Who will be next Admiral?

[Asarii]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

Initially I thought that Akainu picked his best buddies (or at least those with the same convictions as him) to become an Admiral, but the latest chapter and other actions revealed that Fujitora is both new to the Marines and doesn't follow Absolute Justice.

Green Bull is still a mystery at this point. Perhaps s/he will be the one who will share a more similar worldview as Akainu.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

Initially I thought that Akainu picked his best buddies (or at least those with the same convictions as him) to become an Admiral, but the latest chapter and other actions revealed that Fujitora is both new to the Marines and doesn't follow Absolute Justice.

Green Bull is still a mystery at this point. Perhaps s/he will be the one who will share a more similar worldview as Akainu.

Akainu has friends? I think there are only people who either dislike or tolerate him

First a quote of Beatrice that depicts something rather interesting

An Oda Drawing:

Mifune Toshiro with Bull Horns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiro_Mifune

This drawing was included in volume 70 and depicts Mifune Toshiro, probably the most renown Japanese actor. His collaborations with Kurosawa Akira are his most famous movies, including Rashomon, Seven Samurai, Yojimbo The Hidden Fortress and The Bad Sleep Well, except the Samurai Trilogy. Considering that all the Admirals´appearance and, to a certain extent, their personality is based on famous actors in their most popular role, this drawing is somewhat interesting. It is also peculiar that Oda drew Mifune with horns and now introduced a character named Ryokugyuu (Green Bull).
Another interesting fact is that there is a movie in the Zatoichi series called "Zatoichi meets Yojimbo" in which both Shintaro Katsu (Zatoichi) and Mifune (Yojimbo) play side by side. In the movie, Zatoichi is hired by a rich merchant while Yojimbo is hired by the son of said merchant. Considering that Fujitora and Ryokugyuu were both conscripted by the Marines, it could be a parallel, at least somewhat. Furthermore, one of the gang leaders Yojimbo tricks in the 1961 movie is called Ushitora, which consists of ox/bull and tiger.

Considering all that, it is not unlikely that Mifune is really going to be the inspiration for the newest Admiral Ryokugyuu. The thing with Mifune is though that he has way more than one memorable role. I mean, Shintaro Katsu was pretty much Zatoichi, Yusaku Matsuda´s (Aokiji) most remembered role is the detective Shunsaku Kudo in Tantei Monogatari, Bunta Sugawara often played the same type of character that personality-wise resembles Akainu and of course Kunie Tanaka as Borsalino in Truck Yaro.
Mifune on the other hand has so many memorable roles that are sometimes so different. The calculative and smart Ronin Yojimbo Sanjuro, the naive, goofy but lovable, wannabe samurai Kikuchiyo in Seven Samurai, the bandit in Rashomon, the master swordsman Musashi in the Samurai Trilogy and so forth but if that drawing should really be a hint of the Ryokugyuu´s design, it´s probably Yojimbo.

 

[Beatrice]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

I'll be going with Kizaru being no Admiral anymore or maybe won't be in future if he still is.

Let's go with the current Admirals.
Fujitora
Ryokuyguu
Kizaru

Nothing wrong here but it's the colors.
Purple
Green
Yellow

There are 3 Primary Colors.
Red,Blue and Yellow.
Red Dog
Blue Pheasant
Yellow Monkey

However, Fujitora and Ryokugyuu have names with Secondary Colors.
Purple and Green.
Red + Blue - Purple
Blue + Yellow - Green

It only makes sense that the 3rd General would follow this order thus:
Yellow + Red - Orange

Pre Timeskip - Blue,Red and Yellow
Post Timeskip - Purple,Green and Orange

It started with the Primary Colors then it became to two Secondary and 1 Primary?

So I go with:
Post Timeskip Admirals:
Purple Tiger
Green Bull
Orange ???

Besides, if we look at Orange, the color that is not included = Blue which reminds me how Aokiji is no part of the Marines.

 

[Ninomiya]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

I gotta say thanks for the eye-opener there MiyamotoMusashi, keeps me on my toes for Oda's works.
Everything this man does can be referenced. Its truly amazing.

I'd say that Kizaru hasn't quit the Marines. If he's no longer an Admiral, I'd say that he has become like Garp and Sengoku and has stayed with the Marines and is just pursuing a very backseat role. Why would Oda have somebody as powerful as Kizaru no longer on the Marines side?

If I was a pirate, any news that Kizaru quit the Marines for me personally is just a massive incentive to become an even better pirate because there is no longer someone as beastly as him trying to kill people like me.

@eefrit, I was thinking to myself the other day that a Wood Logia is missing from the One Piece series.
I don't think a Standard Zoan would work for an Admiral.
He'd need to be a Mythical Zoan imo. How good can a Standard Zoan be at the Admiral level in strength honestly?

 

[llaubacher]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

I gotta say thanks for the eye-opener there MiyamotoMusashi, keeps me on my toes for Oda's works.
Everything this man does can be referenced. Its truly amazing.

I'd say that Kizaru hasn't quit the Marines. If he's no longer an Admiral, I'd say that he has become like Garp and Sengoku and has stayed with the Marines and is just pursuing a very backseat role. Why would Oda have somebody as powerful as Kizaru no longer on the Marines side?

If I was a pirate, any news that Kizaru quit the Marines for me personally is just a massive incentive to become an even better pirate because there is no longer someone as beastly as him trying to kill people like me.

@eefrit, I was thinking to myself the other day that a Wood Logia is missing from the One Piece series.
I don't think a Standard Zoan would work for an Admiral.
He'd need to be a Mythical Zoan imo. How good can a Standard Zoan be at the Admiral level in strength honestly?

Standard.. What about Green Bull being Zoan fruit? Make it Mythical. Make it freaking Minotaur. That is a bull too. Yohohoho!

 

[Dekker]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

@Airgrimes: Garp never had eaten a fruit and was admiral level in his prime. Maybe he still is, we have actually never really seen him fight for real. Why would a "standard" zoan not suffice?

 

[Ninomiya]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

Standard.. What about Green Bull being Zoan fruit? Make it Mythical. Make it freaking Minotaur. That is a bull too. Yohohoho!

I like the sound of a Minotaur, however, Oda wasted that idea with his Awakened Zoan idea.
The Awakened Zoan thing is so far the only 100% Waste of a DF and waste of possible animals in the series so far by Oda.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Minotaurus

This guy had zero epicness to him. Minotaur is taken now

@Airgrimes: Garp never had eaten a fruit and was admiral level in his prime. Maybe he still is, we have actually never really seen him fight for real. Why would a "standard" zoan not suffice?

Well, Monkey D Garp was competing with Gol D Roger for decades. When the Pirate King is your rival, its a different situation.
So far in the series, Garp is just an unbelievable exception since there are no Marines at the Admiral level without a Devil Fruit besides him.

Out of the Vice-Admirals, there are only 2 Zoans in Vice-Admiral Dalmatian and Vice-Admiral Onigumo.

Standard Zoan in the series so far has not been used by anybody from the Admiral level upwards just yet.
Just think, the strongest Zoan users in the Marines as far as we know are Onigumo and Dalmatian. They're awesome sure, but I can't see an ordinary Animal performing the same collateral damage that Kizaru, Aokiji and Akainu easily do.

I'm expecting a Mythical Zoan or Ancient Zoan if we're getting a Zoan. I don't see a Standard Zoan happening.

Depending on whether or not Kizaru quit the Admiral role or not, I expect this new Admiral to have either a Mythical/Ancient Zoan or a Paramecia like Admiral Issho.

 

[Ninomiya]

I think the next admiral will have either green or orange - secondary color like purple.

Well there you go M3J.
We got Green Bull as the codename for the next Admiral.

I can only assume he was either a Vice-Admiral who was in New World at the time of the War, or simply an extremely powerful ally of Sakazuki who had no allegiance to the Marines like Issho and just isn't really a fan of pirates.

 

[llaubacher]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

I like the sound of a Minotaur, however, Oda wasted that idea with his Awakened Zoan idea.
The Awakened Zoan thing is so far the only 100% Waste of a DF and waste of possible animals in the series so far by Oda.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Minotaurus

This guy had zero epicness to him. Minotaur is taken now

Oi, oi, don't you frown here, bro.

Have you come across one interesting theory here on this forum? I can not find who wrote it and where, but his/her idea was that "Awakened Fruits" are just ones which took control over user's body. I share that opinion now, it is better than no explanation so far. These fruits were Zoan, must have given you Animal DNA, thus these prison ones were weak willed people/beings that lost "fight" with their fruit. Fruit's demon (as mentioned by Jyabura) took them over, they became animals forever. This Awakened Minotaur.. Minotaur, as for me, is animal from Greece and Roman Mythology (might have the nations wrong) and thus should be rendered Mythical Zoan. I doubt that Oda would just miss this fruit/creature out or give it to such unimportant character. Hence there still is a chance. At least for me! The thing in Impel Down could be a something similar to Dalton, in fruit's case - another type of cow, or a bison, whatever.. it just turned out to this.

Let's hope. Minotaur Admiral would be freaking cool! Or are there any other cows/bulls as famous as Minotaur?

 

[Duc :D]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

unlike Shichibukai, Yonkou, Gorusei there is no "definition" of how many people have to be admirals, so it could be 4 admirals, as well.

Kizaru is btw 100% still an admiral as shown in Z.

 

[llaubacher]

We got Green Bull as the codename for the next Admiral.

I can only assume he was either a Vice-Admiral who was in New World at the time of the War, or simply an extremely powerful ally of Sakazuki who had no allegiance to the Marines like Issho and just isn't really a fan of pirates.

It was stated by Donquixote Doflamingo that both, Fujitora and Ryukogyuu, were given the rank of Admiral through world-wide marine enlistment. Both were also said to be reasonable power-houses. (:

 

[hoeru]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

unlike Shichibukai, Yonkou, Gorusei there is no "definition" of how many people have to be admirals, so it could be 4 admirals, as well.

Kizaru, Akainu and Aokiji were references as "Three Admirals"/"San Taishou" in the manga at least twice. First time by Robin on Long Ring Long Land, and several times in Marineford. For example, after blocking Whitebeard's attack that took out John Giant.

In addition: 3 is one of the numbers in One Piece that shows up regularly... Like in "Three Powers" (Shichibukai, Marine HQ, Yonkou), and even small like the tomoe on Enel's drums.

There's more pointing towards there's 3 admirals than any else number.

 

[Ninomiya]

Re: Predictions for the new/current admirals?

Kizaru, Akainu and Aokiji were references as "Three Admirals"/"San Taishou" in the manga at least twice. First time by Robin on Long Ring Long Land, and several times in Marineford. For example, after blocking Whitebeard's attack that took out John Giant.

In addition: 3 is one of the numbers in One Piece that shows up regularly... Like in "Three Powers" (Shichibukai, Marine HQ, Yonkou), and even small like the tomoe on Enel's drums.

There's more pointing towards there's 3 admirals than any else number.

Its still a valid possibility that there could be more than 3 Admirals though. While its most likely going to remain as 3.
Like how there is no required number for how many Supernovas or Vice Admirals that can exist, it alld epends on whether or not there are a certain amount of people strong enough at that time perhaps?

If Fujitora was a Marine before Sakazuki invited him to the Marines, he would probably have been made Admiral too maybe?

 

[Ninomiya]

It was stated by Donquixote Doflamingo that both, Fujitora and Ryukogyuu, were given the rank of Admiral through world-wide marine enlistment. Both were also said to be reasonable power-houses. (:

What did that even mean honestly bro?
World-Wide Marine Enlistment?

 

[llaubacher]

What did that even mean honestly bro?
World-Wide Marine Enlistment?

I am not the one to explain English terms, really but..

You know, Marines gained people because the people willed to join them, so they went, "applied" and joined/got in - most likely it worked out like this I hope.
Enlistment, on the other hand, is absolutely different kind of joining. I'd say there are two possible ways. Either marines make an announcement about opened-recruitment and people come to join/apply for Navy - must fit some conditions I suppose - but this whole would fit in the first sentence I wrote.. or, and that probably was the case this time.. Marines roamed the World, looking for all non-pirate and non-revolutionary people capable of fighting and gave them an opinion, either join us against your will, or do not join us at your will but become our enemy. When countries recruited young man to army it was obligatory, those who cheated were condemned later.

So this Enlistment = looking for capable people + obligatory joining, you could not refuse when asked. Fujitora and Ryogukyuu were, with their powers, both on the Admiral level, which is rather magnificent that netrual people with such power live in One Piece world.

I can not guarantee the correctness of my statement above, nor do I think I made it clear for you as I suck in explanining things. If it did not help, I hope someone else smart enough knows it and will explain it to us.

 

[David Rose]

I don't know if this has been discussed earlier, but when i think about this whole topic, there is one analogy, that seems possible to me aswell:

For now we have the concept of the Admirals beeing namend by their logia powers. But since the former 3 Admirals all had Logias i came to theory that all kinda started with this page:

Spoiler

I don't know if this is the most exact translation, but what i understand from it is that the new Admirals receive some kind of "training" or initiation from the fleet admiral. This plus the fact that it's really kinda handy that 3 of the most powerful logias were in the hands of the admirals, plus the statement from Fujitora that he was just testing his powers could aswell mean that he wasn't drafted without, but for it.

That could also mean, that the WG, or the Marines are gathering powerful DFs on their own and hand them out to their most formidable soldiers. Along this theory Fujitora could have been a formidable and just fighter in his prime and was the perfect candidate for this very reason, his new ability even negating his ultimate weakness.

Or he simply wanted to see how Law and DD would react to a formal greeting :P

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

It´s not the best translation and that statement was not referring to some kind of training regarding powers but simply regarding the behavior as Marine.
DD practically says that the Fleet Admiral did not train him very well since his attack also endangered DD, one of his allies.

 

[cachaco99]

we had - red dog, yellow monkey, and blue pheasant and these were the animals from the momotaro story and they were all primary colors. now we have purple tiger, and green bull so the third admiral should be orange something since purple, orage and green are all secondary colors. if we can find a common link between tiger and bull in any story we might know what animal the ?orange? admiral might have unless kizaru is still there as an admiral

 

[EddyBob15]

Hey, I discovered something. It turns out that tigers and bulls are connected to the story of Momotaro.

 

[Schabrak]

Hey, I discovered something. It turns out that tigers and bulls are connected to the story of Momotaro.

The story of Momotaro may be related to the old believes of the onmyodo 陰陽道　Yin-Yang Worldview. The direction of bad influence, kimon, is in the ushi-tora (bull tiger) direction. So one of the demons Momotaro is fighting has horns and the other wears a tiger skin.
And the Monkey, Dog and Pheasant are animals in the zodiac, in the opposite heavenly direction from the kimon　鬼門.

It seems that the oposite theme is a "tad" different in Oda's story. While the first trio seems to have been marines from early on, those two new ones are seemingly drafted at old age and therefore might have their own morals and mind, being able to oppose order to some degree.

now we have purple tiger, and green bull so the third admiral should be orange something since purple, orage and green are all secondary colors. if we can find a common link between tiger and bull in any story we might know what animal the ?orange? admiral might have unless kizaru is still there as an admiral

While the tiger and bull have something in common with the pheasant, dog and monkey, nothing indicates there to be a third animal or even a reason for Kizaru to resign and open a spot for a orange themed character. While the morals/ideals/justices of red and yellow and blue and yellow might be able to mix, red and blue would repel each other Imo.