That was not a feat of speed. That was just his reaction time and he still got hit wity Recipro anyway. Bakugo was able to blitz 5% Deku, something Todoroki cannot do.( Although he would still beat this version of Deku.)
That was not a feat of speed. That was just his reaction time and he still got hit wity Recipro anyway. Bakugo was able to blitz 5% Deku, something Todoroki cannot do.( Although he would still beat this version of Deku.)
Iida has much more speed than Bakugo according to the official book of characters. And Todoroki could react to that speed to avoid it, but being able to approach and touch him was another matter.
Iida has much more speed than Bakugo according to the official book of characters. And Todoroki could react to that speed to avoid it, but being able to approach and touch him was another matter.
Databooks are not applicable. See above post. They are inconsistent with feats. He only dodged the first hit of Recipro because Iida has to charge it up before he strikes.
Databooks are not applicable. See above post. They are inconsistent with feats. He only dodged the first hit of Recipro because Iida has to charge it up before he strikes.
That's a lie, Todoroki eluded him in the act, only that he needed to touch Iida and dodge while trying to achieve that was difficult for him. But Todoroki can handle that speed. So I will not allow you to discredit the author's official information.
That's a lie, Todoroki eluded him in the act, only that he needed to touch Iida and dodge while trying to achieve that was difficult for him. But Todoroki can handle that speed. So I will not allow you to discredit the author's official information.
Todoroki cannot handle that speed. Him freezing his mufflers is a seperate feat. Him dodging Recipro was due only to reaction, Todoroki getting hit by the 2nd Recipro was not apart of his plan; he was simply not fast enough to dodge it.
While I strongly disagree, I really don't see a reason to exchange ideas with you, seeing as you say there's no way you will change your fixated opinion thus making it impossible to have a proper discussion. Also, I can not view the image you attached.
I'd say todoroki would beat bakugo. Not only because of a skill gap but because in general todoroki should be a bad matchup for bakugo. Bakugo relies on sweating to create his explosions. So todoroki's ice poses a risk to bakugo's capacity to generate sweat. And fire would exacerbate it of course which wouldn't be good for todoroki but in turn its not like the advantage bakugo would get is huge. As far as we know anyways. Add to that that bakugo should be pretty vulnerable to fire anyways. I haven't seen any evidence that bakugo would be able to tolerate todoroki's temperature rise either.
I really don't understand what do you mean by a skill gap. Are you suggesting Todoroki is more skilled in using his quirk? I don't believe that, at all. In my opinion, Bakugo is more inventive using his quirk. There is also no evidence to support any kind of skill gap between them if we go by official databook. Their stats are equal except 'cooperation' which doesn't mean anything in a one-on-one fight and has nothing to do with skill.
I agree to some extent with you on Todoroki being a bad matchup for Bakugo, quirk-wise. The ice shouldn't be a problem for Bakugo since we already saw him negating Todoroki's pretty large-scale ice attack with his explosions. Unless Todoroki catches Bakugo off guard and freezes his hands instantly, which would be quite difficult considering Bakugo's reflexes. However, the long-range, large-scale fire attacks would be troublesome for Bakugo since it would make it harder to get close to Todoroki, and unlike ice, he can't negate fire without taking damage himself, in my opinion. If it's not large-scale I think Bakugo can dodge and get close. If it's large-scale to the extent it's impossible to dodge, he could negate it with a powerful attack of his own but would take damage.
While I strongly disagree, I really don't see a reason to exchange ideas with you, seeing as you say there's no way you will change your fixated opinion thus making it impossible to have a proper discussion. Also, I can not view the image you attached.
I really don't understand what do you mean by a skill gap. Are you suggesting Todoroki is more skilled in using his quirk? I don't believe that, at all. In my opinion, Bakugo is more inventive using his quirk. There is also no evidence to support any kind of skill gap between them if we go by official databook. Their stats are equal except 'cooperation' which doesn't mean anything in a one-on-one fight and has nothing to do with skill.
I agree to some extent with you on Todoroki being a bad matchup for Bakugo, quirk-wise. The ice shouldn't be a problem for Bakugo since we already saw him negating Todoroki's pretty large-scale ice attack with his explosions. Unless Todoroki catches Bakugo off guard and freezes his hands instantly, which would be quite difficult considering Bakugo's reflexes. However, the long-range, large-scale fire attacks would be troublesome for Bakugo since it would make it harder to get close to Todoroki, and unlike ice, he can't negate fire without taking damage himself, in my opinion. If it's not large-scale I think Bakugo can dodge and get close. If it's large-scale to the extent it's impossible to dodge, he could negate it with a powerful attack of his own but would take damage.
Todoroki already dodged Bakugo and freeze one of his arms instantly at the sports festival. For that reason Todoroki would defeat Bakugo if he really wanted to win.
I'd say todoroki would beat bakugo. Not only because of a skill gap but because in general todoroki should be a bad matchup for bakugo. Bakugo relies on sweating to create his explosions. So todoroki's ice poses a risk to bakugo's capacity to generate sweat. And fire would exacerbate it of course which wouldn't be good for todoroki but in turn its not like the advantage bakugo would get is huge. As far as we know anyways. Add to that that bakugo should be pretty vulnerable to fire anyways. I haven't seen any evidence that bakugo would be able to tolerate todoroki's temperature rise either.
As for deku... I'd say he is close to either but it really depends on whether his air blasts can keep the explosions or fire/ice at bay. With that he would have consistent range and power to deal with them. And given todoroki's last fight range is a must when dealing with him. Even allmight would feel some pain from that heat (though of course allmight would be able to nuke todoroki with his pinky finger from a distance).
And I will say that the Earth is flat. And don't care that this is complete shit.
What part of your body did you read manga, friend? If with eyes, then Bakugou left the ice line or broke the ice walls. Ice Gift is no problem at all for Bakugo. And Todoroki’s Fire gift cannot be used because of the explosions of Bakugou, which create a smoke screen. There is smoke = no oxygen,
no oxygen = no fire. Do you understand?
Besides Bakugo is physically stronger / faster / tougher and smarter than Todoroki which in the manga showed nothing but combat, where he stands still and spamming with ice walls / jets of fire. In fact Todoroki he has no features shown
Deku just by super speed will bypass all the attacks Todoroki and knock out his brains with a kick. That's their whole fight.
P.s 1 If you read manga with your eyes and without fanaticism you might have noticed that Todoroki is currently only in the top 6 in strength at school
yielding to this Bakugo->Deku->Kirishima~>Tetsu->Iida->current Todoroki.
P.s 2 Todoroki is a highly overrated character now and that's all
Todoroki already dodged Bakugo and freeze one of his arms instantly at the sports festival. For that reason Todoroki would defeat Bakugo if he really wanted to win.
Todoroki cannot handle that speed. Him freezing his mufflers is a seperate feat. Him dodging Recipro was due only to reaction, Todoroki getting hit by the 2nd Recipro was not apart of his plan; he was simply not fast enough to dodge it.
While I strongly disagree, I really don't see a reason to exchange ideas with you, seeing as you say there's no way you will change your fixated opinion thus making it impossible to have a proper discussion. Also, I can not view the image you attached.
I really don't understand what do you mean by a skill gap. Are you suggesting Todoroki is more skilled in using his quirk? I don't believe that, at all. In my opinion, Bakugo is more inventive using his quirk. There is also no evidence to support any kind of skill gap between them if we go by official databook. Their stats are equal except 'cooperation' which doesn't mean anything in a one-on-one fight and has nothing to do with skill.
I agree to some extent with you on Todoroki being a bad matchup for Bakugo, quirk-wise. The ice shouldn't be a problem for Bakugo since we already saw him negating Todoroki's pretty large-scale ice attack with his explosions. Unless Todoroki catches Bakugo off guard and freezes his hands instantly, which would be quite difficult considering Bakugo's reflexes. However, the long-range, large-scale fire attacks would be troublesome for Bakugo since it would make it harder to get close to Todoroki, and unlike ice, he can't negate fire without taking damage himself, in my opinion. If it's not large-scale I think Bakugo can dodge and get close. If it's large-scale to the extent it's impossible to dodge, he could negate it with a powerful attack of his own but would take damage.
Quite frankly I've always seen bakugo's quirk as a straight up inferior version of todoroki's. Bakugo's quirk is basically to aggressively sweat at his enemies. It's fun-ish but overall todoroki should be able to do most of the stuff bakugo can with none of the drawbacks and of course no need of further support. In terms of sheer firepower, there is no way bakugo is even comparable to todoroki. Sure, bakugo has his gauntlets to help him out but todoroki has nothing but options in that regard. The explosion he used against midoriya, his fire when using 100%...
Overall, todoroki is a broken character quirk wise who loses solely because the author keeps nerfing him. He lost to bakugo solely because he didn't even want to fight against him, he just didn't care. Then the stuff with the wind guy at the license thing... And during the recent matchups the author straight up mocks us by having some asshole say "we would have been screwed if you had opened with your fire". And then todoroki spent the rest of the fight fighting tetsu, literally the one person there he couldn't one shot. Todoroki has never once in the series been impeded by the opponents skills. The author is forced to continually have stuff inside todoroki's head hold him back so that he doesn't prance around one owning everyone.
Quite frankly I've always seen bakugo's quirk as a straight up inferior version of todoroki's. Bakugo's quirk is basically to aggressively sweat at his enemies.
aggressively sweat at his enemies. that actually made me laugh
Ok, but seriously, I think you couldn't be more wrong about your first statement. I would like to see Todoroki propel himself forward with Bakugo's acceleration/have the air maneuvrability Bakugo has/have the penetrative force of Bakugo's ap shot/make an auto-cannon with his flames. Their quirks may look similar in some aspects but are fundamentally soo different.
Quite frankly I've always seen bakugo's quirk as a straight up inferior version of todoroki's. Bakugo's quirk is basically to aggressively sweat at his enemies. It's fun-ish but overall todoroki should be able to do most of the stuff bakugo can with none of the drawbacks and of course no need of further support. In terms of sheer firepower, there is no way bakugo is even comparable to todoroki. Sure, bakugo has his gauntlets to help him out but todoroki has nothing but options in that regard. The explosion he used against midoriya, his fire when using 100%...
Overall, todoroki is a broken character quirk wise who loses solely because the author keeps nerfing him. He lost to bakugo solely because he didn't even want to fight against him, he just didn't care. Then the stuff with the wind guy at the license thing... And during the recent matchups the author straight up mocks us by having some asshole say "we would have been screwed if you had opened with your fire". And then todoroki spent the rest of the fight fighting tetsu, literally the one person there he couldn't one shot. Todoroki has never once in the series been impeded by the opponents skills. The author is forced to continually have stuff inside todoroki's head hold him back so that he doesn't prance around one owning everyone.
aggressively sweat at his enemies. that actually made me laugh
Ok, but seriously, I think you couldn't be more wrong about your first statement. I would like to see Todoroki propel himself forward with Bakugo's acceleration/have the air maneuvrability Bakugo has/have the penetrative force of Bakugo's ap shot/make an auto-cannon with his flames. Their quirks may look similar in some aspects but are fundamentally soo different.
I'd say todoroki's quirk is actually even more suited for propelling than todoroki's. Todoroki has two issues in that regard though: One is that he probably still lacks the training on his fire side for that. The other is that only half his body uses fire so its not exactly a "stable" power. Todoroki's best case scenario would most likely be combining his fire and ice for more mobility. Say, doing what he did to move in the first round of the UA games except that using his fire side to propel himself. That said, it is true that at least currently bakugo is the faster and more agile one.
As far as penetrative power... wouldn't what we saw with endeavor prove that todoroki can have quite a bit of that if he sets his mind to it? Endeavor turned an entire building into confetti using his quirk. At a minimum, todoroki should have at least the potential for that. Even if todoroki can't do that right now, if he develops his fire side he wouldn't lose against bakugo when it comes to penetrative power in the long run.
Of course, the quirks are different, I am not going to argue with that. But for the most part there is very little bakugo can do with his quirk that wouldn't be viable with todoroki's fire half.
aggressively sweat at his enemies. that actually made me laugh
Ok, but seriously, I think you couldn't be more wrong about your first statement. I would like to see Todoroki propel himself forward with Bakugo's acceleration/have the air maneuvrability Bakugo has/have the penetrative force of Bakugo's ap shot/make an auto-cannon with his flames. Their quirks may look similar in some aspects but are fundamentally soo different.
I'd say todoroki's quirk is actually even more suited for propelling than todoroki's. Todoroki has two issues in that regard though: One is that he probably still lacks the training on his fire side for that. The other is that only half his body uses fire so its not exactly a "stable" power. Todoroki's best case scenario would most likely be combining his fire and ice for more mobility. Say, doing what he did to move in the first round of the UA games except that using his fire side to propel himself. That said, it is true that at least currently bakugo is the faster and more agile one.
As far as penetrative power... wouldn't what we saw with endeavor prove that todoroki can have quite a bit of that if he sets his mind to it? Endeavor turned an entire building into confetti using his quirk. At a minimum, todoroki should have at least the potential for that. Even if todoroki can't do that right now, if he develops his fire side he wouldn't lose against bakugo when it comes to penetrative power in the long run.
Of course, the quirks are different, I am not going to argue with that. But for the most part there is very little bakugo can do with his quirk that wouldn't be viable with todoroki's fire half.
Ok but Todoroki is not the only who is going to improve his penetrative power. Bakugo can already destroy buildings with his quirk, and in his most recent fight with Deku at the begging of the fight, his casual blasts were much larger than the buildings they were fighting near.
Ok but Todoroki is not the only who is going to improve his penetrative power. Bakugo can already destroy buildings with his quirk, and in his most recent fight with Deku at the begging of the fight, his casual blasts were much larger than the buildings they were fighting near.
That's not my posts point. I was wrote my post in reply to someone comparing the penetrative power bakugo already has compared to todoroki. And my point was that that was something which todoroki could likely replicate to some capacity with his own quirk (which goes back to my point that todoroki's fire can likely do most of what bakugo's explosions do).
That's not my posts point. I was wrote my post in reply to someone comparing the penetrative power bakugo already has compared to todoroki. And my point was that that was something which todoroki could likely replicate to some capacity with his own quirk (which goes back to my point that todoroki's fire can likely do most of what bakugo's explosions do).
That's simply not true. Todoroki's fire side can do everuthing endeavor can do and we have seen endeavor maintain altitude through basically jet propulsion. The only limitation shoto would have in that regard is that only one half of his quirk can use fire. Todoroki's quirk overall has insane potential when it comes to mobility, shoto simply does not use it that way.
Todoroki most definitely cannot do everything Endeavor can do. Potentially yes, currently no, and even then Bakugo would still be more skilled. And no, his fire side would not give him better mobility than Bakugo. It is stated by endeavor that he can only float with his quirk. He cannot change direction quickly in mid-air like Bakugo or even fly.
Todoroki does not have Jet Burn. Let's not make up abilities. And Bakugo and Deku would tank his version of the attack anyway( If it even hits them)
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Ok but Todoroki is not the only who is going to improve his penetrative power. Bakugo can already destroy buildings with his quirk, and in his most recent fight with Deku at the begging of the fight, his casual blasts were much larger than the buildings they were fighting near.
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. And don't care that this is complete shit.
If with eyes, then Bakugou left the ice line or broke the ice walls. Ice Gift is no problem at all for Bakugo. And Todoroki’s Fire gift cannot be used because of the explosions of Bakugou, which create a smoke screen. There is smoke = no oxygen,
, and Bakugou became even stronger.
