Discussion Who is stronger than Luffy?

[mattiaildivino]

I think the admirals are still stronger than luffy,but i'd like him to have surpassed at least the shichibukais. of course the emperors are still too far above him,except for BB who is nearer them nonetheless.

 

[warsetone]

nah I got a feeling that BB is probably the strongest of the yonkous at the moment
- Big Mom and Kaido might lose to luffy in the upcoming arcs if they end up fighting eachother
- I dont think Garp and Sengoku are stronger than luffy anymore, they are getting old, the same goes to rayleigh

I'd go with Mihawk, Doflamingo, Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, Dragon, Shanks, BB, and maybe Kaido/Big Mom (we will have to see how they fare when they show up)

- the rest known characters are equal to luffy at best

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notice the list is pretty much still old list of top shichibukai + admirals + yonkou + dragon... hasnt changed much lol and they've all been mentioned through out the serie

Mihawk/Dragon/Shanks (first arc), BB (second arc), Doflamingo (third arc), Admirals (fourth arc, *akainu was first mentioned in third arc in anime), Kaido (fifth arc), Big Mom (eighth arc, fifth arc if she is the same person mentioned by Lola)

Now here is what I think:

if you reverse this order, you get:

1) Big Mom and Kaido appeared too late compared to other characters from this list, so expect them to be eliminated first,
2) followed by Aokiji/Kizaru (Aokiji might avoid a fight)
3) final opponents are BB/Akainu/Doflamingo

Shanks/Dragon/Mihawk wouldnt be elimitated by luffy via fighting

By now, we shouldve already heard all characters in the OP universe that are powerful enough to be heard. There shouldn't be anyone else out of the blue that's this powerful yet we still don't know about. If we haven't heard of their names, then they are probably not that famous/powerful to be remembered.
RMB that the top forces in OP are Shichibukai/Marine HQ/Yonkou/Dragon

 

[tomte]

Big Mam? kidding? so far it's impossible for Luffy to beat him. let's what will happen next. one piece 660 is coming out soon

 

[Filster]

So, I after reading todays chapter(14 dec) I just kept wondering, who is still stronger than Luffy after the 2 years. And who has Luffy supassed or is he now/still equal to?
Anyways, I wanted to know what you guys thought about it
Here's my list anyway:

Stronger than Luffy
Akainu
Aokiji
Kizaru
Mihawk "Hawk eye"
Blackbeard (Yea, he is stronger atm.)
Monkey D. Dragon
Oh, and Kaidou and Shanks

Equal to Luffy
Law
Kidd
Big Mam
Rob Lucci (Yep he also trained in the 2 years)
Jinbei

Note: I do not mean only their physical strenge, but their strenge + skill.
Usopp and Nami aren't really that much strong physically, but because of what they can do, they are much much stronger

I hardly dought Luffy is equal to Big MoM,although about the other statements your correct,i dont know about Lucci thought,Luffy progressed a long way after he defeated him... So i think hes not equal.

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Big Mam? kidding? so far it's impossible for Luffy to beat him. let's what will happen next. one piece 660 is coming out soon

and its not him,its her...

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nah I got a feeling that BB is probably the strongest of the yonkous at the moment
- Big Mom and Kaido might lose to luffy in the upcoming arcs if they end up fighting eachother
- I dont think Garp and Sengoku are stronger than luffy anymore, they are getting old, the same goes to rayleigh

I'd go with Mihawk, Doflamingo, Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, Dragon, Shanks, BB, and maybe Kaido/Big Mom (we will have to see how they fare when they show up)



- the rest known characters are equal to luffy at best

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notice the list is pretty much still old list of top shichibukai + admirals + yonkou + dragon... hasnt changed much lol and they've all been mentioned through out the serie

Mihawk/Dragon/Shanks (first arc), BB (second arc), Doflamingo (third arc), Admirals (fourth arc, *akainu was first mentioned in third arc in anime), Kaido (fifth arc), Big Mom (eighth arc, fifth arc if she is the same person mentioned by Lola)

Now here is what I think:

if you reverse this order, you get:

1) Big Mom and Kaido appeared too late compared to other characters from this list, so expect them to be eliminated first,
2) followed by Aokiji/Kizaru (Aokiji might avoid a fight)
3) final opponents are BB/Akainu/Doflamingo

Shanks/Dragon/Mihawk wouldnt be elimitated by luffy via fighting

By now, we shouldve already heard all characters in the OP universe that are powerful enough to be heard. There shouldn't be anyone else out of the blue that's this powerful yet we still don't know about. If we haven't heard of their names, then they are probably not that famous/powerful to be remembered.
RMB that the top forces in OP are Shichibukai/Marine HQ/Yonkou/Dragon

Shanks(the red-haired pirates) are currently stronger than BB,i can guarantee that.Beaucse BB wouldent wait one second to kill Shanks.Hes not that stupid...
And i think Shanks is currently the strongest pirate in the one piece world,excluding Dragon(hes no pirate)....

PS: Luffy cant take on kaidou or Big MoM yet,they arent King's of the sea for nothing dude.If you can beat a younkou after 2 years of training ,than people would train more and go out to do it....

 

[hyper_megaman]

this isn't dragonball, not everything is decided by power alone, you can't rank people in a straight line hierarchy

having seen the latest chapter, i highly doubt anyone can match law easily bar an ambush happening. law has TK control over everything in his room power range, and his room is shown to be huge now

luffy's powers are too physical based to enable him to fight law well. smoker would be able to fight law well though.

rob lucci was always stronger than luffy anyway. he's a brute strength genius, reaching 4000 douriki on brute strength alone (even gifted individuals like kaku and jyabura could only reach 2000 or thereabouts). luffy was never even close to lucci. he merely depended on gear 2nd to increase his strength momentarily at the expense of stamina.

if lucci learns haki anytime, he'd be nigh unstoppable

 

[Page356]

I'm a proponnent of Luffy being equal to Big Mam. Let's face it, there shouldn't be anymore major power ups unless Luffy gains another devil fruit ability, which although possible I personally don't believe DF powers mean too much when faced with haki, fighting ability, and brute strength. That being said, when he faces her he'll have to be able to win right? Nobody thinks, "hey, Luffy is totally gonna lose to Big Mam if and when they face" so you pretty much have to think he's totally close to her fighting level if he's gonna face her in 2-3 arcs, which should be about right if you believe that One Piece is slightly over half way complete and that Big Mam is not the main/final villain.

 

[mattiaildivino]

a lot of you are crazy,imo. forgive me,but how can you say that luffy is equal to an emperor??? emperors are the strongest pirates and it was stated that to deal with them HQ and shichibukai are needed! so goes for mihawk,he can't be stronger than an emperor,otherwise he could have stopped WB or marco by himself.

 

[UnknownMugiwara]

Just because WB was that strong doesn't mean the other emperors are that strong.. 1 Emperors strength isn't equal all emperors strengths..

 

[hyper_megaman]

a lot of you are crazy,imo. forgive me,but how can you say that luffy is equal to an emperor??? emperors are the strongest pirates and it was stated that to deal with them HQ and shichibukai are needed! so goes for mihawk,he can't be stronger than an emperor,otherwise he could have stopped WB or marco by himself.

emperors are known for their capability in keeping territories, not their fighting ability

of course fighting power would in some way influence how their crew and the general public respect them, so they would have to be decently strong, but they don't necessarily have to be top 5 or top 10 in the world

buggy could easily be an emperor now with his stupidly infatuated crew fighting in his stead. doesn't make him as strong as wb in that case, i think even usopp could beat him

 

[fcToho]

I will make it short, here's my breakdown:

stronger (there are still plenty, don't worry) (no particular order)

• Kong (don't think this will be relevant)
• Akainu
• Kizaru + 2 new Admirals
• Aokiji
• still Sengoku + Garp (won't be relevant, maybe Garp as a test)
• Dragon
• Mihawk
• Doflamingo
• Blackbeard
• Shanks
• Kaido
• Big Mom
• Magellan
• (Rayleigh)

relatively equal

• Law
• Kid
• Kuma
• Ivankov
• Hancock
• Marco
• Smoker

overcome

• Crocodile
• Rob Lucci
• Jinbei
• Moriah
• Jozu
• (generally the first mates in my eyes. debatable)
• other Vice Admirals
• other Supernovas

Don't know if I forgot someone (relevant).

So in the end, my conclusion is that the timeskip didn't help Luffy this much to become much stronger than many other pirates/marines, but more to close the gap to the top. But reaching it will fortunately only happen as the story advances.

edit:
I think the important point is, that Luffy has become equal to people like Kuma/Marco (in my eyes) but is still progressing as in the first part. So now he can win fights like against Crocodile/Rob Lucci but with contrahents as Big Mom/Magellan.
And with doing so (nearly deathmatches for him) he becomes equal/somewhat stronger.

 

[mattiaildivino]

Just because WB was that strong doesn't mean the other emperors are that strong.. 1 Emperors strength isn't equal all emperors strengths..

sure? all 3 emperors could stand him so they were more or less at the same level. As someone already said here: it can't be that between emperors there is much strength difference ,hence it can't be Emperor A >>>> Emperor B , nor Emperor A > Emperor B ,because they wouldn't be yonkous anymore,but sankous ! I could understand if they were as akainu and aokiji,equal with a winner after some days of fight,perhpas there is even a bigger difference,but surely the level is quite even.

 

[UnknownMugiwara]

As Hyper_Megaman said, they are emporers because they have conquered islands as their territories in the NW.. It doesn't have to be because of their stregth, if they have enough (more) people in their crew they would win the fight. That's what Don Creek did (however that was not in Grand line)

 

[mattiaildivino]

As Hyper_Megaman said, they are emporers because they have conquered islands as their territories in the NW.. It doesn't have to be because of their stregth, if they have enough (more) people in their crew they would win the fight. That's what Don Creek did (however that was not in Grand line)

those fodders don't matter anymore in new world,in fact against a strong enemy those fodders can't help but die,as mihawk "taught" them. and again,it's false what you said,since garp had stated that here http://www.mangareader.net/103-2539-7/one-piece/chapter-432.html . Mihawk possesses an island himself,that doesn't make him an emperor. you are mistaking the cause and the effect,imo. I mean,it's not that you are emperor because you reign,you reign because you are emperor!

 

[UnknownMugiwara]

So what you're saying is that as soon as Luffy kicks BM's ass he will become an emperor because he know has ONE island.. That's stupid, having one island doesn't make you an emperor, having ten do (depending on the number of islands in the new world.)
Also fodder does matter, 1 G-5 marine may not be strong but if you have a 1000, then they are trouble.

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Also when was it shown/stated that Mihawk has an island in the New World?

 

[Zehahaha]

Guys guys... Luffy will never have, nor even give a fuck, about the title of Yonko.
The whole notion of Yonko will disappear as soon as Luffy will defeat BM and make the balance crumble IMO. The one who wants to become PK has to break this balance and defeat those 4 to become ultimately the PK.

I think that this is how it is gonna be : Luffy will defeat BM ----> Status quo is broken, huge turmoil will happen in the NW where Marines, Pirates, all the big forces will play a part, after long and terrific battles and stuff, in which I believe, Luffy vs BB will be the final act of those fights, Luffy will emerge as the PK. Somehow, it is gonna follow nearly the same scheme as in the first half : Luffy defeated Crocodile, empty spot in the Shichibukai, which lead to BB wanting to be part of it, which lead to him giving Ace to the Marines, which eventually lead to the war and the death of WB/Ace, and the apparition of a new force called BB.

 

[mattiaildivino]

So what you're saying is that as soon as Luffy kicks BM's ass he will become an emperor because he know has ONE island.. That's stupid, having one island doesn't make you an emperor, having ten do (depending on the number of islands in the new world.)
Also fodder does matter, 1 G-5 marine may not be strong but if you have a 1000, then they are trouble.

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Also when was it shown/stated that Mihawk has an island in the New World?

where did you read these posts of mine???mihawk has got an island,but I didn't say he has got it in the NW. Furthermore,fodders are fodders,read again fishmen arc,50 thousands were defeated with a glance

 

[kkck]

Well, mihawk being comparable in strength to a yonko does not necessarily mean he has to take over territory and whatnot. He could simply not give a fuck about pirate shenanigans and take a job with the government which would give him the freedom to fight at his convenience only with people who can somehow amuse him when he is bored (say, the occasional east blue worthless pirate with a 50 ship fleet or someone he believes could be a match for his sword) while not having to bother fighting everyone he sees along the way.

As for luffy vs big mom, I don't think we have a way to know. Big mom is not necessarily as strong as WB and that is extremely important. We also have no clue whatsoever of when luffy will fight her. For all we know luffy ends up fighting her 4 arcs from now in which case it would mean he would have substantial growth from when the challenge was issued and it would make perfect sense for him to win against her. Luffy right now is insanely strong, he is not the worthless powerless rookie he was in the first part of the manga and he is going to keep getting stronger.

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where did you read these posts of mine???mihawk has got an island,but I didn't say he has got it in the NW. Furthermore,fodders are fodders,read again fishmen arc,50 thousands were defeated with a glance

Well, the 50000 fishmen who were taken out were not necessarily warriors... I don't think their strength deserved any praise beyond being stronger than the average fishmen.... Based on what we have seen, it seems like luffy is capable of taking out regular pirates worth up to 30 mil with haki (the guy who impersonated him and mr 3 for instance).... It would not be weird for grand line pirates to be stronger than individual pirates worth that much though, if I recall tashigi did mention the lot of them was trained to reflect cannon fire which is not small feat (although it does not make them beasts in any form). As luffy moves on in the new world it is likely that his conqueror's haki will not quite be enough to take out armies.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I think that there are many people in the New World who are stronger than Luffy right now. For example, the top fighters among Yonko's crew would beat Luffy with ease, just like strong captains would do. Luffy has only learned Haki which is a must-have but still developped among new world pirates.

It is just like when Luffy entered Paradise : most of the famous people there are stronger but he will surpass them all and quickly, the same way he did in the past with an exponential growth from East Blue to Marineford. He has a massive potential because of his harsh training and now he only lacks experience. New World is exactly the experience which is going to turn him from candidate to Pirate King, from middle tiers to world top fighters.

Here's a previous post on my view about 2-years training and world superpowers :
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...5-Discussion?p=2777542&viewfull=1#post2777542

 

[mattiaildivino]

@KKck,how can you compare current rufy to the one who made Mr.3 fall down 2 years ago at MF??? surely luffy has become stronger,and his conqueror's haki must have increased as well. anyway,as you pointed out,numbers don't matter when we are talking about fodders. a G-5 marine is fodder but 1000 aren't,unknownmugiwara said. I'd disagree: if you can crush (in the sense that you literally own him) a G-5 marine,1000 of the same level wouldn't be a problem,you need just some more time.

 

[Cyrs]

Big Mom's way stronger than Luffy right now. But he will get stronger and stronger, and eventually kick her ass.

Many people are stronger than Luffy, but the thing with Luffy is that he's always getting stronger. Eventually, he will be the strongest!

But for now, a few of the people stronger than Luffy are

Akainu
Aokiji
Kizaru
Sengoku
Garp

Blackbeard
Big Mom
Kaidou
Shanks

Mihawk
Doflamingo
Kuma

Dragon
Ivankov

...and others, too. But they won't be stronger than him for long. He'll be Pirate King after all, right?