that they came to respect each other and eventually that turned into a weird friendship(at least that would be consistent with them fighting a bunch of times and it would be somewhat similar to the garp-roger situation). Luffy getting into a bunch of fights with law would not make as much sense as him getting into a bunch of fights with kidd, who is far more volatile and is actively messing around with yonko and apparently on his way to being the pirate king. In turn, law somehow ended up having to work for ceasar.... I think the situation with law would be one of an awkward friendship more than anything. Eventually luffy will help law, law not feeling he was owned anything by luffy will feel indebted to luffy which IMO will create something of a strange friendship.

 

[Kaiten]

I don't think there is anything friendly about Kid. He burned someone at the stake not to long ago. Kid will probably be a villain to be defeated rather than a friendly rival. Given the set up of this arc there is a good chance that Law and Luffy fight. They won't fight to the death, and they will likely retain respect for each other, but Law is allied to CC at least temporarily. That could lead to confrontation with Luffy. There is also a very strong possibility that in the near future Luffy defeats Big Mom and replaces her as a Yonkou. Thus Law in his role as a Shichibukai could end up confronting Luffy again later on in the manga.